Holly Springs Public Hearing re: NO GUNS Postings

Before the next election cycle starts, I would love to have a get together of all the Holly Springs member on this forum to discuss strategies to elect someone to the City council that will be willing to follow the laws of NC and USA. If you would like to be on the list, please rely to this thread.
Keep Berry, get rid of Villadsen and Kelly.....i doubt the Mayor is running again as he is like 80 years old. If anyone can become a mole on the Impact Holly Springs Facebook page, that will reveal a lot of anti gun efforts.
 
Keep Berry, get rid of Villadsen and Kelly.....i doubt the Mayor is running again as he is like 80 years old. If anyone can become a mole on the Impact Holly Springs Facebook page, that will reveal a lot of anti gun efforts.
I am on the Impact page. There is a push for Tonya Palumbo to run for mayor, she's insane and a bully. Kelly is all about her ego and will probably be running for mayor because she thinks it's an important office/title, but it's really just a figurehead position. To be honest I don't know of any non-nutjobs that have expressed any interest in running for mayor.
 
for the 2021 municipal elections in Holly Springs , be aware that Kelly and Villadsen voted to take away your rights to open carry in town parks, etc. The other was Wolff, but he is not running this year. Villadsen will probably not run, but Kelly will. She cannot stay on the council nor can she become the mayor.
 
Yeah Wolff and Kelly both need to go away.
Heard a nasty rumor that Sean Mayefskie will run for mayor. Watch out for that slimy turd. He say all the right things then stabs you in the back.
At least Erin Pare is on our side and fighting at the county level.
Maybe some the transplants will understand if they vote the same way they up north, the end up with the same crap they ran from.
 
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Damn yanks flooding in.
The new construction in the area is nuts!
I was picking up someone from an apartment complex in Holly Springs a few weeks ago and the car tags were from all over the place. More out of state than in-state. Canada, Iowa, MO, NY, PA, Wisconsin, MI, CA, NJ. I mean from everywhere
That isn't unique to Holly Springs. This whole area is like that (Wake, Orange, Durham, Lee, etc.)
I lived in Cary for 30 years, and moved to Fuquay 18 months ago. I never saw so many out of state tags in one place since I got here.
As for the Yankees, I recently read in the paper that over half of the people living in NC west of I-95 were born in a different state.
No public comment? Why go? (A serious question)
Because Numbers of voters are the Only thing these Whores pay attention to.

We have 3 of 11 so far, BUT "we" are now in a voting Minority. As soon as council has a majority...it'll be....We didn't do it like that where I came from.
 
Yeah Wolff and Kelly both need to go away.
Heard a nasty rumor that Sean Mayefskie will run for mayor. Watch out for that slimy turd. He say all the right things then stabs you in the back.
At least Erin Pare is on our side and fighting at the county level.
Maybe some the transplants will understand if they vote the same way they up north, the end up with the same crap they ran from.
No, they do not understand this. They are mentally retarded. This has been fact checked by me.
 
Meh, I have changed a few to full 2A supporters. About equals out to the number of my old southern family that votes D.
 
New signs are up. This was on the trail around Bass Lake as you enter from the Carl Dean Greenway. Interestingly, the rules sign as you enter the Carl Dean Greenway from Grigsby Avenue has no mention of weapons.
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Again, this is the work of Aaron Wolff and Christine Kelly. If we do not help in the coming election to get pro 2A council members voted in Wolff will remove the CC option ..... per his own words. We need to get 2 pro 2A seats in this November
 
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I also find the language a bit weird. "No weapons." is a definite statement with no exceptions which is then countered by the third sentence. "No weapons except as allowed by N.C.G.S. 14-415.11." would've been a better wording IMO. That's how I've seen it elsewhere (such as Pullen Park in Raleigh).
 
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New signs are up. This was on the trail around Bass Lake as you enter from the Carl Dean Greenway. Interestingly, the rules sign as you enter the Carl Dean Greenway from Grigsby Avenue has no mention of weapons.
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They could have just made the sign list the stuff you can do. It wouldn’t take so long to read. That crap sounds like an old Buffalo Chip thought it up. I see they have a DialaRat number listed. Have a dozen folks call in suspicious activities on a burner phone, about once an hour and watch the show.
 
Ignore the sign (as they have with state law), and sue the hell out of them when they attempt to enforce it
it's a good idea... but the reality is that lawyers know the courts are stacked against us. You'll be paying up front and your chance of winning is low. You gotta have a good angle of some kind so that the city finds the publicity of fighting you more expensive than paying you off.
personal experience here.
 
Well, at least they are doing something about gun violence. Finally, I can walk those greenways without worrying about getting assaulted or encountering any of those creepy gun guys. I don’t know why more places haven’t adopted these common sense gun safety measures.
 
There's a very, very slight silver lining - I went to a Salamanders game yesterday and was surprised to see that they now allow conceal carry at games. I guess Holly Springs realized that Ting Park is technically a town park and has to fall under the same guidelines as other town parks. The stadium explicitly forbade concealed carry last time I went in 2019.
 
Did they copy this from what Chapel Hill has about open carry? With 100 counties in the state and many more local towns and villages it would be easy to violate a local ordinance if you are passing through the area as you travel in the state. I thought the state law was passed to stop this type of local anti gun laws.

I guess the folks in charge forget what happened to the ball team practicing at the field in DC when a gunman tried to murder folks.
As I understand it from reading CH municipal code, you can open carry in most of Chapel Hill (per their own ordinances -- specifically CH Municipal Code Chapter 11, Article XIV) as long as 1) you've not been drinking or doing drugs; 2) you're not at a polling place or public assembly; 3) it's a firearm with a grip whose OAL is more than 6" in length ... or a gripless firearm whose OAL is more than 8" in length; and 4) it's not a weapon of mass death and destruction as defined in Chapel Hill statues (which are basically a) semi-autos or any kind with 20rnd capacity detachable magazine or larger [if you have such mag, whether or not the mag is in the so-called weapon of mass death and destruction] and b) semi-auto shotties with 6rnd capacity or more. The foregoing obviously presumes the area is not a lawfully posted no-carry zone or a place where carry is legitimately prohibited by other state or federal law.

Interestingly, CH municipal code excludes weapons of mass death and destruction as defined in NCGS 14-288.8 from its own definition -- probably to avoid any appearance of stepping on the NC general statute's terms.

I pay close attention to the above because the OAL of my EDC (a single-stack Walther PPS Classic) is 6.32". :)
 
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As I understand it from reading CH municipal code, you can open carry in most of Chapel Hill (per their own ordinances -- specifically CH Municipal Code Chapter 11, Article XIV) as long as 1) you've not been drinking or doing drugs; 2) you're not at a polling place or public assembly; 3) it's a firearm with a grip whose OAL is more than 6" in length ... or a gripless firearm whose OAL is more than 8" in length; and 4) it's not a weapon of mass death and destruction as defined in Chapel Hill statues (which are basically a) semi-autos or any kind with 20rnd capacity detachable magazine or larger [if you have such mag, whether or not the mag is in the so-called weapon of mass death and destruction] and b) semi-auto shotties with 6rnd capacity or more. The foregoing obviously presumes the area is not a lawfully posted no-carry zone or a place where carry is legitimately prohibited by other state or federal law.

Interestingly, CH municipal code excludes weapons of mass death and destruction as defined in NCGS 14-288.8 from its own definition -- probably to avoid any appearance of stepping on the NC general statute's terms.

I pay close attention to the above because the OAL of my EDC (a single-stack Walther PPS Classic) is 6.32". :)

By the way... the drug thing?

Yeah, they can arrest you for suspected drug use based solely on whether the officer thinks you're under the influence.

Which means they can charge you with any other related things they can think up. Like open carrying under the influence, for example.

That gets your concealed carry revoked, and without a court date.
 
By the way... the drug thing?

Yeah, they can arrest you for suspected drug use based solely on whether the officer thinks you're under the influence.

Which means they can charge you with any other related things they can think up. Like open carrying under the influence, for example.

That gets your concealed carry revoked, and without a court date.
i had a similar thing up in MI. yes. i did a stupid. but it was a situation that the cop decided fell under disorderly conduct... it eventually shook out to a ticket for the catch-all cause of impeding traffic. If they can't get you with a crime, they'll ticket you the best they can.
I still had to wait a while for my session with the gun review board. They told me the whole situation was dumb and reinstated my carry license.
 
By the way... the drug thing?

Yeah, they can arrest you for suspected drug use based solely on whether the officer thinks you're under the influence.

Which means they can charge you with any other related things they can think up. Like open carrying under the influence, for example.

That gets your concealed carry revoked, and without a court date.
Sorta. See, possession, sale, etc. of certain drugs have their own statutes/crimes associated with them (which is what I think you're referring to). However, there's a scenario where one has consumed/used a drug, is loaded from it, but possesses no more of it. As long as one is just walking around (i.e. not driving, riding a bicycle, etc.) and is not doing anything disorderly ... being loaded in public isn't actually a crime that I'm aware of -- not until the loaded person does something (like drive, carry a firearm, etc.) that is legally prohibited while loaded.

With that in mind, the CH municipal code has made it criminal to be loaded while in possession of a firearm. This is on top of state laws (specifically NCGS 14-269 dealing with CHP holders and NCGS 14-415.11 dealing with carry in all forms) that preclude lawful carry of any sort (i.e. open or concealed) while under the influence of alcohol or drugs unless said drugs were lawfully obtained (i.e. one has a prescription). I suspect CH did this just in case state law changed on the matter? That's my best guess, anyway...
 
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All, the cadidates for Holly Springs city council have filed for the up coming municipal elections that are being held Nov 2. In the list are at least one BLM supporter and one left political activist. If they are elected, Holly Springs will be on its way to become one of those cities you see on the new. We need your help to elect sane politicians in our town. If you would like to help, please send me you name and phone number on thIs forum and I will contact you with more detail.

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Dan Berry needs your help. Please reach out to him to get plugged into his campaign group here: http://danberry4hs.weebly.com/
Dan Berry was the only one that responded to my email way back at the beginning of this mess. He also was the only one to call out the fact that the town had more important things to worry about in 2020 than stomping on rights to keep people from feeling scared (my words, not his, but he was the only one with his head screwed on right). I'll have to reach out and see how I can help.
 
I'm not sure it's unusual that towns don't allow weapons on town or county property. I live East of 95 and if you tried to enter rec facilities or town hall with a pistol you'd get an invite to the Sheriff's office. But I'm with you on all the influx hiding behind economy and progress. That's just BS. We dont need millions of people concentrating in the latest IT place to be ruining our land and values in order to succeed. You just need to decide what's more important. A fast buck for developers. I recently had an encounter in Food Lion with a loud mouth complaining couple that was from some other place. I asked why don't you go back to the place that was so awesome that you wanted to leave it and come here and turn it in to the things that you disliked so much that you came here. Think about it. I have no problem with stifling people from coming here. When I was a kid the population of Raleigh probably wasn't 75000 and it was just fine. Why can't people be satisfied stay involved in community and stay put.?
 
Why can't people be satisfied stay involved in community and stay put.?
Because they voted for more 'free' stuff and marxist leadership until they ran out of other people's money and the place became an expensive S-hole. So they g00gled 'Best place to live' and brought their same voting habits here.
 
When I drive down to lil' ole Angier several times a week to see family, there will be at least one vehicle from some distant blue state stronghold.
Today it was Minnesota.
My son said, “That’s not a bad place is it?”
I said, “You recall the riots everywhere 18 months ago that caused that gun shop where you work to go insane for a year?"
 
I'm not sure it's unusual that towns don't allow weapons on town or county property. I live East of 95 and if you tried to enter rec facilities or town hall with a pistol you'd get an invite to the Sheriff's office. But I'm with you on all the influx hiding behind economy and progress. That's just BS. We dont need millions of people concentrating in the latest IT place to be ruining our land and values in order to succeed. You just need to decide what's more important. A fast buck for developers. I recently had an encounter in Food Lion with a loud mouth complaining couple that was from some other place. I asked why don't you go back to the place that was so awesome that you wanted to leave it and come here and turn it in to the things that you disliked so much that you came here. Think about it. I have no problem with stifling people from coming here. When I was a kid the population of Raleigh probably wasn't 75000 and it was just fine. Why can't people be satisfied stay involved in community and stay put.?
That's the funny part. Concealed weapons are allowed. Open carry is not allowed. It's all about feelings.
 
That's the funny part. Concealed weapons are allowed. Open carry is not allowed. It's all about feelings.
they did not have the votes to outlaw conceal carry as there is one middle of the road Republican on the councel, Peter Villadsen, who supported conceal carry but not open carry. But if one more liberal gets elected to the councel, there will be more loss of constitutional rights. So we need your help!
 
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Odd that someone can quote the statute verbatim, and there it is in black and white stating clearly that cities can post. And more than one of you still make the claim that they don't have the authority.

And don't be lumping Cary in with Chapel Hill. Cary has posted all that the statute allows, but they have never attempted to do more than that. And a few years ago they rewrote their Open Carry ordinance that actually opened things up for OC.

As for the Yankees, I recently read in the paper that over half of the people living in NC west of I-95 were born in a different state.
Can we deport them?
 
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