M1 Garand

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I am going to look at a WWII Springfield M1 Garand. Not sure what the value should be. I was told it is all original with some accessories.

What do you think it should go for?

He also has 2 Polytec Chinese guns. One is their version of an AK47 and the other is their version on the M14. Anybody know anything about these guns?
 
Garands are all over the place with price. And depending on your level of collecting them determines "worth". If you are buying a shooters, then price should be determined by CMPs current value of around $850 IMO.
"All original" also has a few meanings. Is it original parts when the current owner got it, or does original mean WW2 era parts, or does original mean that the rifle has all correct era parts in it with correct matching manufactures parts.
Again, depending what you are looking for will determine its actual worth. But the seller may feel that their all matching numbers and correct era parts rifle is more valuable to them than you think a shooter is worth.
 
I went to see the gun and was disappointed that someone has painted the stock green. The gun seems to be in good condition except a small crack in the wood on the handguard and there was about a 1/16" of play in the grip. Is that normal?
He had a bunch of ammo in 8 round clips. Maybe 30 clips. Here is a link to some pictures of the gun.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GxSJDuqWfzgK2FQK7
 
Remember... buy the gun and not the story. Any claims about the rifle being a "Iwo Jima bring back, Patton's personal M1, etc." need to be backed up with documentation.

edit - Just looked at your pics. The rifle seems to be in OK shape, but a replacement stock will set you back $150-$200. That is, unless you want to spend the time stripping and refinishing. If he's claiming "all original", then have him fill out a data sheet on it. Easy to tell what's original and what's not at that point

 
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If I read the when it was born chart right, I think it was made in June of 44
 
Chinese ak prices vary wildly based on what it is. Beware that the man behind iron wood is dead now if he selling you a weird postban with non standard furniture.
 
Also, just heard in the video that was posted, "it's a 308" if that comment is about the M1, then that isn't "original". I have read positive reviews on the 308s as shooters, but no personal experience. Id off $700 on that rifle and walk if they didn't accept.
 
What is on the left side of the barrel?
Looks like an importers mark.
Ron, here is a picture of the left side of the barrel. It appears to have some rust and pitting on it. Hard to make out the stamp from this picture.
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Also, just heard in the video that was posted, "it's a 308" if that comment is about the M1, then that isn't "original". I have read positive reviews on the 308s as shooters, but no personal experience. Id off $700 on that rifle and walk if they didn't accept.
I mean very very very few m1s are orginals at this point
 
Nick above is correct. Nearly all Garands have been re-arsenaled at some point, so there is virtually no chance it is "all original". Odds are, they just mean that it is still in the condition that they got it. If you can get pictures, a "build sheet" or a detailed description, that would go a long way towards determining value. However, in general, serviceable Springfield Garands are still available through CMP - albeit with a current delivery wait time of 2-3 months. Field grades go for $650 and Service grades go for $750 from CMP, so that is the starting point for pricing. If you don't want to join the Garand Collectors Association online ($25), fill out 4 forms and wait several months for one from CMP, then figure out how much you think that is worth and add it to the price. The value can also go up on secondary, if they have any rare or desirable parts - assuming you and/or he are sophisticated enough to identify and price these parts appropriately. Without getting into specific rare parts, generally, if the rifle has original GI lockbar sights, you can probably add about $50 to the value. If it has an original single slot gas plug, then you can probably add another $25. If the op-rod is uncut, then maybe add another $25. If the stock has the original cartouches and inspector stamps, then you can add another $50. If it has a 3 or 4 digit serial number, that also generally increases the value somewhat, if that means anything to you.

For negatives, if the barrel is import marked (Blue Sky), then I'd likely pass unless it was cheap and/or immaculate. Blue Sky stamped some barrels so hard, it warped the bore and many other barrels (and rifles) were just in poor shape when imported. Also, if the serial number is 7,000,000 or above, it is a commercial (not GI) rifle and those have cast receivers and are not terribly desirable either.

As for condition, I'd look it over for obvious condition - preferably taken apart to inspect the individual parts for cracks/wear/damage. I'd look for rust/pitting on the receiver. I'd ask if it was originally a CMP rifle, and if so, if they have the certificate. I'd also ask if they know the throat and muzzle erosion numbers. I'd carry a borelight to inspect the chamber and rifling, and also carry 30-06 round to do the redneck muzzle test. I'd remove the trigger guard to see how tight the lock-up is. If it is loose, or too easy to remove, then that will negatively affect accuracy and is generally indicative of a lower grade rifle. I'd also remove the gas plug, and check to see if the gas tube is loose at all or tight. I'd do the "tilt test" to make sure the op-rod was not bent and would carry a caliper to check the tab and piston dimensions to ensure it was not worn down. Also, look really closely at the receiver to see if there are any signs that the receiver was a "re-weld". I'd also check the bottom of the barrel/receiver ring for evidence of a tack-weld indicating that the rifle was assembled from a recovered drill rifle. In the end, if the rifle is okay, then condition and market will drive the price.
 
Ron, here is a picture of the left side of the barrel. It appears to have some rust and pitting on it. Hard to make out the stamp from this picture.
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It looks like that might be a "Blue Sky" import mark on the barrel. And why in god's name is the front handguard green? Do you have any more pictures?

Edit: I saw the pictures. It looks like a typical import marked mixmaster. And I'd be worried about barrel/bore condition. If you have to re-barrel it (and I would if it is a Blue Sky), that's gonna be another $200. Unless you want to sand and refinish that stock (assuming it is even worth refinishing) that's another $100-$150. And at that point, you are already well over what a service grade would've run you through CMP. Personally, if I really wanted a project, I'd offer him $550, which is about the value of the receiver and the remaining useable parts minus the barrel (and what a "rack grade" from CMP would run) and tell him to let somebody else hold it if they are willing to pay more. But that is just my opinion.
 
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I got my rifle from CMP, at least you know what your are getting vs something that may have been abused or cobbled back together. They do ship them in a green case in a cardboard carton.
 
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I went to see the gun and was disappointed that someone has painted the stock green. The gun seems to be in good condition except a small crack in the wood on the handguard and there was about a 1/16" of play in the grip. Is that normal?
He had a bunch of ammo in 8 round clips. Maybe 30 clips. Here is a link to some pictures of the gun.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GxSJDuqWfzgK2FQK7
Ooooh. That changed everything I said to you earlier. Runaway.
 
Can you see any markings on the stock under the green paint? Even though it is painted, the stock could be worth something. But I would use the non-original green paint as a bargaining chip on price.

I would at least pull the trigger guard and pull the receiver out of the stock to check for rust and to make use that it had not been demilled and welded back together.

How much is the seller asking for the rifle?
 
Can you see any markings on the stock under the green paint? Even though it is painted, the stock could be worth something. But I would use the non-original green paint as a bargaining chip on price.

I would at least pull the trigger guard and pull the receiver out of the stock to check for rust and to make use that it had not been demilled and welded back together.

How much is the seller asking for the rifle?

$1,000
 
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So I read most of this. I too am in the market for a nice M1 Garand. You really need to decide what you want and what you want to pay an then go from there. Shooters maybe go from 800 - 1200. But even cmp doesn't offer the choicest stuff they get for sale direct anymore and put it up for auction. Some of the real collector grade all original stuff goes as high as 4-5K dollars so it really all depends what you plan to do with it and how deep your pockets are.
 
I have a Garand that I would consider parting with, as my eyes are not so good anymore and arthritis in my hands makes shooting less fun as well. I would like for someone more knowledgeable to look it over and give me a realistic idea of its value. It is all SA the best I can tell and dates to 1943, with an uncut op rod. The stock had a nasty gouge in it which I refinished myself and am not so happy with as it looks like polyurethane. I bought a Boyd's stock set to replace it, but have not installed it. It shoots well, but the trigger does not have that 2 stage feel that my first M1 had.
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I have a Garand that I would consider parting with, as my eyes are not so good anymore and arthritis in my hands makes shooting less fun as well. I would like for someone more knowledgeable to look it over and give me a realistic idea of its value. It is all SA the best I can tell and dates to 1943, with an uncut op rod. The stock had a nasty gouge in it which I refinished myself and am not so happy with as it looks like polyurethane. I bought a Boyd's stock set to replace it, but have not installed it. It shoots well, but the trigger does not have that 2 stage feel that my first M1 had.
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Cmp parts gun? The floor is 1k easy
 
I have a Garand that I would consider parting with, as my eyes are not so good anymore and arthritis in my hands makes shooting less fun as well. I would like for someone more knowledgeable to look it over and give me a realistic idea of its value. It is all SA the best I can tell and dates to 1943, with an uncut op rod. The stock had a nasty gouge in it which I refinished myself and am not so happy with as it looks like polyurethane. I bought a Boyd's stock set to replace it, but have not installed it. It shoots well, but the trigger does not have that 2 stage feel that my first M1 had.
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Any idea what you want for this?
 
Any idea what you want for this?
No, I am trying to learn more about its value. I bought this in 2010 at an auction of mostly farm equipment. There were only a few guns, and the Garand was the only rifle. There were a couple of old Hi Standard 22 pistols and a couple of old shotguns that went for over $1k each. DSC00015.JPG
 
No, I am trying to learn more about its value. I bought this in 2010 at an auction of mostly farm equipment. There were only a few guns, and the Garand was the only rifle. There were a couple of old Hi Standard 22 pistols and a couple of old shotguns that went for over $1k each.
It really depends on the overall condition. It is not a "correct" rifle, so it should at least track CMP pricing for the matching grade at the very bottom of the scale. If the muzzle/throat numbers are good, the receiver condition is good and everything else is in good aesthetic condition, then I'd guess it would equate to a CMP service grade, which start at $850 now. Then, you can add on extra value for rare/desirable parts, accuracy, etc.

As alluded to above, with CMP now months behind on delivering higher grade orders, and their dwindling supply overall, you seldom see any decent condition Garand in serviceable condition sell for less than $1000 on the secondary market. On the CMP forum, rifles like yours are regularly offered in the $1200-$1400 range. But that does not mean they always bring that. And local sales are almost always lower than national sites.

Just judging by the pictures above, assuming it is/was a CMP/DCM rifle, assuming service grade level barrel wear, and proper functioning and accuracy - and without having a detailed parts list for your rifle - I'd put it anywhere in the $800 - $1000 range for a quick local sale. If it has an import stamp on the barrel, you can drop that by about $200 across the range depending on the buyer. But that is just my opinion as a light collector and JCG match competitor. YMMV.
 
It really depends on the overall condition. It is not a "correct" rifle, so it should at least track CMP pricing for the matching grade at the very bottom of the scale. If the muzzle/throat numbers are good, the receiver condition is good and everything else is in good aesthetic condition, then I'd guess it would equate to a CMP service grade, which start at $850 now. Then, you can add on extra value for rare/desirable parts, accuracy, etc.

As alluded to above, with CMP now months behind on delivering higher grade orders, and their dwindling supply overall, you seldom see any decent condition Garand in serviceable condition sell for less than $1000 on the secondary market. On the CMP forum, rifles like yours are regularly offered in the $1200-$1400 range. But that does not mean they always bring that. And local sales are almost always lower than national sites.

Just judging by the pictures above, assuming it is/was a CMP/DCM rifle, assuming service grade level barrel wear, and proper functioning and accuracy - and without having a detailed parts list for your rifle - I'd put it anywhere in the $800 - $1000 range for a quick local sale. If it has an import stamp on the barrel, you can drop that by about $200 across the range depending on the buyer. But that is just my opinion as a light collector and JCG match competitor. YMMV.
I am a player at this point, however I too have to make money also. Are you open to a CASH offer?
 
I am a player at this point, however I too have to make money also. Are you open to a CASH offer?
You’ve claimed several times not to be a dealer, yet you are obviously buying estates to flip for profit (other threads) and making offers here explicitly with intent to profit. Even after the owner has told you it’s not for sale.
 
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You’ve claimed several times not to be a dealer, yet you are obviously buying estates to flip for profit (other threads) and making offers here explicitly with intent to profit. Even after the owner has told you it’s not for sale.
I am not a dealer, but I am unable to take a loss either.
 
I am not a dealer, but I am unable to take a loss either.
“Dealer” …. You may not have an FFL, but if you’re buying and concerned about taking a loss, you’re a dealer. And probably outside the law.
 
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