Kommifornia's New Ammo Law Goes Into Effect

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  1. SCshooter57

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    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...un-law-expands-background-checks-14065231.php

    The new system, which was pushed by then-Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, essentially treats purchasing bullets like purchasing a firearm, according to its backers.

    Here’s how it works: Most people purchasing ammunition who own a legal firearm on record will present their ID to a licensed vendor and pay $1. Those who aren’t in the system will pay a $19 background-check fee, which may trigger a waiting period of a few days and will allow them to make a single ammunition purchase within 30 days. The California Department of Justice’s automated system will match the individual with a list of registered gun owners, as well as its Automated Firearms System database, which flags whether the buyer has been banned from possessing guns.

    In addition to performing the background check, vendors as of Monday also are required to share their point-of-sale information with the state Justice Department, which will store it in a tracking system and cross-reference the list with one of prohibited possessors.

    Wow. Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves.
     
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    That ought’a put an end to gun-related crime, once and for all.

    It should soon be safe enough to move back. :confused:
     
  3. Tim

    Tim I am....an enchanter. Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    This chart is not a joke...it's actually a guide on how to buy a box of ammo in California now.



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    Tim I am....an enchanter. Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    tanstaafl72555 This account has been permanently banned Life Member

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    Holy cow.
     
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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    black market and reloading will fill the need. Or just drive across to one of the 2 free states (AZ and NV) it shares a border with. Oh and I would buy anything but lead-free while I'm breaking the law
     
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    So it looks like if a US citizen is visiting Kommiforia, they can't buy ammo either. I'll never visit there again.

    CD
     
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    Q: how they gonna know when or how or where you purchased ammo (with cash)
    A: They don't.

    It's basically unenforceable, similar to the NY Safe act. And will be tied up in courts costing California's more money.
     
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    Doesn't have to "work" to actually work. It's shutting down all the easy sources of ammo, which means that prices will go up.

    All these laws are to push the "casual" person away from getting into shooting. If everything is hard to get, expensive and tied up with lots of waiting/tests/whatever then less people will get into guns. The less gun owners, the easier it is to pass more restrictive legislation because the number of gun people is declining over time.

    In the end, there will be only two groups of people, the rich/dedicated shooters, or those that don't have to care about the laws (.gov and criminals). That's how the liberal elite like it.
     
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    are reloading supplies purchases fall under this CA law?
     
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    no, at least not yet
     
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    Non residents can't buy or possess ammo in MA either.

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    Or Chicago. Even with a Badge!
     
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    Let’s see how long this expensive system works before they go broke from being overworked, unreliable and a shortage of humans to oversee it. Jus sayin...
     
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    Hammer21b I'm you're Huckleberry

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    Depleted uranium!
     
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    Wish that were true, but .gov just prints money out of thin air to keep crap programs like this afloat.
     
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    Oops, I didn’t know there was a restriction in Chicago, sent 2 guys and a girl about 15k rounds, all pistol ammo, two years ago.

    How am I, as a resident of NC, supposed to keep up with the laws of other states that interfere with interstate commerce. Just seems unworkable.

    As for CA, this is gonna be a huge money making opportunity for organized crime.
     
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    georgel Behind Every Blade of Grass

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    They'll just raise taxes to pay for it. :rolleyes:
     
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    Get a pallet of ammo, drive to CA, sell it :D
     
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    That's not how .Gov works. We all know it.

    The dept in charge of this will list those reasons when someone gets so fed up they call to speak to a rep...

    "Sorry, this is how it is. Not to worry, next term there will be another tax hike". "Vote it in so we can add more staff to decide/process, your constitutional right(s) we have curtailed through legislation, with rules, fees and fines if you want it to be quicker". ""Til then, pound sand"
     
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    Then they’ll train lead sniffing dogs to guard all their borders against the states, yet leave the southern border wide open.
     
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    F’ that.

    I’d be making runs across the border. There comes a point where the only solution to overreach is widespread non-compliance.
     
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    I think part of enforcement will be forcing indoor/outdoor ranges to only allow the unleaded rounds, or face loosing the license to operate.
     
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    Not so far, but a club that I used to belong to in SoCal that operated on leased ground from the USFS was told that they had to remove all of the expended lead bullets in the backstop mounds. The owner of the club told them to buy out his lease because he wasn't going to do it. Stand off so far.
     
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    Haha. Inspired again by a California law to make another case of ammo purchase.
     
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    Can't wait to see how black that market is.
     
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    Haha. Inspired again by a California law to make another case of ammo purchase.
    If I lived in a neighboring state I would have ammo stores like those South Carolina fireworks stores on the border.
     
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    That’s true but Kommiefornia ain’t big gov. They’re on the verge of being bankrupt now!
     
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    They had an earthquake there. As far as I know, not one worthless Kommiefornia man, woman, or child died. What a waste of a good earthquake. :(
     
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    That's pretty f*cking callous, dude.
     
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    They see that as a feature.
     
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    What is really sad is that your tax dollars is supporting this regime.
     
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    II am proud to say I can't live long enough to shoot up all the ammo I have on hand. Ya'll need to get to buying.
     
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    The Winchester widow believed she'd live as long as she continued building out the mansion. I have the same philosophy about buying ammo. ;)
     
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    I was on Tacoma World and had a guy from CA telling me about this yesterday. Hard to believe. It just goes to show what they will do if we give them power.
     
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    They forgot to mandate ammo sold in CA needs a sticker on the box, just like the cigarette and liquor tax stamps.
     
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    And they will have checkpoints coming back into the state.Already happened where they were recording CA plates at a Vegas show and were promptly stopped at said check point and confiscated.
     
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    Don't give them any ideas!

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    Never go to this state, never buy any product made or brown in this state.

    I will vote with my dollars.
     
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