More 1911 heresy. Looking for a 5" in 9mm...

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This will be primarily for IDPA, and I'm not a fast shooter, so I don't want to part with more than around a grand. I shoot different guns at matches just for the fun and would like to add a 9mm 1911 to the stable.

My ideal setup would be 5", Novak style rear sights (not Bomar target sights, or GI), no rail, S & A style magwell, or I can add one.

I've looked at Colt, Springfield, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Para Ordnance, Rock Island, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, and Wilson Combat. My price range is the first seven, and probably not the last three. (forget Nighthawk)

Rock Island is the only maker who has one like I want.

http://armscor.com/firearms/rock-ser...andard-fs-9mm/

Did anyone else ever make one like this that I should be looking for?
 
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I just sold a DW Pointman 9. Great gun. If you are committed to a 9mm 1911 that is where I would go. Great value. Great trigger and quality overall. If you want to save some $$ and tweak some features buy a Colt for around $800 and put whatever money into it to get it how you want it. If you just want an accurate full size 9 there are CZ SP-01's out there. And Shadows. My CZ Custom SP-01 is every bit as accurate at my DW was for my skill level. For about 2/3 the cost.
 
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Mike Overlay I forgot to mention looking at STI, too. I've got a 1911 in .45 with the Bomar style rear sights, and I'd like this one to not have them. Looks like the two you mentioned are cut for Bomar style rear sights.
 
CZfool68;n94425 said:
I just sold a DW Pointman 9. Great gun. If you are committed to a 9mm 1911 that is where I would go. Great value. Great trigger and quality overall. If you want to save some $$ and tweak some features buy a Colt for around $800 and put whatever money into it to get it how you want it. If you just want an accurate full size 9 there are CZ SP-01's out there. And Shadows. My CZ Custom SP-01 is every bit as accurate at my DW was for my skill level. For about 2/3 the cost.
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I believe the DW also is cut for the Bomar style rear sight.
 
fieldgrade;n94426 said:
Mike Overlay I forgot to mention looking at STI, too. I've got a 1911 in .45 with the Bomar style rear sights, and I'd like this one to not have them. Looks like the two you mentioned are cut for Bomar style rear sights.
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Why no Bomar?
 
fieldgrade;n94431 said:
I believe the DW also is cut for the Bomar style rear sight.
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Yep. It is an adjustable bomar style. Not perfect for you, but I'd fondle one if possible before ruling it out. The DW's I have had are every bit as good as the Baer I own or the more expensive customs I have fondled. But if this is just a range and game toy then buy something cheaper and tweak it to your specs. Just depends on your use and goals.
 
fieldgrade;n94408 said:
...My ideal setup would be 5", Novak style rear sights (not Bomar target sights, or GI), no rail, S & A style magwell, or I can add one....
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Just for clarity.
 
fieldgrade;n94441 said:
Because I don't want another one. It's like having a goat chewed tin can on top of my gun.
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Hahaha! They are great for bullseye guys that reload and pretty crappy for everybody else. I don't own any at this point either so I get that point.
 
I'll say that I love the way I was able to adjust the Bomars on my SA Range Officer, because it shot a tad left out of the box, but I shot my dad's Colt Government with GI sights on Saturday and did pretty decent with it. So I was hoping I could find something middle of the road in 9mm, other than just the RIA.
 
Buy the rock island and with the cash you save buy spare mags and ammo, I've run one of the 45s for the last two years in idpa, and people turn their noses up till they see how it runs.
 
S4f;n94456 said:
Buy the rock island and with the cash you save buy spare mags and ammo, I've run one of the 45s for the last two years in idpa, and people turn their noses up till they see how it runs.
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You are not the first one to say that about RIAs, and I may end up doing just that if they are the only one's who make one in that configuration.
 
Armscor/RIA makes good stuff. It's quite a bit under your budget so you'll have plenty of room for additional magazines, magwell, ammo, etc.
 
S.A. range officer in 9mm. Added a Dawson f.o. front sight, Ed Brown msh/mag well and a Kimber ambi safety. Metalform and Brownell's 10 round mags work great and it goes in a Bladetech holster for IDPA meets.

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I think you answered you own question,

"Rock Island is the only maker who has one like I want."

No need to spend more money to get something that isn't exactly what you want. Add me to the list of RIA owners that is very pleased with his purchase.

I havent fired the RIA 9mm but my Ruger Commander 9mm is such smooth shooting pistol. I love the 1911 in 9mm, purist be damned.
 
Are the Rock Island sights actual Novak cuts (and does that matter to you, fieldgrade )? I had one a few years back and one of the reasons I got rid of it was that I couldn't change the sights without milling. They look like Novak but were different enough to be incompatible.

ETA: by "one", I had a different model of Rock Island 1911 in 45 ACP.
 
WeepingAngel;n94657 said:
Are the Rock Island sights actual Novak cuts (and does that matter to you, fieldgrade )? I had one a few years back and one of the reasons I got rid of it was that I couldn't change the sights without milling. They look like Novak but were different enough to be incompatible.

ETA: by "one", I had a different model of Rock Island 1911 in 45 ACP.
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Most of the sight makers have caught up with the popularity of the armscor /rock island brand and are offering many styles for the rock island 1911s but if field grade goes with the ultrra those sights are pretty much good to go right out of the box, unless he doesn't like the fiber optic front sight
 
Collo Rosso;n94626 said:
S.A. range officer in 9mm. Added a Dawson f.o. front sight, Ed Brown msh/mag well and a Kimber ambi safety. Metalform and Brownell's 10 round mags work great and it goes in a Bladetech holster for IDPA meets.
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Ive got a stainless SA RO in .45, with magwell. I want Novak type sights for this in 9mm. If I didnt already have the SA that's what I'd get
 
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I'd try to save a little more and get a DW Specialist in 9mm.

Only because the one I fingered was super tight and super nice.

And, all forged parts made in the USA.
 
NKD;n94797 said:
I'd try to save a little more and get a DW Specialist in 9mm.

Only because the one I fingered was super tight and super nice.

And, all forged parts made in the USA.
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Re: "tight fit". I had my dad's early 90's Colt Government out to a match Saturday. It probably has less than 1000 rounds through it in all these years, and yet is a little "loose". I think it was made that way, whereas my new SA Range Officer is much tighter, and with maybe only 200 through it. The SA stumbled three or four times a couple of weeks ago through 175 rounds of match and classifier, whereas the "loose" Colt ran like a clock through 100 rounds and was as accurate as I am :)rolleyes:).

Maybe the SA just needs to break in?

On that DW Specialist, I like everything but the rail. I wonder if that would cause fit problems with my current 1911 holsters, both leather and kydex?
 
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fieldgrade;n94815 said:
Re: "tight fit". I had my dad's early 90's Colt Government out to a match Saturday. It probably has less than 1000 rounds through it in all these years, and yet is a little "loose". I think it was made that way, whereas my new SA Range Officer is much tighter, and with maybe only 200 through it. The SA stumbled three or four times a couple of weeks ago through 175 rounds of match and classifier, whereas the "loose" Colt ran like a clock through 100 rounds and was as accurate as I am :)rolleyes:).

Maybe the SA just needs to break in?

On that DW Specialist, I like everything but the rail. I wonder if that would cause fit problems with my current 1911 holsters, both leather and kydex?
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Yes,you would have to get a rail specific holster
 
fieldgrade;n94815 said:
Re: "tight fit". I had my dad's early 90's Colt Government out to a match Saturday. It probably has less than 1000 rounds through it in all these years, and yet is a little "loose". I think it was made that way, whereas my new SA Range Officer is much tighter, and with maybe only 200 through it. The SA stumbled three or four times a couple of weeks ago through 175 rounds of match and classifier, whereas the "loose" Colt ran like a clock through 100 rounds and was as accurate as I am :)rolleyes:).

Maybe the SA just needs to break in?

On that DW Specialist, I like everything but the rail. I wonder if that would cause fit problems with my current 1911 holsters, both leather and kydex?
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Yeah, you'd need new holster. Not a huge fan of rails on guns either. But it's nice to have if you do a night match!

Got a new gun recently that is very very tight and it required zero break in. Which surprised me as I used fairly low powered loads.
 
The RIA in the Ultra 9MM configuration is one scarce pea shooter, and it is outfitted egg-zactly like I want. Even the distributors don't seem to have them. Oh well. Guess that dough gets to stay in my pocket another day.
 
fieldgrade;n94815 said:
Re: "tight fit". I had my dad's early 90's Colt Government out to a match Saturday. It probably has less than 1000 rounds through it in all these years, and yet is a little "loose". I think it was made that way, whereas my new SA Range Officer is much tighter, and with maybe only 200 through it. The SA stumbled three or four times a couple of weeks ago through 175 rounds of match and classifier, whereas the "loose" Colt ran like a clock through 100 rounds and was as accurate as I am :)rolleyes:).

Maybe the SA just needs to break in?

On that DW Specialist, I like everything but the rail. I wonder if that would cause fit problems with my current 1911 holsters, both leather and kydex?
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Screw the Specialist. Just get a Valor! But once you are at Valor budget it is just a very small step to get to a Les Baer.

It is so much fun spending other people's money.
 
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fieldgrade;94896 said:
The RIA in the Ultra 9MM configuration is one scarce pea shooter, and it is outfitted egg-zactly like I want. Even the distributors don't seem to have them. Oh well. Guess that dough gets to stay in my pocket another day.
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FG&G has a knack for finding things. Just tell them you want one and you'll eventually get a call with good news. Works for me anyway.
 
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JimP42;n95043 said:
FG&G has a knack for finding things. Just tell them you want one and you'll eventually get a call with good news. Works for me anyway.
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Thanks. I talked to them this morning and one other FFL who's a vendor here. None of their distributors have one right now. I've got a line in the water with one of them so we'll see what turns up.
 
fieldgrade;n94775 said:
Ive got a stainless SA RO in .45, with magwell. I want Novak type sights for this in 9mm. If I didnt already have the SA that's what I'd get
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So what's wrong with owning 2 S.A.'s? Besides the R.O. I have a stainless loaded too. Come to think of it I have 2 Sig 1911's also. Sights are easily swapped.
 
Wolffy had the Colt Competition for a bit and sold it. He might be able to chime in on it. If it's something you have to have some time this year, I'm sure it will be easier to find over the Rock.
 
I know I'll probably get scolded here....but find someone who had a Turaus PT1911 9mm and shoot it. I have one i picked up used for under 400 and it's awesome!...if you ever get near Newton you are welcome to test drive mine. I've met a few good comp shooters that claim it's one of the most under rated 1911's.
 
Collo Rosso;n95061 said:
So what's wrong with owning 2 S.A.'s? Besides the R.O. I have a stainless loaded too. Come to think of it I have 2 Sig 1911's also. Sights are easily swapped.
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Can't change Bomar's to Novak style, or much anything else, and I don't want the rail.
 
Amp Mangum;n95191 said:
Replace the rear sight of your Range Officer with this: https://shop.harrisoncustom.com/hd-0...ice-rear-sight
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Thanks Amp. It's not so much that I outright "hate" Bomars. I was absolutely able to dial that SA RO in perfectly. I just don't want my next 1911 to have them because I feel like they slow me down on reloads, and heaven knows I am slow enough.

I'm keeping the Range Officer.
 
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