Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you are armed

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Guessing they walked back to their truck with unloaded weapons and the BG’s were armed & waiting so they had the element of surprise. I wonder if a ccw would have helped the hunters in this situation. I have a handful more questions, this just sounds crazy.
 
I take the shell out of the chamber on my 870 but I leave the two in the magazine. There are days I have a pistol inside my jacket pocket as well. I’m vulnerable putting the dog up because I’m concerned with him beside the road in the worst place I hunt. This is another good reason not to take off my waders until I’m home.
 
I empty the chamber also when walking back out of the swamp. If I'm in a boat and coming back to the ramp I empty the chamber and put the gun in my gun case. It would be real easy for someone to get the drop on me.
 
CCW would be the answer here. An LCP stuck in the top center pocket in the waders would have came as a real surprise to the perps.
 
The article states one hunter was shot. Maybe he resisted. Maybe he went for his gun. I never had my gun loaded to or from a duck blind in the boat. Could have happened to me easily.

I have some crazy duck hunting stories that includes duck hunters shooting at another set of duck hunters when both were in wooden blinds.
 
It’s also Maple Hill which is arguably the roughest area in Pender county. There are good people there but on the backroads it’s thug country.
 
We used to hunt an old cut down on the outskirts of Lumberton. Loaded before walkin in and unloaded right before we got in the truck to leave. Never knew what we might walk up on and weren't going to get caught with our pants down.

Tailhunter said:
The barrel on my Benelli would have been hot.
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SBEII, fast as you can pull the trigger. ;)
 
Infamous1 said:
CCW would be the answer here. An LCP stuck in the top center pocket in the waders would have came as a real surprise to the perps.
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Or a SIG P365 which shoots a real combat round and more of it. With the 12rd mag and a good Gold Dot short barrel round...you have a decent chance against multiperps, what say ye @BatteryOaksBilly? Maybe 2[emoji57][emoji848]? [emoji3]


@Johnny ain't this your AO?
 
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Pink_Vapor said:
"If anyone knows where Tyrese Daquon Lee is, contact the Pender County Sheriff’s Office (910) 259-1212 or call 911."
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Oh no! It can’t be Tyrese! He a good boy, he’s turning his life around! He’s going places! He goes to church every Sunday! They be pickin on him! It’s just racist!
 
I don't think I ever unloaded my shotgun until I got back to the truck while hunting. I was more worried about 4-legged critters in those days, since wild dogs, bobcats, and foxes were always around. I had heard enough stories about rabid animals that I always wanted to be loaded and hot.

Now remember, I haven't hunted but twice in 30 or so years, so my memory could be fading.
 
How you handle/transport your shotgun out of the field is going to dictate what it’s loaded status will be. Whenever we duck hunt we usually hunt until shooting time is over, unload, put in cases and load in the boat to head to the dock.

I could see someone walking out of the field might want to keep is loaded and ready in case of last minute critters of any variety.


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I just can’t imagine being surprised if they were on the side of the road which looks likely considering where the swamp is in that area. I’m always looking hard on the way out. I’ve been surprised by the game warden before and like seeing him first.
 
This is what happens when you are in Mental Awareness Condition White. They never had a chance.

Cooper’s Color Codes of Mental Awareness​

WHITE - Unaware and unprepared. If attacked in Condition White, the only thing that may save you is the inadequacy or ineptitude of your attacker. When confronted by something nasty, your reaction will probably be "Oh my God! This can't be happening to me."



YELLOW - Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself". You are simply aware that the world is a potentially unfriendly place and that you are prepared to defend yourself, if necessary. You use your eyes and ears, and realize that "I may have to shoot today". You don't have to be armed in this state, but if you are armed you should be in Condition Yellow. You should always be in Yellow whenever you are in unfamiliar surroundings or among people you don't know. You can remain in Yellow for long periods, as long as you are able to "Watch your six." (In aviation 12 o'clock refers to the direction in front of the aircraft's nose. Six o'clock is the blind spot behind the pilot). In Yellow, you are "taking in" surrounding information in a relaxed but alert manner, like a continuous 360 degree radar sweep. As Cooper put it, "I might have to shoot."



ORANGE - Specific alert. Something is not quite right and has your attention. Your radar has picked up a specific alert. You shift your primary focus to determine if there is a threat (but you do not drop your six). Your mindset shifts to "I may have to shoot that person today", focusing on the specific target which has caused the escalation in alert status. In Condition Orange, you set a mental trigger: "If that person does "X", I will need to stop them". Your pistol usually remains holstered in this state. Staying in Orange can be a bit of a mental strain, but you can stay in it for as long as you need to. If the threat proves to be nothing, you shift back to Condition Yellow.



RED - Condition Red is fight. Your mental trigger (established back in Condition Orange) has been tripped. "If "X" happens I will shoot that person".
 
Ikarus1 said:
Or a SIG P365 which shoots a real combat round and more of it. With the 12rd mag and a good Gold Dot short barrel round...you have a decent chance against multiperps, what say ye @BatteryOaksBilly? Maybe 2[emoji57][emoji848]? [emoji3]


@Johnny ain't this your AO?
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I like the way you think Ole Pard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BlackGun said:
My senses tell me these two have criminal records. They also tell me they got away with other crimes which led to such a bold criminal act.
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People do Shiite because they got away with it the last time. This spreads from the armed robber to the Ill Tempered AH behind the counter.

An insult unanswered is the Mother of another.
Downeast said:
This is what happens when you are in Mental Awareness Condition White. They never had a chance.

Cooper’s Color Codes of Mental Awareness​

WHITE - Unaware and unprepared. If attacked in Condition White, the only thing that may save you is the inadequacy or ineptitude of your attacker. When confronted by something nasty, your reaction will probably be "Oh my God! This can't be happening to me."



YELLOW - Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself". You are simply aware that the world is a potentially unfriendly place and that you are prepared to defend yourself, if necessary. You use your eyes and ears, and realize that "I may have to shoot today". You don't have to be armed in this state, but if you are armed you should be in Condition Yellow. You should always be in Yellow whenever you are in unfamiliar surroundings or among people you don't know. You can remain in Yellow for long periods, as long as you are able to "Watch your six." (In aviation 12 o'clock refers to the direction in front of the aircraft's nose. Six o'clock is the blind spot behind the pilot). In Yellow, you are "taking in" surrounding information in a relaxed but alert manner, like a continuous 360 degree radar sweep. As Cooper put it, "I might have to shoot."



ORANGE - Specific alert. Something is not quite right and has your attention. Your radar has picked up a specific alert. You shift your primary focus to determine if there is a threat (but you do not drop your six). Your mindset shifts to "I may have to shoot that person today", focusing on the specific target which has caused the escalation in alert status. In Condition Orange, you set a mental trigger: "If that person does "X", I will need to stop them". Your pistol usually remains holstered in this state. Staying in Orange can be a bit of a mental strain, but you can stay in it for as long as you need to. If the threat proves to be nothing, you shift back to Condition Yellow.



RED - Condition Red is fight. Your mental trigger (established back in Condition Orange) has been tripped. "If "X" happens I will shoot that person".
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These should be put up where they can be seen every time you sign on here.
 
BlackGun said:
My senses tell me these two have criminal records. They also tell me they got away with other crimes which led to such a bold criminal act.
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Ding, ding, ding!

We'll address every issue but the personal responsibility angle. If these two were buried in that same swamp, their recidivism rate would drop to near 0%.
 
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