Is there a gen 3 coming? Gen2s are now down to 280$ and they were 400 and more just a year ago? Are they perhaps adding the rotating barrel shroud of the CQB model to the regular model? Anybody heard anything about that?
CZ please.Here’s to hoping they actually produce some of the non-Glock magazine models
Here’s to hoping they actually produce some of the non-Glock magazine models
I'm not seeing a P10C model.
Yes you are correct.I'm not seeing a P10C model.
I agree, got a ton of CZ-52 mags that need a little change of scenery!CZ please.
Valid until March 2024, they extended it out.Do the gen2 still have that hundy dolla rebate? Now it makes sense why the gen2s were so cheap for so long.
And I sniffed that out a few months ago! That is exactly what I suspected.SUB2000 GEN3 - KelTec
The SUB2000 GEN3 9mm pistol-caliber carbine. It takes Glock 17 and Glock 19 magazines and folds completely in half!www.keltecweapons.com
Seems the foreend rotates 90 degrees now to better allow optics. Explains the rebate on the Gen 2s for the last few months.
Kel-Tec Sub2000 GEN3 9mm Luger 16.15in Black Semi Automatic Modern Sporting Rifle - 15+1 Rounds
Kel-Tec Sub2000 GEN3 9mm Luger 16.15in Black Semi Automatic Modern Sporting Rifle - 15+1 Rounds - Introducing the 9mm SUB2000 GEN3. The most significant new twist? Literally, the single twist-and-fold motion of the patent-pending rotating forend. Release the barrel assembly with a button, twist...www.sportsmans.com
So on the gen 2 they had several configs I believe it was "GLK17, GLK19, M&P, S&W59, Beretta92, SIG226." It remains to be seen if they will do that again with the gen3. I suspect with the prevalence of Glock mags they may just stick with that one.Dang it that’s the one that takes Glock mags. While I’m heavily invested Glock mags, I still would like options.
I may have gotten confused. I was thinking they offered 2 models. 1 that takes Glock mags. And 1 that had the parts to use numerous other manufactures’ mags. My Google-Fu is not working and I cannot find the answer.
So I was correct after all! Note that they ditched the iron sights.Kel-Tec Sub2000 GEN3 9mm Luger 16.15in Black Semi Automatic Modern Sporting Rifle - 15+1 Rounds
Kel-Tec Sub2000 GEN3 9mm Luger 16.15in Black Semi Automatic Modern Sporting Rifle - 15+1 Rounds - Introducing the 9mm SUB2000 GEN3. The most significant new twist? Literally, the single twist-and-fold motion of the patent-pending rotating forend. Release the barrel assembly with a button, twist...www.sportsmans.com
It’s here!
Good eye! didn’t even notice that.So I was correct after all! Note that they ditched the iron sights.
I suppose since Smith and Wesson brought out both the FPC and the Response without irons they felt it was time to let them go.Good eye! didn’t even notice that.
It also looks the the hand guard is longer. They probably used the space where the front sight post use to be as a bearing surface for the hand guard rotation.I suppose since Smith and Wesson brought out both the FPC and the Response without irons they felt it was time to let them go.
Quoting my own post because I didn't want to add significantly to one that had already been liked.Not impressed. Prefer the gen 2. This a a cure for a nonexistent problem.
The best thing about and what defines the Sub2k IMO is its incredible compactness. With it folded it will slide under a car seat or into a briefcase no problem. Once you mount an optic and twist it out of plane with the rest of the gun that goes out the window.
A better solution for an optic is a compact red dot on a QD mount that you store on the bottom rail. That way you can still get in the action quickly with the iron sights without having to twist anything, and move the optic to the top rail if/when necessary or convenient. I've done this and it holds zero well enough, probably as good as that twisting mechanism does.
Or you could remain pure to the original concept of a super light super simple super compact carbine and forget about optics.
The reality is red dots have become so inexpensive, reliable with incredible battery life iron sights are no longer desirable on rifles. The vast, vast majority of rifles I see at the range and in competitive environment have optics.Quoting my own post because I didn't want to add significantly to one that had already been liked.
I really think they screwed the pooch here. By removing the iron sights they are forcing you to mount an optic and forcing you to rotate it out of plane when folded. They have just killed the ability to store the Sub2k in many places it would fit before, like the aforementioned briefcase or car seat. To me that was the big draw and an advantage it retained over the S&W.
By copying the S&W they have now made a direct competition that the Sub2k only wins on price. The S&W arguably wins in every other area such as quality of materials and fit & finish.
Sad to see the demise of the most compact carbine ever, able to be stored and instantly employed in places few would consider. Thinking of picking up another before the gen 2 is gone.
What were they thinking? 🤬
That makes sense for a typical rifle/carbine, but the Sub2k is all about compact storage. Otherwise why would you choose a Sub2k over a Ruger PCC for example? It's not ergonomic, hard to get a sight picture, etc. They traded their complete superiority in the compact storage area for a me too feature and now they have nothing unique or advantageous over the competition.The reality is red dots have become so inexpensive, reliable with incredible battery life iron sights are no longer desirable on rifles. The vast, vast majority of rifles I see at the range and in competitive environment have optics.
It does not make any sense adding a feature vast majority of people do not use.
Bru, we are talking Keltec here…complete superiority
I don't think the optics add that much to how much room it needs, it's just not as flat anymore.Quoting my own post because I didn't want to add significantly to one that had already been liked.
I really think they screwed the pooch here. By removing the iron sights they are forcing you to mount an optic and forcing you to rotate it out of plane when folded. They have just killed the ability to store the Sub2k in many places it would fit before, like the aforementioned briefcase or car seat. To me that was the big draw and an advantage it retained over the S&W.
By copying the S&W they have now made a direct competition that the Sub2k only wins on price. The S&W arguably wins in every other area such as quality of materials and fit & finish.
Sad to see the demise of the most compact carbine ever, able to be stored and instantly employed in places few would consider. Thinking of picking up another before the gen 2 is gone.
What were they thinking? 🤬
Well that's the main point. It may only gain a few square inches of additional volume with an optic, but the optic destroys the one measurement that let the Sub2k fit in so many inconspicuous places. It's only about 1.5 inches wide. Now it's 3-4 inches wide and there is nothing you can do about it, except possibly running flip up BUIS on the rail instead of an optic. That would be problematic too I think because they would have to be on risers, due to the straight bolt tube you need additional hight to get a sight picture.I don't think the optics add that much to how much room it needs, it's just not as flat anymore.