Is Someone's Death Funny?

Tailhunter said:
Not everyone can be skinny. Sad is a better word.

I’d venture to say most Americans are overweight. So people that are 10, 15, 20 over get to make jokes about those 50 or more?

Some people struggle keeping their weight in check.
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A good friend of mine has always struggled with his weight, to the point if obesity. In our mid 20s and 30s he was more athletic than me, prob ate healthier than me, but yet had a lot of weight he just couldn't get rid of.

He ended up being treated for thyroid cancer (surgery and radiation), but that really wasn't the root of the issue. Since then, due to age and injury he has slowed down and now his weight is even worse.

I feel awful for him... He would never glorify or paint his situation in a rosy light, it just seems like he got dealt a bad hand with body type and metabolism.
 
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I don’t find humor in anyones death. Though some cause me far less grief than others. The irony is not lost on me that someone who praises the “fat” lifestyle has possibly succumbed early to weight related issues.

I am desperately trying to lose weight, and have shaved off around 60 lbs. it’s easy to lie to oneself and look in the mirror and think “I don’t look that bad.” But when the cholesterol is through the roof, diabetes is on the horizon, you get winded getting the mail, and belts cry in agony when they see you approaching it is time to admit enough is enough.

Everything in life is hard. Love is hard. Loneliness is hard. A good job is hard, being poor is hard. Being skinny is hard. Being healthy is hard. But being fat is also hard, we just don’t like to acknowledge it.


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Spartan01 said:
It normalizes being lazy.
Life is tough.
It’s tougher when you are lazy.
Get up, make your bed, then run, or bike or something…
She was a glutton and a hedonist. She did it to herself.
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Come Doctor, tell us what you really think. 😝

My knees are bone on bone, my joints are shot, had a complete shoulder replacement, need the knees and the other shoulder done.

Run … 🤣
Bike … 🤣
I am able to make my bed though. 🤓
 
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JimB said:
maybe they were worried about his elevated T levels?
but that aside, how do you fight with life insurance, I always thought it was a take it or leave it proposition.
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Dr. Visit, meeting with nurse that works for/with Ins company, photos.
 
Timfoilhat said:
sure they are.

I'm 5'10" and 220.

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My medical records call out my obesity. The thing I hate is the word obese. The woman that was the subject of the thread is obese in common parlance, I'm just a little overweight looking at me.
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Yeah, the BMI index is useless garbage for me....

I am currently fat. At 5'6" and 240lbs, fat. But a few weeks ago at the docs, I'm still healthy as can be...

I naturally fluctuate in size alot. "Active" years I hover around 200, not active years, here I sit at 240....

The BMI says I should be 155 max. I have never been close... When I was all about MX and XC on atv's I was down to 185. No six pack, but no belly either... I would have to scrub SO much muscle mass to get close to "healthy" on the BMI, I just ignore it.
 
"Is someone's death funny?"

Depends. It tends to be funny with distance and emotional detachment when tied into an element of irony or circumstance.

The death of this lady, in itself, isn't funny to me. If it turns out her death was definitely liked to her obesity, then yes...it would be at least passingly funny to me. But this article doesn't establish this.


Looking into this individual I think this person is an example, in the immortal words of Jerry Clower, of a person who is "educated way beyond [her] intelligence".

Her "about me" shows her to be entirely agenda driven on the subject of "Fat Studies" tying this into "queer studies" with a flat out denial of the well established detrimental effects of excessive fat/obesity on health.


Cat Pausé is the lead editor of Queering Fat Embodiment (Ashgate). A Fat Studies Researcher, her research focuses on the effects of spoiled identities on the health and well-being of fat individuals. Her work appears in scholarly journals such as Human Development, Feminist Review, HERDSA, and Narrative Inquiries in Bioethics, as well as online in The Huffington Post and The Conversation, among others. She hosted Fat Studies: Reflective Intersections in 2012 and Fat Studies: Identity, Agency, Embodiment in 2016. Cat is also involved in sociable scholarship; her work is highlighted in her social media presence, Friend of Marilyn, on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, iTunes, and her blog. Her fat positive radio show, Friend of Marilyn, is travelling the world – make sure your city is on the tour!

www.massey.ac.nz

Dr Cat Pause - Senior lecturer - Massey University

Senior lecturer - Institute of Education
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Chdamn said:
Death isn’t funny? You mean nobody laughed at the pair of smoking shoes and scorch mark of the dude who tried to steal copper wire from the high voltage sub station?

I LMAO at those pics.
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Definitely "an element of irony or circumstance" in those!

Motifake isn't around any more, but here was one I made on that site years ago about this:

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JRV said:
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I can’t even imagine getting fat-ish outside of an intentional bulk. It’s hard to eat enough calories as it is.
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I wish I had your metabolism.

Trevillian said:
Yeah, the BMI index is useless garbage for me....

I am currently fat. At 5'6" and 240lbs, fat. But a few weeks ago at the docs, I'm still healthy as can be...

I naturally fluctuate in size alot. "Active" years I hover around 200, not active years, here I sit at 240....

The BMI says I should be 155 max. I have never been close... When I was all about MX and XC on atv's I was down to 185. No six pack, but no belly either... I would have to scrub SO much muscle mass to get close to "healthy" on the BMI, I just ignore it.
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Same, except that injuries & age have compounded to the point that I haven't had an "active" year in I don't know how long. Slowly turning that around however & hoping to make this year an active one.
 
@Crazy Carl, I don’t have a naturally fast metabolism. I was a very fat kid. I just burn a lot of calories with regular lifting and cardio, which puts me at around 3,200 calories a day just to keep from losing mass.

I don’t drink calories, I don’t buy sweets, basically zero alcohol consumed, I make 20 out of 21 meals each week at home, I only keep healthy snacks in the house (apples, carrots, nuts, cottage cheese) and those snacks are what I bring to work. Just hitting 3K calories takes constant eating.

If my regular diet included fried chicken biscuits and cokes and Reese’s cups and fast food burgers and Starbucks milkshake-coffees and a beer or two… I could easily see absent-mindedly overshooting my caloric needs by 500 or 1,000 each day. But that’s just not even an option.

That’s a waste of ammo money, not to mention it is literally committing suicide in slow motion.
 
Scsmith42 said:
"Is someone's death funny?"

It is when they are a Darwin Award candidate...
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My favorite one

Jet Assisted Take-Off
1995 Darwin Awards Winner
Confirmed Bogus by Darwin​

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URBAN LEGEND! The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene.
The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.

It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.

Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.

The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:

The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.

The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.

Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.

Ironically a still-legible bumper sticker was found, reading
"How do you like my driving? Dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT."

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Get Off My Lawn said:
My favorite one

Jet Assisted Take-Off​

1995 Darwin Awards Winner​

Confirmed Bogus by Darwin​

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URBAN LEGEND! The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene.
The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.

It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.

Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.

The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:

The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.

The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.

Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.

Ironically a still-legible bumper sticker was found, reading
"How do you like my driving? Dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT."

​
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I was expecting the cops to find five pounds of fur and an ACME nameplate.
 
JRV said:
@Crazy Carl, I don’t have a naturally fast metabolism. I was a very fat kid. I just burn a lot of calories with regular lifting and cardio, which puts me at around 3,200 calories a day just to keep from losing mass.

I don’t drink calories, I don’t buy sweets, basically zero alcohol consumed, I make 20 out of 21 meals each week at home, I only keep healthy snacks in the house (apples, carrots, nuts, cottage cheese) and those snacks are what I bring to work. Just hitting 3K calories takes constant eating.

If my regular diet included fried chicken biscuits and cokes and Reese’s cups and fast food burgers and Starbucks milkshake-coffees and a beer or two… I could easily see absent-mindedly overshooting my caloric needs by 500 or 1,000 each day. But that’s just not even an option.

That’s a waste of ammo money, not to mention it is literally committing suicide in slow motion.
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I was a fat kid as well & but have that metabolism where if I walk past a gym, I'll put on muscle mass, but if I see a candy bar, I'll gain weight. Used to be, mad cardio & lifting were how I kept my weight in check, but now that I'm an orthopedic wreck, I'm liable to be "down" a couple days after an afternoon of chucking firewood or a long walk.

I'm sick of being fat & broken & though I can't do much about the broken, I have lost over 10lbs in the past month just by eating smaller portions earlier in the day & trying not to let the late night munchies get the better of me. Hard habit to break after years & years of eating only one meal a day. I rarely drink anymore- a 12 ok of beer lasts me a couple months & am hoping dropping another 20lbs or so will take enough weight off my back to be able to exercise more. 6 mile runs & heavy lifting are probably never happening again, due to the risk of injury/re-injury, but I'd like to at least be able to go for 3-4 mile walks & not be stove up after an afternoon of splitting firewood or clearing brush.

I need to reach out to Pat Mac to buy his Combat Strength Training book & pick his brain about the best way forward, as I know he's had to deal with recovering from both injuries & surgeries.
 
Crazy Carl said:
I was a fat kid as well & but have that metabolism where if I walk past a gym, I'll put on muscle mass, but if I see a candy bar, I'll gain weight. Used to be, mad cardio & lifting were how I kept my weight in check, but now that I'm an orthopedic wreck, I'm liable to be "down" a couple days after an afternoon of chucking firewood or a long walk.

I'm sick of being fat & broken & though I can't do much about the broken, I have lost over 10lbs in the past month just by eating smaller portions earlier in the day & trying not to let the late night munchies get the better of me. Hard habit to break after years & years of eating only one meal a day. I rarely drink anymore- a 12 ok of beer lasts me a couple months & am hoping dropping another 20lbs or so will take enough weight off my back to be able to exercise more. 6 mile runs & heavy lifting are probably never happening again, due to the risk of injury/re-injury, but I'd like to at least be able to go for 3-4 mile walks & not be stove up after an afternoon of splitting firewood or clearing brush.

I need to reach out to Pat Mac to buy his Combat Strength Training book & pick his brain about the best way forward, as I know he's had to deal with recovering from both injuries & surgeries.
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Sent you PM re: Pat Mac's CST.

Also check out Hard to Kill Fitness (https://hardtokillfitness.co/products/tactical-athlete-bodyweight-training-plan)
 
Was listening to a Dr a while back that feels the best way to determine health is blood work. If you miss the normal marks but blood work is OK that's fine with him. I bet most folks are not doing that though. And in my case, I've lost weight and exercise more and my blood work is still kind of jacked up.
 
Timfoilhat said:
"Yes, you can be overweight and healthy, according to the National Institutes of Health's 1998 report, Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults.

People who are overweight can be considered healthy if their waist size is less than 35 inches for women or 40 inches for men, and if they do not have two or more of the following conditions.

High blood pressure
High blood sugar
High cholesterol

The guidelines point out that overweight people should not gain additional weight, and, preferably, should lose a few pounds. Other risk factors, such as smoking, also affect whether a person is considered healthy."
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YAY! I'M HEALTHY!
but yeah, i'm trying to lose some weight. I used to be 180 of mostly muscle, after knee surgery 14yrs ago that changed. Most recently i was a very doughy 210.
5'7"
found out i'm back down to 194, and i may or may not have had a few donuts to celebrate.
and that, right there, is my problem. I can't work it off like i used to back when i was doing construction and working out for 2-3hrs a day 3 days a week.
 
Medical professionals (physicians, nutritionists, physiologists, exercise science) still are not in total agreement with how much body fat is OK and what (if any) cut off there is between being 'healthy' and 'unhealthy.' For that reason alone, the BMI ain't going away as a screening tool to determine, algorithmically, if a person is OK or if they need follow up and/or resources. There is a sweet spot: 'normal range' weight and body fat percentage, good cardiovascular health, good muscoskeletal health, and good labs. But if any of these gets off kilter, the whole thing can get off track.

Science is slaying sacred cows all the time. It used to be that cardiovascular health was tied to aerobic capacity: runners and walkers have better predictors for CV health. Now we know, while it can be true that aerobic functioning can predict outcomes, that MS (muscoskeletal) endurance is a better predictor of CV health (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2724778), by measuring capacity to do push ups.

Correlations are easy, though: fat people tend to eat too much, the wrong things, and not exercise, and have crappy health as a result. That is the bell curve in action. There are skinny unhealthy and fat healthy, and they are on the ends of the bell curve and usually outliers.
 
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