Is this why 1911 guys and Glock guys can’t get along?

keepcalmandcarryon

keepcalmandcarryon

Well-Known Member
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2022
Messages
1,961
Location
Moncure
Rating - 100%
2   0   0
With all the talk around Tisas 1911’s I decided to see what the internet had to say. While doing so I came up with a theory why Glock and 1911 guys can not get along-we have completely different standards of what “reliable” is. Watching HRFUNK’s videos on the Tisas Raider there was a long laundry list of failures-any one of which if happened on a Glock, CZ, S&W would set the internet on fire but are simply shrugged off as normal.
For me the expectation is take it out of the box, fire 500 rounds without failure, clean, another 500 rounds without failure clean then ready to go in the carry rotation. I have sone this with several pistols and it is not an impossible benchmark.

For the 600 round update here were the failures (with time stamps)

4:23 Rant on cleaning
4:48 failure to feed hollow points
6:00 stoppages
8:14 plunger tube spring replacement to fix slide stop activation on loaded mag
10:00 Cerakote finish problems
10:25 safety scratching frame
11:00 “burnishing” of locking lugs
11:30 barrel feed ramp polish
12:34 grips get loose
13:01 finish wear

at 1000 round review

2:28 stoppages
3:22 Blazer brass ammo failure to feed
5:29. need of plenty of lube to work
9:41 accuracy (or lack there of)
21:20 failure to lock back on last round
27:55 slide stop wear
28:50 barrel bushing wear
29:40 3/8” loss of length of recoil spring



 
This has not been my experience at all with the 1911 platform. I don't think it's quite accurate to judge the platform based on the performance of a cheap Turkish built pistol. A Tisas product does not equal a Colt product. It's not comparable at all to a Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, or many other makers.

I like the 1911 and the Glock models. Each has it's strength and weaknesses. The 1911 platform was designed 119 years ago. It's reliability is outstanding if it's built well. I own 2 that have never had a single malfunction as well as 3 Glock models that have also never had a failure.

Your experience was with a Tisas pistol, so your judgement is limited to the Tisas product. It certainly does not qualify as a judgement of the entire platform.
 
So, how does this explain why 1911 and Glock people can't get along?

Glocks are made by one company. If Kia made a Glock, tha's the one ya oughta compare to a Tisas!

And you still would have no information on why 1911 and Glock people can't get along.
 
They do get along just fine. There are just the few outspoken barkers that demand people agree with their perspectives and personal tastes, and if you don’t you are to be ridiculed. The vast majority of gun owners I know like and use all sorts of platforms and lead happy lives letting others do the same without butting in.
 
MacEntyre said:
So, how does this explain why 1911 and Glock people can't get along?

Glocks are made by one company. If Kia made a Glock, tha's the one ya oughta compare to a Tisas!

And you still would have no information on why 1911 and Glock people can't get along.
Click to expand...

I own zero Glocks. I have friends that own several/many Glocks. Go figure. 😄
 
B00ger said:
They do get along just fine. There are just the few outspoken barkers that demand people agree with their perspectives and personal tastes, and if you don’t you are to be ridiculed. The vast majority of gun owners I know like and use all sorts of platforms and lead happy lives letting others do the same without butting in.
Click to expand...

Seriously, I know heathens that don’t own any CZ’s, but we still get along. Those folks are ill in the head, but I still like them well enough. I just feel bad for them.
 
MacEntyre said:
Glocks are made by one company. If Kia made a Glock, tha's the one ya oughta compare to a Tisas!
Click to expand...
Bingo.

CZfool68 said:
I’m not sure that vilifying all 1911’s based on Tisas is really a solid idea. That’s like trashing all Fords because of the Pinto.
Click to expand...
And bingo.

As many times as I've been part of this discussion...here goes again.

The problem with the current crop of off the rack 1911s isn't with the design. The problem is with the executtion of the design. With so many clone makers vying for a piece of the pie...and every one of them seeming to feel that blueprint specs are suggestions...it's little wonder than there's trouble in paradise.

When a shade tree mechanic throws an engine together, is anybody really surprised to find that it often doesn't run as well or last as long as the same engine produced by an automaker?

CCannonJr said:
The 1911 platform was designed 119 years ago. It's reliability is outstanding if it's built well.
Click to expand...
And, that's why Gaston's dream team copied it. The two pistols operate exactly the same way, for the same reasons.
They're more alike than they are different.

Hence, my mantra:

The 1911 pistol was designed to function. If it's built to spec and fed decent ammunition from a proper magazine, it WILL function. It's a machine. It doesn't have a choice.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
With all the talk around Tisas 1911’s I decided to see what the internet had to say. While doing so I came up with a theory why Glock and 1911 guys can not get along-we have completely different standards of what “reliable” is.
Click to expand...

Nah. You're over thinking this.

Us 1911 guys think Glocks are ugly as sin and won't own an ugly gun.

Glock bois are all wrapped up in themselves thinking Glock was an innovator (he wasn't, he just repackaged a lot of innovations others had already come up with into his own design and made it look as ugly as possible in the process) and think everybody else, especially 1911 guys, are Boomer Fudds.

That about sums it up, really.
 
Last edited:
OR you can get this 1911 obamanation that takes Glock 17 mags.

1911 Platypus - Stealth Arms

The 1911 Platypus™️ is Stealth Arms’ new double-stack pistol based on the 1911 platform. Compatible with Glock® style magazines. With our online builder you become the designer!
www.stealtharms.net www.stealtharms.net
The website only used computer drawings of this pistol, so
it looks sketchy to me.
 
Last edited:
keepcalmandcarryon said:
yes, he gave the pistol a glowing review. To be honest for a 1911 it ran about the way you would expect so I don’t fault him for his praise.
Click to expand...
I'm trying to ask honest questions and you just want to be a jerk. Are you still mad at your daddy about something?
 
MacEntyre said:
That says it all. This thread may now be closed.
Click to expand...
Well...not really.

The one constant that I've noticed is that all too often, one guy will have a bad experience with one pistol...report it loudly and often...and a hundred others will use that loud report to believe/claim/prove that every example of that particular design is the same as the one being loudly reported on, ignoring or chalking up to "fluke" the thousands that seem to do just fine.

All I can say is that I must've been one hella lucky hillbilly with the probably 200 1911 pistols and variants that have passed through my hands...excluding the ones that Bubba and Dremel Dan worked their magic on before they came into my possession...and most of those were pretty simple to set right.
 
Last edited:
Sadly 1k is more than the average gun owner will shoot in a lifetime.

But I do think there's some truth to this, even if it all just comes down to budget. The newest line of Taurus pistols actually run, the PSA daggers generally run. These can all be had for half the price of a budget 1911, that will probably struggle. I've always heard the TRP is really the entry level 1911 of you want one that will be reliable.

whatever, who cares, go shoot and git gud.
 
I own a lot of Glocks and a lot of 1911s.

I expect my Glocks to be 100%. I expect Glock clones to be 95%. I expect my 1911s to be fun to dry fire and shoot at the range.

They serve different purposes, at least for me. My glocks are fun to shoot too, but they're more "tactical" with their optics, surefires, and suppressors.
 
Last edited:
I still have a bet with @BatteryOaksBilly about the reliability of a 9mm 1911. I don’t recall if I was supposed to get it to 500 or 1000 rounds fired without a stoppage. Need to dig through old threads and then actually get to it.

I’ve held a glock, but never fired one. Don’t love the look and it didn’t point well for me. Obviously I could have trained to improve, I just wasn’t excited about doing so. No hate for folks that enjoy them.

FWIW, the Glock 1911 was built by a guy on the 1911 forum mostly as a joke, probably been 10 years now and I wouldn’t be surprised if other folks have done the same.

Edit: had one colt commander that was a mess. Dremel Dan had been at it, it was over sprung and had a number of other problems. New springs, an afternoon with black coffee and @John Travis, a little file here and rub there, and it’s a great gun. Need to get a new barrel because so much of the chamber was ground away by Dan, but it hasn’t blown up with moderate loads.
 
Last edited:
Its like the end of the movie "Hancock," this is what happens when 1911s and Glocks get together.

 
Glock is a brand name. 1911 is a model. More accurate would have been Glock vs Colt or… 1911 vs plastic pistol. Etc. I have one of each and love them both . Glock gets my 9mm fun time and the Colt 1911 I’ve had for 33 years gets the 45 playtime. I’d carry either one with confidence.
 
I think I figured out while having some quality windshield time today. Bear with me on this, I’ll get there.

So we all had the friend that was dating the ugly chick at school right? When you are young that guy boasts about how good she is as certain things. Or a thing. And everyone knows what that thing is. Then we got older and there is still always a guy dating the really ugly girl. Now the story is yeah, she’s no model, but she has a great personality. He marries her and buy her a Camaro to dress her up a bit. Eventually that guy with the ugly chick starts to attack all the other girls for being snobby, high maintenance, biatches etc. Because deep down in his soul no matter what else goes on around that poor guy he always knows he settled for the ugly chick. Some people just can’t live with that I guess.

Just own it. It’s ok. Ugly girls need love too.
 
CZfool68 said:
I think I figured out while having some quality windshield time today. Bear with me on this, I’ll get there.

So we all had the friend that was dating the ugly chick at school right? When you are young that guy boasts about how good she is as certain things. Or a thing. And everyone knows what that thing is. Then we got older and there is still always a guy dating the really ugly girl. Now the story is yeah, she’s no model, but she has a great personality. He marries her and buy her a Camaro to dress her up a bit. Eventually that guy with the ugly chick starts to attack all the other girls for being snobby, high maintenance, biatches etc. Because deep down in his soul no matter what else goes on around that poor guy he always knows he settled for the ugly chick. Some people just can’t live with that I guess.

Just own it. It’s ok. Ugly girls need love too.
Click to expand...
So now it’s Camaro vs….?
 
CZfool68 said:
I think I figured out while having some quality windshield time today. Bear with me on this, I’ll get there.

So we all had the friend that was dating the ugly chick at school right? When you are young that guy boasts about how good she is as certain things. Or a thing. And everyone knows what that thing is. Then we got older and there is still always a guy dating the really ugly girl. Now the story is yeah, she’s no model, but she has a great personality. He marries her and buy her a Camaro to dress her up a bit. Eventually that guy with the ugly chick starts to attack all the other girls for being snobby, high maintenance, biatches etc. Because deep down in his soul no matter what else goes on around that poor guy he always knows he settled for the ugly chick. Some people just can’t live with that I guess.

Just own it. It’s ok. Ugly girls need love too.
Click to expand...

What year was the Camaro and do you still have it?
 
Pineapple said:
What year was the Camaro and do you still have it?
Click to expand...

Ha, never had a Camaro. If I was to have.want a Camaro I think it would have to be something from the late 60’s. I’m no expert but those seem to be the best looking versions. I think the ugly chicks get those fugly mid 80’s Camaro’s with T-tops.
 
I like a bunch of different guns, including 1911's. Some of the nicest guns I've ever shot were 1911's and 2011's. The numbers "1911" covers a huge gamut of pistols in many calibers.

When I decided to take up centerfire shooting seriously I found I had to make a choice between 2011 platform and something else.
I chose CZ instead. It had more options that were in my price range. And they were more designed around the cartridge I chose.
Never regretted that choice. Although I still do admire 2011's and if money were no object would have one or two.
I maintain one 1911 in .45 in my modest collection.

I have 3 Grocks, too. Perfect carry guns. I shoot them sparingly, treat them badly, and they just sit there in their holsters, never a complaint.
My CZ's slaughter the Glocks in pure shooting enjoyment and equal them in reliability. But Glocks ain't going anywhere. Wouldn't mind adding another one or two!
 
When you have an interesting 1911, you can take it to @John Travis and have a nice afternoon visit learning things and making it work well.

With Glocks, it's hard to find an interesting one, and there's no flat picker to help you make work well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Me.
CZfool68 said:
I’m not sure that vilifying all 1911’s based on Tisas is really a solid idea. That’s like trashing all Fords because of the Pinto.
Click to expand...
Actually that sounds about as reliable as every Ford I’ve owned.

And I’m a Ford guy…
 
Once again the op starts a thread bashing a certain gun, compares it to others, and that comparison makes zero sense.
 
MacEntyre said:
When you have an interesting 1911, you can take it to @John Travis and have a nice afternoon visit learning things and making it work well.
Click to expand...
Many years ago, I acquired a local reputation for being a "tuner" due to one factor and the circumstances surrounding it. Maybe I'll tell that story one day.


MacEntyre said:
With Glocks, it's hard to find an interesting one, and there's no flat picker to help you make work well.
Click to expand...
Not long after the appearance of CCI's aluminum cased Blazer ammunition, I learned Glock's little secret to its legendary, (nearly) perfect feed reliability...and now, whenever somebody hands one to me to "try out" I politely decline.

And, I haven't flat picked since the 70s when I got started tryin' to break Merle Travis's code...with some success, I might add. I finally laid it down after my fingers and left wrist got too stiff to deal with his knuckle bustin' chord shapes. I miss it sometimes.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom