Have you ever had a negligent discharge?

With M4, once. At range at Stone Bay (Lejeune), they called cease fire, open/lock and show clear. I pulled the charging handle, like @JBoyette , I was beat and not paying attention, half-assed it. I had the muzzle pointed up about 45 degrees toward downrange, pulled the trigger. Loudest sound I have ever heard...BAM! I felt like utter dogsh**.
 
RedneckFur said:
By keeping up on your maintenance and not making reckless mods to firearms, the "guns fault" discharges can be virtually eliminated. "Guns fault" discharges are rare, and often lead to recalls.

If your gun malfunctions because you don't maintain it, or due to reckless modifications, its still your fault.



"There are two kinds of drivers. Those who have run over someone's child in a school zone, and those who will" ND's are preventable
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"There are two kinds of drivers. Those who have driven into a crowd of pedestrians and those who will" More likely: "There are two kinds of drivers: those who have been involved in a driving accident and those who will" That's a better comparison. All motor vehicle accident are preventable but they still happen.
 
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I have a Springfield V10 that would fire with the safety on. Springfield was very quick to repair that.

I don’t wish on anyone to have an AD/ND, but it looks like a lot of these were caused by complacency.
 
Tim said:
I killed a TV with my Ruger SP101 after swapping Wolff springs. That’s the purely “you’re an idiot and should be locked up” example.

I picked up a shotgun off the table in a 3 gun match and broke a shot into the dirt at my feet. Turned to the RSO (@jjwestbrook ) and I just said, “guess I’ll go home now”. He concurred.
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i had forgotten about that
 
had one in a match 3 gun nation nationals no less had turned the shotgun upside down and was loading shells during a stage when a shell in a holder on my belt contacted the trigger . gun fired in a safe direction impacting the dirt about 10 ft in front of me. I was DQ'd only because it happened while reloading the gun .
 
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rms2324 said:
Embarrassing but I personally have, yes. When I was brand spankin’ new to guns, first week I bought a Glock 17. Few days after I had it, decided to clean it after the range. I dropped the mag, pointed the gun at the wall to pull the trigger for a dry fire, and BANG. As you can imagine, scared shitless. Only by chance did I not blow my hand off/kill myself. I had powder burns/residue on my fingers, that’s how close the muzzle was.

Looking back on it, I’m glad it happened. It hammered into me the fundamentals I should’ve been familiar. If it didn’t happen, who knows how or when I would’ve hurt myself or someone else in the future due to my negligence.

Today, I rack the slide and check the chamber an obnoxious amount of times. I’m trash at a lot of stuff but gun safety is now something I practice religiously.

(I know my negligence could’ve killed me or someone else, please don’t reiterate that. Hopefully this can be an educational thread)
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Mine was very similar... Glock 17 through 3 sheet rock, a door, and a bathroom mirror and lodged in a wall in grandpa's room. Happened almost exactly like yours except it was a gold dot 147gr. I dug 3 pieces out of the wall and kept em in a shot glass by my bench as a reminder. I was dumb and dumber that day.
 
Didnt read thru all this thread so somebody may have already said this but, there are two kinds of people in this (shooting) world. Those who have had an AD and those that are going to.
 
Not yet but I have seen a couple and had customers from work shoot themselves through negligence. I was at the apartment a day after a guy shot himself in the thigh with an AR10. The amount of blood he lost on the floor should have killed him. Landlord called him while he was in the hospital and tild him he had 5 days to vacate.

I was teaching an employee to shoot and gun safety. He fired a shot into the ground in front of his foot to see if it was empty. Boy was not very bright.

I’ve put 3.5lb ghost connectors in my Glocks and thats the only mods ever. I would assume Glock had a 5lb trigger for safety and most likely changing it was the wrong thing to do. I’m sure manufacturers know what is best for making a gun safe.
 
That 3.5# connector will get you if you have other glocks with the std 5#.
 
AD or ND, you be the judge:

About 15 years ago I had a .22LR handgun that had extraction issues. Every 3rd or 4th shot, the empty casing would not extract. I decided to work on the claw of the extractor to get a better grip on the rim. It extracted 100% of the time when I hand cycled, though. I assumed that the expanded brass made it more difficult to extract.

So one day I decided to fix the problem and I would file the extractor a bit, reinstall it and shoot it to see if I fixed it. After 4 or 5 attempts to fix the issue I got impatient because it would hand cycle fine but not when firing.

So I removed the firing pin to prevent an ND and got aggressive with the claw. After some filing and with no firing pin, I would simulate firing by grasping the slide and pulling it back hard to simulate firing and letting the slide go by itself. I did this fast cycling 5 or 6 times when the gun went off!

I was indoors with the gun aimed at the base of my wall. The bullet went thru the dry wall and thru the outside siding and into the ground. My 2 dogs were stunned and barking and I was shaken up with my ears ringing. My hands shook for hours after that happened. I was stunned and surprised and confused. How could my gun fire with no firing pin in it? After a while it occurred to me that the hard, rapid cycling caused the slide to pull a new round into the rim of an unextracted round. Being a rim fire, it set off the round in the chamber. Only thing I can think of.

So, AD or ND? I did everything right with the handling and removing the firing pin and still had it fire when it shouldn't have.
 
Once with my new AK47 rifle, did not push the safety lever up all the way, my finger slid to the trigger and sent one round ten feet into the dirt,
I was the only one at the range that day. Once at Battery Oaks, clearing my Taurus Spectrum, had one round in the chamber when I fired one round into the dirt three feet in front of me.
 
larryh1108 said:
AD or ND, you be the judge:

About 15 years ago I had a .22LR handgun that had extraction issues. Every 3rd or 4th shot, the empty casing would not extract. I decided to work on the claw of the extractor to get a better grip on the rim. It extracted 100% of the time when I hand cycled, though. I assumed that the expanded brass made it more difficult to extract.

So one day I decided to fix the problem and I would file the extractor a bit, reinstall it and shoot it to see if I fixed it. After 4 or 5 attempts to fix the issue I got impatient because it would hand cycle fine but not when firing.

So I removed the firing pin to prevent an ND and got aggressive with the claw. After some filing and with no firing pin, I would simulate firing by grasping the slide and pulling it back hard to simulate firing and letting the slide go by itself. I did this fast cycling 5 or 6 times when the gun went off!

I was indoors with the gun aimed at the base of my wall. The bullet went thru the dry wall and thru the outside siding and into the ground. My 2 dogs were stunned and barking and I was shaken up with my ears ringing. My hands shook for hours after that happened. I was stunned and surprised and confused. How could my gun fire with no firing pin in it? After a while it occurred to me that the hard, rapid cycling caused the slide to pull a new round into the rim of an unextracted round. Being a rim fire, it set off the round in the chamber. Only thing I can think of.

So, AD or ND? I did everything right with the handling and removing the firing pin and still had it fire when it shouldn't have.
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Not gonna put a name to it but that one was definitely your doing. You had live ammo in it while you were smithing it. not a good practice in general.
 
"Been squirrel hunting. I went to lower the hammer manually and it slipped"


When my wife was young she got her hands on her dad's .38 snubby. She ended up getting the hammer cocked. Then she didn't know how to lower it back to the way it was. She shot the toaster.

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As a rider, I hear this a lot:
"For motorcyclists, there are those that have crashed, and those that WILL crash." Or some variation.

I really don't like this attitude, because I feel with good training, and constant learning and skill improvement along with sober and aggressive decision making, someone can go their whole lives without crashing. I know this to be true as I have met several, and some with hundreds of thousands of miles riding.

But the reality is: If you ride a lot of miles, it's likely at some point you will have a meeting with the ground, however minor or major.


If you start training hard and shooting thousands of rounds a year (some pros shoot 50,000+, and many competitors at least 10,000/yr) the chances of you being perfect get lower and lower.
 
Not yet, luckily but it is on my mind because I carry daily and have to remove it every time I walk into the building so plenty of holstering and unholstering. I try to go slow and pay attention so far so good.
 
fieldgrade said:
I’ve mentioned this before, but I know two master class match pistol shooters who have had epic NDs.

One put four 9mm holes in one leg with one shot on a bobbled draw on the clock.

The other friend put five .45acp holes in himself with one shot. (The last hole in his big toe after passing through his thigh (in and out) then his calf (in and out).

If you think it can’t/won't happen to you, well....
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I guarantee that will never happen to me. All this is saying is that "master class" doesn't guarantee that they always handle guns properly. We can be thankful they only shot themselves.
 
James said:
I guarantee that will never happen to me. All this is saying is that "master class" doesn't guarantee that they always handle guns properly. We can be thankful they only shot themselves.
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Really fast shooters trying to go faster. Sometimes you blow the engine at the dragstrip.
 
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fieldgrade said:
Really fast shooters trying to go faster. Sometimes you blow the engine at the dragstrip.
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Pulling the trigger while the gun is still coming out of the holster/aimed at your leg is more like driving over your crew chief as opposed to blowing the engine. It sounds like they were looking for a tenth of a second in the wrong place.

Did they both fully recover?
 
draco88 said:
Yes.
Reinforced the need to not be complacent.
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Amen!!! Dry firing my G20 in the basement, wife yelled something slapped the loaded mag back in (didn’t charge) came back and started dry firing again and racked the slide too far back..... BOOMMMMMMMM!!! went though a box of junk stuff then though the table ricochet off the cement block and into another piece of wood...
Now only my carry gun is loaded and everything and I mean everything is unloaded......damn it was scary
 
James said:
Pulling the trigger while the gun is still coming out of the holster/aimed at your leg is more like driving over your crew chief as opposed to blowing the engine. It sounds like they were looking for a tenth of a second in the wrong place.

Did they both fully recover?
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Yup. Great guys. I enjoy shooting with them. Though I am not interested in speed enough to put holes in my legs.

In fact, I am running my EDC tomorrow exactly like I carry it, like IDPA was intended. You can only run a G43 but so fast due to slow reloads due to big meathooks
 
fieldgrade said:
Yup. Great guys. I enjoy shooting with them. Though I am not interested in speed enough to put holes in my legs.

In fact, I am running my EDC tomorrow exactly like I carry it, like IDPA was intended. You can only run a G43 but so fast due to slow reloads due to big meathooks
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Ha...glad you enjoy that gun so much. I have been tempted to try mine in uspsa just to see what I could with it under a little pressure. Good luck!

Also glad your friends recovered!
 
James said:
Ha...glad you enjoy that gun so much. I have been tempted to try mine in uspsa just to see what I could with it under a little pressure. Good luck!

Also glad your friends recovered!
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They run the Buccaneer match now with mags limited to six rounds due to ammo shortage. I figured that is. perfect. to shoot a BUG gun. I shot 14th out of 58 last month and pretty much everyone else was running a full sized gun. That 6 round mag requirement really leveled the playing field.

There will be some real fast shooters at H20 tomorrow so I won’t place as well, but with +2 mag extensions like I carry it I can run it in CCP division and actually compete.
 
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James said:
I guarantee that will never happen to me. All this is saying is that "master class" doesn't guarantee that they always handle guns properly. We can be thankful they only shot themselves.
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gau-ron-tee huh? I don't know you so all I can go on is a first impression, but you sound a bit too sure of yourself.
 
RedneckFur said:
If your gun malfunctions because you don't maintain it, or due to reckless modifications, its still your fault.
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I may have the exception to that one.

I bought a PMR30 off somebody, not long after they came out. I was in awe of the trigger on a low-end, plastic production pistol. Until one day I racked a round into the chamber in front of the safe, and BANG, hole in the TV stand, down into the baseboard and somewhere in the crawl space. Ran into the guy I picked it up from later, and he asked me if I liked his previously undisclosed trigger job. That wretched piece of crap later blew up like a plastic firecracker in mine and my cousin's face. I learned a few things with that pistol, the second most important being that I absolutely need to be nigh about dead from an attack to touch off a round of 22 Magnum in a damned closet.

Had a ND with a Buckmark. Just got it, forgot the safety was opposite a MKII and put it in the passenger seat while I ran out real quick. Slammed on brakes to avoid an accident, Buckmark slid forward, I instinctively grabbed it, and fired a round right into my passenger seat.
 
James said:
If you are walking around thinking it is an eventuality that you will shoot yourself in the leg, you might want to look into some instruction. Not everybody shoots holes in their walls and far fewer shoot themselves in the leg. Sorry.
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You inferred all that from 2 words? Forgive me, I forgot you can see the future
 
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rms2324 said:
It’s never a fun experience. If I’m reading this right, you laid it on your lap and without any trigger activation, the gun went off? If so that’s a completely accidental discharge, no negligence on your part.

Either way, glad you’re okay
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The only thing negligent is that he'd been effing with the trigger himself.
 
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