How to Shoot Like John Wick

Chuckman said:
I really liked that, thanks for sharing. I have to say, one thing that drives me nuts is that guy always looking at his holster when he reholsters. But the instructor seems to know his stuff.
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Seems like a good technique to prevent ND's with striker fired guns. Simple enough to make sure nothing gets in the way that could catch the trigger. And if you are not in an active battle zone the extra second or two and look down probably has no downside.
 
CZfool68 said:
Seems like a good technique to prevent ND's with striker fired guns. Simple enough to make sure nothing gets in the way that could catch the trigger. And if you are not in an active battle zone the extra second or two and look down probably has no downside.
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Yeah, I admit it's probably a personal thing.
 
@FatboyFlash
A couple of weeks ago you mentioned moving your eyes to the next target as soon as you break your shots on the current target. That helped me on my transitions. Maybe it's just shooting 101. I kept waiting for the trainer to say do that because the shooter was not able to speed up his transitions.
 
CZfool68 said:
You probably just don't like him because he's younger and faster than you. :p

The trainer guy seems good, but he could use some extra PT.
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Lol. Yes, to both. :D

I never heard of Taran Butler before I saw the video. Apparently he is 'trainer to the stars' and a multi-year world champ in the shooting sports. I looked at his store website, holy crap is his stuff pricey.
 
Chuckman said:
Lol. Yes, to both. :D

I never heard of Taran Butler before I saw the video. Apparently he is 'trainer to the stars' and a multi-year world champ in the shooting sports. I looked at his store website, holy crap is his stuff pricey.
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There are a lot of people on this forum with his mag extensions. Good stuff
 
fieldgrade said:
@FatboyFlash
A couple of weeks ago you mentioned moving your eyes to the next target as soon as you break your shots on the current target. That helped me on my transitions. Maybe it's just shooting 101. I kept waiting for the trainer to say do that because the shooter was not able to speed up his transitions.
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In a combat shooting class the instructor called it being a missile launcher: fire and forget. It's harder than it sounds, I found, but my goodness it works.
 
CZfool68 said:
Hollywood pricing. Good for him.
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Lol. Take a Honda Accord (i.e., Glock), and add a spoiler, racing wheels, souped-up engine, and a couple racing stripes. I admit if I was going to for-real, seriously compete for money and bling, I would be interested.
 
Tailhunter said:
Hey, don’t body shame a guy who can shoot you in the eye 12 times in 3 seconds.
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But does illustrate the difference between competition shooting and combat shooting. He can move fast inside a 20 or 30 yard square, but expand it to a mile or more imagine his times would get slower.

In full disclosure, I am not in the shape that I once was in either, and would be huffing and puffing if I had to run a quality combat shooting course, wearing a ton of crap.
 
Chuckman said:
In a combat shooting class the instructor called it being a missile launcher: fire and forget. It's harder than it sounds, I found, but my goodness it works.
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Hahaha. My very first PSG ( a DomRep veteran and Vietnam war veteran) used to call them bullet launchers.
 
Taran doesn’t have to run that far. Anybody within 100 yards would be dead meat. Unless he had an AR. Then it would be anybody within 800 yards.

 
NKD said:
Taran doesn’t have to run that far. Anybody within 100 yards would be dead meat. Unless he had an AR. Then it would be anybody within 800 yards.

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No, he doesn't. His targets don't shoot back, and he doesn't have to shoot, move, and communicate. I'm not taking anything away from his skills are talent, because he has mad skills and talent.
 
Chuckman said:
No, he doesn't. His targets don't shoot back, and he doesn't have to shoot, move, and communicate. I'm not taking anything away from his skills are talent, because he has mad skills and talent.
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Yeah sure man. I’m sure he couldn’t figure out moving and communitcating.

And gunfire probably scares the crap out of him.
 
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fieldgrade said:
@FatboyFlash
A couple of weeks ago you mentioned moving your eyes to the next target as soon as you break your shots on the current target. That helped me on my transitions. Maybe it's just shooting 101. I kept waiting for the trainer to say do that because the shooter was not able to speed up his transitions.
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I’m glad that it has helped. Another big area to focus is reaction time to squeezing the trigger. If you watch Taran, he is squeezing the trigger almost exactly as the sights come on target. The other guy is spending a lot of time looking at his sights before squeezing the trigger.
 
If that school/class is in CA, how are they using all those non-CA legal guns, non-legal magazines, etc? Are they a manufacturer and everyone who shoots there gets signed up to 'work' for the place and therefore can use the inventory without possessing it?

Or is this another case where hollywood is except from the laws because reasons?
 
Chuckman said:
I really liked that, thanks for sharing. I have to say, one thing that drives me nuts is that guy always looking at his holster when he reholsters. But the instructor seems to know his stuff.
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My brother and I were shooting together a little while back and he called me a “gear gazer” for watching my holster as I re-holstered. My response was that I am a supporter of that, because too many things can get caught in your trigger guard and cause and ND, cloathing, gear, brass, etc etc..and to counter the “you should keep your eyes on the threat at all times”. I’m not going to be reholstering unless I’m absolutely sure the threat is gone or neutralized.
 
Chuckman said:
It sounds like you're looking for offense where there was none or none intended.
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Absolutely no offense taken. Just giving my opinion. Don’t mean any offense either.

Just believe shooting is shooting. Shooting is one tiny part of combat. But “combat shooting” is just shooting. Using a gun to fire projectiles at a target. If you can do that really well, it’s going to work better for you in any situation you encounter whether it is a match at a range, a combat zone, or a self defense scenario.

Top tier operators take lessons from people like Taran and Todd Jarret and many others who have no combat experience. Not the other way around.

Because they are better shooters. But if what you meant is that they are not soldiers and this is not combat, then I agree 100%.
 
Derek8404 said:
My brother and I were shooting together a little while back and he called me a “gear gazer” for watching my holster as I re-holstered. My response was that I am a supporter of that, because too many things can get caught in your trigger guard and cause and ND, cloathing, gear, brass, etc etc..and to counter the “you should keep your eyes on the threat at all times”. I’m not going to be reholstering unless I’m absolutely sure the threat is gone or neutralized.
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That is way to simple and smart. Surely there must be an expert that can explain how this will get you killed. :p
 
NKD said:
Absolutely no offense taken. Just giving my opinion. Don’t mean any offense either.

Just believe shooting is shooting. Shooting is one tiny part of combat. But “combat shooting” is just shooting. Using a gun to fire projectiles at a target. If you can do that really well, it’s going to work better for you in any situation you encounter whether it is a match at a range, a combat zone, or a self defense scenario.

Top tier operators take lessons from people like Taran and Todd Jarret and many others who have no combat experience. Not the other way around.

Because they are better shooters. But if what you meant is that they are not soldiers and this is not combat, then I agree 100%.
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We're good.

My context was strictly in relation to the excess weight he's carrying and when you have to move that weight quickly and over distance it does and peed your opportunity for quality shooting. You just don't have the exposure to that in competition shooting, that is all.

I can't say I was a toppest top of top tier operators, the toppest tier I got to was with Marine Recon, and we took instruction from both competition shooters and SOF instructors. Both high quality both augmented the other.

Competition shooters have taken instruction for military Shooters, though. Again, one augments the other.

Edited to add, the man has mad skills. If he is at 10, I am a one. I am in no shape denigrating what he has done or what he does do.
 
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Chuckman said:
We're good.

My context was strictly in relation to the excess weight he's carrying and when you have to move that weight quickly and over distance it does and peed your opportunity for quality shooting. You just don't have the exposure to that in competition shooting, that is all.

I can't say I was a toppest top of top tier operators, the toppest tier I got to was with Marine Recon, and we took instruction from both competition shooters and SOF instructors. Both high quality both augmented the other.

Competition shooters have taken instruction for military Shooters, though. Again, one augments the other.
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Yep, when he guest stars on the Walking Dead and has to run through the woods from the walkers he's not going to be ready for the leftovers of the Saviors. They are going to slice Taran up.
 
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Derek8404 said:
My brother and I were shooting together a little while back and he called me a “gear gazer” for watching my holster as I re-holstered. My response was that I am a supporter of that, because too many things can get caught in your trigger guard and cause and ND, cloathing, gear, brass, etc etc..and to counter the “you should keep your eyes on the threat at all times”. I’m not going to be reholstering unless I’m absolutely sure the threat is gone or neutralized.
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Yep. A shooter was DQed just today due to making his bang stick go bang when he holstered his loaded bang stick at the beginning of a stage. We're still not sure what caused it. Fortunately no holes were made in any humans.
 
Derek8404 said:
My brother and I were shooting together a little while back and he called me a “gear gazer” for watching my holster as I re-holstered. My response was that I am a supporter of that, because too many things can get caught in your trigger guard and cause and ND, cloathing, gear, brass, etc etc..and to counter the “you should keep your eyes on the threat at all times”. I’m not going to be reholstering unless I’m absolutely sure the threat is gone or neutralized.
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Tell him there's no prize for fastest reholster time.

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New shooters think not looking is cool, like you know what you are doing.
Experienced shooters know where their holster is (well, where it was the last 2000 times, probably will be this time too!) and can reholster without looking, or even really thinking about it.
Wise shooters know better than to do that because there is non-zero risk, and no benefit.
 
FatboyFlash said:
I’m glad that it has helped. Another big area to focus is reaction time to squeezing the trigger. If you watch Taran, he is squeezing the trigger almost exactly as the sights come on target. The other guy is spending a lot of time looking at his sights before squeezing the trigger.
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Doesn't Taran advocate point shooting? It seems like i have seen him and another guy running drills with Taran point shooting and the other guy aiming.

EDIT** and now i see someone posted said video. Like minds and all that...
 
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JimP42 said:
New shooters think not looking is cool, like you know what you are doing.
Experienced shooters know where their holster is (well, where it was the last 2000 times, probably will be this time too!) and can reholster without looking, or even really thinking about it.
Wise shooters know better than to do that because there is non-zero risk, and no benefit.
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When I was taught back in the stone age holstering was part of transition to and from long gun and that one's eye are always scanning or assessing. I know things go in and out of style and fashion (see slide release vs slingshot threads) so conventional wisdom may have changed on it.
 
Chuckman said:
When I was taught back in the stone age holstering was part of transition to and from long gun and that one's eye are always scanning or assessing. I know things go in and out of style and fashion (see slide release vs slingshot threads) so conventional wisdom may have changed on it.
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I have never heard that! I suppose that if you have fought your way to your rifle and need to pick it up under fire that could be a good reason. For all the talk of that, I have never heard of it actually happening in the civilian world.

But otherwise, whether at a match, or just practicing, or in a defense situation, you aren’t holstering on the clock or under fire. No benefit to not taking a few seconds and making sure the holster is clear of anything that could hit the trigger before putting it away. I always look.

Holstering live guns is one of the, if not the most, dangerous and common times for ND injuries to occur at matches. Usually before the buzzer, but also afterward, with an “empty” gun. You’re a medic (generic term - I know you are way beyond that, if it even means something specific) - how do you like those “shot lengthwise down the leg injuries”?

Not giving you a hard time, really. Military and civilian best practices might be different :)
 
JimP42 said:
I have never heard that! I suppose that if you have fought your way to your rifle and need to pick it up under fire that could be a good reason. For all the talk of that, I have never heard of it actually happening in the civilian world.

But otherwise, whether at a match, or just practicing, or in a defense situation, you aren’t holstering on the clock or under fire. No benefit to not taking a few seconds and making sure the holster is clear of anything that could hit the trigger before putting it away. I always look.

Holstering live guns is one of the, if not the most, dangerous and common times for ND injuries to occur at matches. Usually before the buzzer, but also afterward, with an “empty” gun. You’re a medic (generic term - I know you are way beyond that, if it even means something specific) - how do you like those “shot lengthwise down the leg injuries”?

Not giving you a hard time, really. Military and civilian best practices might be different :)
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I have not trained like that since, I don't know, 2008? Maybe 2009. but it's just the way that I was trained so that's what I have stuck with all these years lol. Old habits and all.

Never attended the someone who had a ND from something like that though. Closest I got was with a local jurisdiction SWAT officer who shot himself in the foot with his M4 because he did not safe it at a tactical training exercise in Fayetteville.

I certainly see your point though. Not arguing the point.
 
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