How Well Would A 458 SOCOM In A Mini Bolt ActionRun?

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I built my 300BLK SBR for hunting suppressed... before I realized it wouldn’t provide the ethical DRT shot I wish to hunt with. The last thing I want is a critter suffering, and/or having it run off to die another day.
So I’ve been pondering putting a night twist rate 16”-18” 458 SOCOM barrel on a Howa mini action, sporting a SiCo 460 bore suppressor I’m currently waiting on. With the idea of hunting subsonic with 400-500g cast lead bullits.
It seems like a great handy woods gun.
Another option would be a single shot break barrel, I’d rather have a bolt gun.
I think a 45/70 lever gun would be much heavier, and the last time I looked I only found slow twist rates.
Have y’all heard of anyone doing this? What are your thoughts?
 
No doubt about it, at very low velocity, caliber wins the day overall. There are special designed small caliber bullets that are very good in this arena, but not suitable for day to day use.

Now, I am going to make some Assumptions on this, I assume we are talking about deer/pigs for the most part, here in the Carolinas.

So I’ve been pondering putting a night twist rate 16”-18” 458 SOCOM barrel on a Howa mini action,

I am not very familiar at all with a Howa Mini Action, I plead nearly complete ignorance here. I have looked over on GunBroker, and there are no Howa bolt guns chambered in 458 Socom listed anywhere. So Again, I Assume one would have to build or chamber a barrel to fit the Howa for this cartridge. I do see Howa's in other cartridges, running $550 or better, then the cost of conversion added to that...... Depending on who/where/what, a conversion and barrel is going to be anything from $500 to much more I believe, and especially trying to find a faster twist barrel, which will probably have to be special order. In .458 caliber, I believe down to 1;12 may be available without special order? I know 1:14 is. Not sure about faster twists. But, for this application, I believe 1:14 will suffice and not be an issue at all...........For sure go with 16.25 inches....... case capacity does not require more barrel to burn at all.......

There are hundreds of different types of .458 caliber bullets to choose from, .458 is a wonderful caliber, one that is dear to my heart. You can get 45/70 type bullets, in the case of 458 Socom, 300 gr cheap HP's are great at 1500-1800 fps, various 400s are great at even lower velocities, thinking the Remington 405 is just great at 1200-1500 fps. Lots of cast bullets mostly cheap, and at subsonic would work fine...... There is no down side in .458 caliber that I can see in any way.

Break open gun? No, I despise those bastard things. Not for me. Lever gun, 45/70 would serve fine, but lever guns are very expensive these days, they have jumped through the roof. Probably not that much heavier than a bolt gun, but again I am not familiar with the Howa Mini? The slow twist rates in the Lever guns, I really don't think is an issue in this case, in these calibers. Think about it, there are still extreme long range matches with the big Sharps and 1885s in 45/70 and such cartridges shooting out 500+++ Yards, getting extreme accuracy........all those have very slow twist rates.......1:18 or even slower.......

Maybe other options in .458 caliber would give more versatility in addition to the SubSonic. 450 Marlin comes to mind, which can be put on a bolt gun, I have no experience with the 450 Marlin, which the 458 American (shortened 458 Winchester) preceded the marlin cartridge. Some minor tweaking would get you big fat heavy bullets at SubSonic without issue, and then later if you wanted to up the ante some, it would have more versatility than the 458 Socom.

Then of course another option and trying NOT to toot the B&M horn any is the 458 B&M Super Short. It can easy do SubSonic, I have used it to test various bullets down to 800 fps with no issue at all. Then of course, you can get very serious with it running super 300 Premiums to 2400-2500 fps, and the mighty 250 Socom from CEB at 2700 fps. The down side of this is cost. Requiring a Winchester M70 WSSM action, and about $1200 to convert. So not a cheap option at all. But no build is going to be cheap to begin with, unless you have the ability to do it yourself, a talent that I do not possess.

Yet again, here is an option that might come out to the good. I see plenty of those 450 BushMaster bolt guns on GunBroker, prices from $450-$550, some higher just depending. Ruger, Savage and seems some other makes and models available. I believe many are already threaded? Yes, caliber drops to .452 caliber, or basically 45 Colt caliber, handgun. But, the primary mission of this rifle is SubSonic, so this is just not an issue at all with bullet selections and there are just about as many .452 bullets available, if not more than even .458 caliber. If one wanted to up the ante with higher velocity, there are bullets that will do the job and hold together well at even 2000 fps or better.........Then there are piles on top of piles of bullets available for that 1200-1500 fps range. Lots of cast bullets for cheap shooting at SubSonic...........Still poking .45 caliber holes.........not enough difference in caliber between .452 and .458 to take notice.

Hmmmm............. We, as shooters, do all sorts of great and wonderful, fun, sometimes not practical, projects! Guilty as charged......... But if I was just looking at the goals mentioned, and the "For The Money Factor", I would have to check out one of those "ready made" bolt guns in 450 BushMaster..... I could get by with .452 caliber, and it might be a bunch of fun, at less cost than a build.........I don't know? Fun to build, god knows I have built a plenty.......and still do.......
 
Just to throw a wrench in the plans how about considering my favorite .375 H&H. Plenty of power for anything American and a fast enough twist to stabilize a heavy bullet at subsonic velocities as well.
 
Just to throw a wrench in the plans how about considering my favorite .375 H&H. Plenty of power for anything American and a fast enough twist to stabilize a heavy bullet at subsonic velocities as well.
That’d work, except I’m after a short, light rifle.
The Howa Mini bolt action is sized for 5.56/6.5G/300BLK/7.62x39/458SOCOM cartridges.
 
That’d work, except I’m after a short, light rifle.
The Howa Mini bolt action is sized for 5.56/6.5G/300BLK/7.62x39/458SOCOM cartridges.
It hasn’t been mentioned so far but I would take a look at CZ’s mini Mauser.
If that won’t work my eyes would be looking for a Winchester 1886 Miroku lightweight 45-70, a very good woods rifle right out of the box.
 
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It hasn’t been mentioned so far but I would take a look at CZ’s mini Mauser.
If that won’t work my eyes would be looking for a Winchester 1886 Miroku lightweight 45-70, a very good woods rifle right out of the box.
I was unaware of the CZ, sweet!! The mag looks like it may be too thin for a fatter round. I’ll have to do more research.
 
I’ve got a Mossberg Patriot Predator bolt action in 450 Bushmaster that’s very accurate. Got it back before the virus hit for less than $300. It has a 20” barrel and weighs seven pounds.
 
I’ve got a Mossberg Patriot Predator bolt action in 450 Bushmaster that’s very accurate. Got it back before the virus hit for less than $300. It has a 20” barrel and weighs seven pounds.
Raymond haven't you shot the 500s here??? The little single shots?
 
@Michael458 why do you have disdain for a break barrel?
He's a firearms SNOB!
Yep..... I hate a POS break Open anything, don't matter if its a $25'000 Double Rifle, its a POS and hard to work with...........Proper Singles are 1885s and Ruger #1s.......

There are a few things we can't abide with here, 375 H&H, followed by 375 anything, including 375 B&M...............7mm anything and 270 anything........... and break open single shots, add them to the list, and if I think about it long enough I will find more............LOL..........But the VERY TOP OF THE CRAP POS List is 3 7 5
 
I learned Howa MADE a 450 Bushmaster 16” threaded barrel mini action!
Now I’m searching for one.
That would be right up your ally I think.............. I would have to check that out before making a bigger move to a build.
@Michael458 I found you a big bore solid
Thats not a Solid........... This is a Solid..............

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I kinda remembered this thread when I saw the deal at Primary Arms.

Ruger American .450 for $405 with code SAVE10.

 
I'm sure the howa in 458 would suit your needs. Since your set up with a big bore can I'd cater my choice around that.

I just got into a threaded handi in 45 70 and the pet load for that is a 380 grain cast projectile over trail boss. The dude I bought it from planed to focus on a different 45 70 he ownes, I belive an encore with an aftermarket barrel that had a faster twist that would handle 500 grain cast projectiles.

If your just wanting more umph then your 300aac then the 458 will fit the bill, and I'd look for whatever is already threaded. If you hunt in any of the odd states that only allow straight wall I'd look at the 450 or 45 70. I have a tromix 458 AR, and the new handi rifle and I like them both. In your case any of them would work with your big bore can.
 
I know this is an older thread but wanted to suggest keeping the .450 Bushmaster bolt guns in mind, as someone who loads and regularly shoots the .458 Socom, I can tell you it is a hoot to shoot but the .450 Bushmaster shooting 400gr solids through a can is equally as impressive, your bullet selection is much more limited with the .450 Bushy but it’ll definitely do the job equally as well.

I shot a guys Ruger bolt action in .450 Bushmaster with suppressor on it and it was pretty dang sweet!!
 
I know this is an older thread but wanted to suggest keeping the .450 Bushmaster bolt guns in mind, as someone who loads and regularly shoots the .458 Socom, I can tell you it is a hoot to shoot but the .450 Bushmaster shooting 400gr solids through a can is equally as impressive, your bullet selection is much more limited with the .450 Bushy but it’ll definitely do the job equally as well.

I shot a guys Ruger bolt action in .450 Bushmaster with suppressor on it and it was pretty dang sweet!!
When I found Howa made a Mini Action in 450 Bushmaster.l, I found one.
Now I need optics, the ATF to release my can, 300g+ mould, and a set of dies.
 
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