Help....with RS Regulate ak mount

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Got a Full length mount ak303 mount and a new Riley Defense Ak.
Umm..it ain't fitting.
I was pretty sure I double check that this was the correct mount. Any ideas? I am a newbie to Aks.

DS
 
Loosen the hex bolt at the bottom of the mount until you're able to slide it in with the QD lever unlatched/raised up. Then tighten it one face turn (1/6 of a revolution because hex bolt) at a time until it latches on snugly when the lever is pressed in, but can still be lifted up to take the mount off the rifle.
 
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And yes...i have the lever in the open position...

DS
 
Not slip at all....it seems to me it ain't quit wide enough.

DS
Or the rifle's side mount is out of spec. I'd believe that about a Riley Defense rifle before I'd believe the RS Regulate mount was out of spec. But in theory either is possible. If what I said to do above isn't working, I'd call up RS Regulate and ask them for their help.
 
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Watched a YouTube vid...and a guy slid his mount on 1 handed on his Yugo...but the Yugo mount on the rifle is different than what I have on the side of my Riley Defense.

DS
 
Watched a YouTube vid...and a guy slid his mount on 1 handed on his Yugo...but the Yugo mount on the rifle is different than what I have on the side of my Riley Defense.

DS

They all go on fine with in-spec rails. The RS 307 mount is for Yugo-pattern guns. The 301 (front bias), 302 (rear bias), and 303 (full length) all fit most standard AKs. Your rail may be out of spec.

This is a new mount right, not used? Was it a blem? As @Gnash.Hyena pointed out, can you confirm you've adjusted this screw to increase the clamp width, while the latch is in the open position?

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You can adjust it with your finger like this:

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After doing that to widen the clamp width, the mount STILL doesn't fit? Then it has to be the Riley rail or user error. RS mounts are top quality.
 
They all go on fine with in-spec rails. The RS 307 mount is for Yugo-pattern guns. The 301 (front bias), 302 (rear bias), and 303 (full length) all fit most standard AKs. Your rail may be out of spec.

This is a new mount right, not used? Was it a blem? As @Gnash.Hyena pointed out, can you confirm you've adjusted this screw to increase the clamp width, while the latch is in the open position?

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You can adjust it with your finger like this:

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After doing that to widen the clamp width, the mount STILL doesn't fit? Then it has to be the Riley rail or user error. RS mounts are top quality.
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I believe the left side would go on 1st as you have it upside down..

But regardless....that solid part (marked in red) ain't going on! I'm seriously thinking it's the gun....have to contact Riley D and see what they say.


DS
 
The Riley is technically my son's rifle...I'm gonna break out my wasr-10 and see if the RS Regulate fits it tomorrow.

DS
 
Correct - the left side of the mount in that orientation is the side that slides onto the rail first. Note the catch at the end of the right side, which prevents overtravel and helps the mount engage with the notch in the middle of the rail.

Testing it on your WASR is the next logical step. One other thing you could do is unscrew and completely remove that spring-loaded middle section of the RS mount. If it still won't slide onto the rail, then there you go. Hopefully back to Riley for warranty work.

Interested to read your follow-up, @DirtySCREW. I'll reserve judgment until you know the results, but to me this is one more reason why when it comes to the AK, imports > domestics.
 
What do you know!....fits my Romanian wasr10 just perfect! After adjusting for no wobble on mine...tried my son's Riley again...nope..rail on gun is too wide.
Pisses me off...standard suppose to mean standard!

DS
 
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Well....after leaving a message, Riley Defense just called me.
He thinks it's very odd as why the RS regulate isn't fitting...as that's what they use to check certain rifles.

They are sending me a shipping slip so I can send it back to them amd they can Investigate the issue.

Must say..very impressed so far with customer service! Time will tell....

DS
 
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Well....after leaving a message, Riley Defense just called me.
He thinks it's very odd as why the RS regulate isn't fitting...as that's what they use to check certain rifles.

They are sending me a shipping slip so I can send it back to them amd they can Investigate the issue.

Must say..very impressed so far with customer service! Time will tell....

DS
I literally had this same problem today with mine on a WASR. Fit the SGL21 perfectly fine.

Solution:

Large metal punch
Rubber mallet

Put a towel on the end of the punch, place the punch at the rear of the mount, kneel on your rifle so it doesn't move, and give it a few whacks with the mallet.

This of course after 30min of whacking it with the mallet alone to no avail.

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I literally had this same problem today with mine on a WASR. Fit the SGL21 perfectly fine.

Solution:

Large metal punch
Rubber mallet

Put a towel on the end of the punch, place the punch at the rear of the mount, kneel on your rifle so it doesn't move, and give it a few whacks with the mallet.

This of course after 30min of whacking it with the mallet alone to no avail.

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Riley sent me a prepaid label and I shipped it back to them yesterday....along with my RS regulate mount. Guy was really confused as that's what they use to check various random ones.
We'll see how it goes...

DS
 
Riley sent me a prepaid label and I shipped it back to them yesterday....along with my RS regulate mount. Guy was really confused as that's what they use to check various random ones.
We'll see how it goes...

DS
If they come back with "IDK what's wrong, fit ours fine." Then try my method before selling it off.

From what I understand, RS mounts are very tight and something as simple as a heavy paint on the rifle rail could prevent it from sliding on.

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If they come back with "IDK what's wrong, fit ours fine." Then try my method before selling it off.

From what I understand, RS mounts are very tight and something as simple as a heavy paint on the rifle rail could prevent it from sliding on.

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Thanks...I appreciate your help.

I hope Riley Defense fixes or replaces the rifle though....

DS
 
My Riley rifle won’t fit side rail mounts including the AK master mount and RS. As OP notes the rail is too long so the locking tab on the mount can’t reach far enough forward into the locking groove. i ended up using a Texas weapon systems BDM-1 mount for a primary arms red dot, but the side rail issue is truly annoying.
 
My Riley rifle won’t fit side rail mounts including the AK master mount and RS. As OP notes the rail is too long so the locking tab on the mount can’t reach far enough forward into the locking groove. i ended up using a Texas weapon systems BDM-1 mount for a primary arms red dot, but the side rail issue is truly annoying.
I'm hoping my issue will be resolved and will help others so they will re-engineer the mounting block the RS regulate or other mounts mount to.

If not...may have to get a PSA AK47...

DS
 
Update:

I'm pissed as I write this so....

Gun is fixed. They took .005 thou off and the RS regulate mount fits well according to them. The gun arrived at the FFL today.
That's why I'm pissed off. They didn't want to ship it to me. They shipped it to the FFL. I shipped it to Riley Defense....they shipped it to FFL after warranty work. Oh..but I got a free t-shirt! 😡
So now....I have to meet the FFL at 10am tomorrow and PAY $25 transfer fee😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
It ain't the $25...its the principle of the thing.

Needless to say, I don't believe I will purchase another Riley Defense product. They were good on the phone....they fixed the 'problem'....but then they dropped the ball by not shipping it directly back to me.
Oh..its no big thing to inconvenience a customer...and then make them pay to get their own gun back

I wished I had bought a PSAK47! PROBABLY wouldn't have had this issue........

DS
 
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Update:

I'm pissed as I write this so....

Gun is fixed. They took .005 thou off and the RS regulate mount fits well according to them. The gun arrived at the FFL today.
That's why I'm pissed off. They didn't want to ship it to me. They shipped it to the FFL. I shipped it to Riley Defense....they shipped it to FFL after warranty work. Oh..but I got a free t-shirt! 😡
So now....I have to meet the FFL at 10am tomorrow and PAY $25 transfer fee😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
It ain't the $25...its the principle of the thing.

Needless to say, I don't believe I will purchase another Riley Defense product. They were good on the phone....they fixed the 'problem'....but then they dropped the ball by not shipping it directly back to me.
Oh..its no big thing to inconvenience a customer...and then make them pay to get their own gun back

I wished I had bought a PSAK47! PROBABLY wouldn't have had this issue........

DS
I wonder why they wouldnt ship it directly to you? Thats just silly.
 
Yaaaa, I wouldn't go with either but I'm not here to be an AK snob, just trying to help out.

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What would you suggest? Legitimate question....I don't know much about Aks...other than I like em...lol

Now that I've calmed down....and have picked up the rifle.....looking back customer service was excellent. Spoke to a guy on the phone and explained the problem. He emailed a prepaid shipping label to UPS the next day about 5pm. I shipped it the following day. Riley D received it the next day. I also spoke to them on the phone that day and they said my Rs regulate mount doesn't fit...theirs does. But they took .005 thou off and now my RS regulate mount fits. They reblued it and sent it back.
They sent it to FFL I purchased it from...and he got up with them and had them cover transfer fee. So happy about that!
Maybe I can actually chamber a round and make it go boom soon!

DS
 
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What would you suggest? Legitimate question....I don't know much about Aks...other than I like em...lol

Most of the AK crowd echoes the imports > domestics statement when it comes to this question. I am a staunch supporter of this statement. There are always exceptions to any rule (Pioneer Arms, for example - stay farrrr away), but Russian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Hungarian, Polish, Chinese, Yugo/Serbian, etc. etc. models are almost always going to be better than American AKs. For casual shooters who may run a few mags a year through the gun, a PSA will probably be fine. However, owning an AK has a tendency to cause owners to want more AKs, as you yourself have alluded to, and most American AKs don't have good reputations, resale value, or much interest from folks who want to buy another AK.

You have a WASR-10 (I think, but that photo you posted of the RS Regulate isn't a WASR. It has dimples. Kinda looks like a SAR-1.) which is awesome. Zastava USA makes a solid and affordable shooter with its Serbian ZPAPM70. Yugo/Serbian-pattern guns use proprietary furniture and optic rails, FYI. Atlantic and Arms of America carry WBP and FB branded Polish AKs that are great. Though I generally discourage new AK guys from purchasing second-hand kit builds, @digitalpaladin10 builds some legit wonderful stuff and sometimes sells his builds in the classifieds here. He can also do custom work for you. I would 100% vouch for him.

If you have deep pockets, I'd add the IWI Galil ACE to your list. Not quite an AK, but in a lot of ways better. Phenomenal guns. And although I have a lot of higher end AK variants that are now pushing $2,000, $3,000+ in value (Russian VEPRs, Bulgarian SAMs and SLRs, etc.), at the end of the day they don't do much more than a trusty WASR. These days they cater more to the diehard AK collector than a casual shooter.

Like I said, PSA is generally fine by now with its 7.62x39 lineup, but I don't like the company's ethics. They censor mediocre and negative reviews from their website, delete legitimately critical posts and ban legitimately frustrated people on their social media pages, and they pulled out from the AK Files after receiving a lot of well-earned criticism from owners of various PSAK lemons, and then created their own internet forum where they can censor content. PSA also notoriously uses owners as beta testers for its new guns, and those owners inevitably run into all sorts of problems. It's an all around shitty way to do business and treat customers. And although you get a "lifetime warranty," I've heard several anecdotes from owners who still had problems, or had to send their guns back multiple times, or who never got PSA to honor the warranty for a variety of reasons. I understand the turnaround time for warranty work right now is crazy long, which kind of speaks to the amount of problematic guns out there. The PSAK-47 is on its fifth generation (the GF5 series), and generally the GF3, GF4, and GF5 guns are good to go. Just my two cents. I do own a PSAK-74 and AK-V. Neither of mine have had any problems, but both models have had a wide variety of issues for other owners.

Likewise, Riley has had more than a few growing pains and QC issues and I would never recommend them to a new shooter. And for what it's worth, I wouldn't touch anything domestic made by Century (RAS-47, C39 and C39V2, VSKA, whatever the hell its new BFT-47 is ... probably "Brittle Fuggin' Trunnion," and so on) if you paid me to take it off your hands. Again, that is just my opinion. YMMV.

Also American, Give Kalashnikov-USA a look. I've had one KUSA rifle that I traded, but the fit and finish was quite nice. I am digging the 103 series by the looks of it, and will probably bite the bullet and pick up a 105 clone whenever they release it.

Read through the various threads in the AK section here and you'll start seeing a pattern of what is generally good quality and recommended by the resident CFF AK guys, and what is not. And feel free to ask questions before buying!
 
What would you suggest? Legitimate question....I don't know much about Aks...other than I like em...lol

Now that I've calmed down....and have picked up the rifle.....looking back customer service was excellent. Spoke to a guy on the phone and explained the problem. He emailed a prepaid shipping label to UPS the next day about 5pm. I shipped it the following day. Riley D received it the next day. I also spoke to them on the phone that day and they said my Rs regulate mount doesn't fit...theirs does. But they took .005 thou off and now my RS regulate mount fits. They reblued it and sent it back.
They sent it to FFL I purchased it from...and he got up with them and had them cover transfer fee. So happy about that!
Maybe I can actually chamber a round and make it go boom soon!

DS
@IUHoosier429 gave a great run down.

IMO, I'd sell off that Riley if you can and fund the purchase of a WBP Jack, or look for a good deal on a used, newer production WASR. The QC on the newest stuff has had some issues, so I'd try to get something between 2013-2018 production; the last two digits on the SN indicate when it was built.

The Yugo M70s from Zastava are solid options, but keep in mind some of the furniture and parts are specific to Yugos, so you won't be able to use much if your AKM furniture, or in this case, that RS mount.

It really comes down to what you want to spend. AKs are stupid expensive right now compared to what they used to be.

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