Mossberg shockwave question

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I recently purchased a mossberg shockwave to use as a truck gun,but then after a little research I realized I can be charged with a unregistered nfa item if I conceal it because it would be a aow then ,my question is if I were to go through the process of registering it as an aow would I be able to use it as a truck gun?
 
joegattoni7 said:
I recently purchased a mossberg shockwave to use as a truck gun,but then after a little research I realized I can be charged with a unregistered nfa item if I conceal it because it would be a aow then ,my question is if I were to go through the process of registering it as an aow would I be able to use it as a truck gun?
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Best not to use NFA items for self defense.
 
Your Shockwave is an AOW, as listed on the BATF&E #4473 when you or the original owner purchased it.
 
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Maybe I’m wrong but on mossbergs
Website it says “
3. Do not carry the Mossberg Shockwave concealed. If this gun is carry concealed, it would be defined by BATFE as an A.O.W. and the user could be charged with possession of an unregistered NFA weapon.
4. BATFE defines the Mossberg Shockwave as a Firearm and it should be defined as a Firearm on BATFE’s Form 4473.” https://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/MOSSBERG_590-SHOCKWAVE-PUMP-ACTION.pdf
 
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on mossbergs
Website it says “
3. Do not carry the Mossberg Shockwave concealed. If this gun is carry concealed, it would be defined by BATFE as an A.O.W. and the user could be charged with possession of an unregistered NFA weapon.
4. BATFE defines the Mossberg Shockwave as a Firearm and it should be defined as a Firearm on BATFE’s Form 4473.”
 
Button Pusher said:
Your Shockwave is an AOW, as listed on the BATF&E #4473 when you or the original owner purchased it.
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Nope. Bet it’s not.

It’s an Other Firearm, which is different than an AOW.

My Shockwave is actually an AOW with a $5 stamp…as I intentionally purchased it that way. It was measured without the birdshead grip, which put it under 26” OAL.
 
joegattoni7 said:
I recently purchased a mossberg shockwave to use as a truck gun,but then after a little research I realized I can be charged with a unregistered nfa item if I conceal it because it would be a aow then ,my question is if I were to go through the process of registering it as an aow would I be able to use it as a truck gun?
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Your concern on concealing it doesn’t change here in NC. That’s because we’re issued Concealed Handgun Permits instead of a Concealed Weapon Permits…and you can’t turn that Shockwave into a Handgun. AOWs are not Handguns.
 
BigWaylon said:
Your concern on concealing it doesn’t change here in NC. That’s because we’re issued Concealed Handgun Permits instead of a Concealed Weapon Permits…and you can’t turn that Shockwave into a Handgun. AOWs are not Handguns.
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so would I be better off selling the shockwave and building an ak or ar pistol for a truck/bag gun
 
joegattoni7 said:
so would I be better off selling the shockwave and building an ak or ar pistol for a truck/bag gun
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Completely up to you. You could store the shockwave, but not conceal it. Which is a fascinating gray area without a good definition.

The concern with a braced AR/AK pistol at the moment is what happens with the proposal that was made about the points system. If you went with a braceless pistol, you could be in the clear for awhile.
 
BigWaylon said:
Completely up to you. You could store the shockwave, but not conceal it. Which is a fascinating gray area without a good definition.

The concern with a braced AR/AK pistol at the moment is what happens with the proposal that was made about the points system. If you went with a braceless pistol, you could be in the clear for awhile.
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that’s nice to know but I’d prefer to be able to have it loaded if I’m carrying it, I was thinking about getting one of those lil ugly micro draco 762 pistols...now I just gotta find one that isn’t COVID priced out the ass lol
 
BigWaylon said:
Completely up to you. You could store the shockwave, but not conceal it. Which is a fascinating gray area without a good definition.

The concern with a braced AR/AK pistol at the moment is what happens with the proposal that was made about the points system. If you went with a braceless pistol, you could be in the clear for awhile.
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I have one more question,I’m pretty new here so i don’t know where to post it ,but If I’m putting it up for trade or to sell do I post it under the handguns for sale or shotguns ,not sure cause it’s neither
 
joegattoni7 said:
that’s nice to know but I’d prefer to be able to have it loaded if I’m carrying it, I was thinking about getting one of those lil ugly micro draco 762 pistols...now I just gotta find one that isn’t COVID priced out the ass lol
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Loaded makes no difference in concealed vs stored. If you read all the regulations around a CHP, you’ll notice it never mentions anything about the firearm being loaded.

You can open carry it, and you can transport it stored…just not concealed.

So it could be uncovered on your seat while you drove, then stored away once you parked.
 
joegattoni7 said:
I have one more question,I’m pretty new here so i don’t know where to post it ,but If I’m putting it up for trade or to sell do I post it under the handguns for sale or shotguns ,not sure cause it’s neither
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I lost that argument years ago…that we needed an “other firearms” category for stripped receivers, complete receivers, Shockwaves, and anything else that’s just a firearm.

…but I agree with the previous answer, just put it under Shotguns.
 
BigWaylon said:
Loaded makes no difference in concealed vs stored. If you read all the regulations around a CHP, you’ll notice it never mentions anything about the firearm being loaded.

You can open carry it, and you can transport it stored…just not concealed.

So it could be uncovered on your seat while you drove, then stored away once you parked.
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That’s a very good point ,thanks for the help
 
I have a shop rag thrown over the receiver of mine, but you can see the grip and the barrel.

Is mine...eeps... concealed?
 
Very good thread, interesting and entertaining 👍
 
@BigWaylon is giving some sound advise. Carry it either open or stored while you are traveling in your vehicle. At your destination, then secure it in a stored location to help prevent theft. Another issue regarding AR/AK pistols is traveling in other states. NC doesn’t have a specific law regarding them, but some other states do. So if you carrying out of state you need to make sure you are in compliance with their concealed handgun laws.
 
Average Joe said:
@BigWaylon is giving some sound advise. Carry it either open or stored while you are traveling in your vehicle. At your destination, then secure it in a stored location to help prevent theft. Another issue regarding AR/AK pistols is traveling in other states. NC doesn’t have a specific law regarding them, but some other states do. So if you carrying out of state you need to make sure you are in compliance with their concealed handgun laws.
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Thanks that’s good advice,but to be fair a lot of other states have laws banning the shockwave
 
joegattoni7 said:
Apparently all you have to do is conceal it and then it becomes an aow
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The only rationale that I’ve found for this is virtually unrecognizable as logic. It is over 26” which is the length beyond which the ATF recognizes a weapon as not being concealable. If it was less than 26” it would be considered concealable and then an AOW. The goofy assertion is that if you prove them wrong by concealling it, then it must be an AOW rather than a firearm in that circumstance.

Since it's on Mossbergs website it has probably been written somewhere by ATF, but I don’t know where.

As with most ATF stuff, it isn't law, it’s their interpretation of the law. If it ended up in court it’d be fun to lay out 10 shockwaves and ask the ATF expert witness to identify which ones are AOWs. Obviously he or she wouldn’t be able to do it. The downside is that to get to this you’ve probably spent better than $250k.

Oh, and the difference between concealed and stored in a vehicle is a gray area, but if it is handy then I think it’s more likely concealed than stored.

Didn’t @Gunbelt make a holster to open carry a shockwave?
 
JimB said:
The only rationale that I’ve found for this is virtually unrecognizable as logic. It is over 26” which is the length beyond which the ATF recognizes a weapon as not being concealable. If it was less than 26” it would be considered concealable and then an AOW. The goofy assertion is that if you prove them wrong by concealling it, then it must be an AOW rather than a firearm in that circumstance.

Since it's on Mossbergs website it has probably been written somewhere by ATF, but I don’t know where.

As with most ATF stuff, it isn't law, it’s their interpretation of the law. If it ended up in court it’d be fun to lay out 10 shockwaves and ask the ATF expert witness to identify which ones are AOWs. Obviously he or she wouldn’t be able to do it. The downside is that to get to this you’ve probably spent better than $250k.

Oh, and the difference between concealed and stored in a vehicle is a gray area, but if it is handy then I think it’s more likely concealed than stored.

Didn’t @Gunbelt make a holster to open carry a shockwave?
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In SC you cannot conceal anything under any classification that is between 12 and 26 inches.
 
Walkabout Dan said:
In SC you cannot conceal anything under any classification that is between 12 and 26 inches.
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lots of issues in state law, but I think we’re just talking federal...could be wrong.

and the shockwave is over 26” so not sure what that means in SC.
 
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Walkabout Dan said:
Best not to use NFA items for self defense.
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A suppressed MG near the bed is perfectly viable for self defense, as the suppressor keeps you and your spouse from going deaf should you need to pull the trigger ... as well as substantially reducing muzzle flash ... and the MG has single or auto selectability should you need or want it. Never mind castle doctrine in those states that have it and in which one has no duty to retreat. Just don't miss unless you're good at drywall work and don't have others in the domicile. :)

Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion on trying to be out and about in a truck with a Shockwave rather than keeping it at home where it likely belongs (specifically due to it not being legally concealable or a handgun ... and not traveling well across the various state lines).
 
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surrealone said:
A suppressed MG near the bed is perfectly viable for self defense, as the suppressor keeps you and your spouse from going deaf should you need to pull the trigger ... as well as substantially reducing muzzle flash ... and the MG has single or auto selectability should you need or want it. Never mind castle doctrine in those states that have it and in which one has no duty to retreat. Just don't miss unless you're good at drywall work and don't have others in the domicile. :)

Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion on trying to be out and about in a truck with a Shockwave rather than keeping it at home where it likely belongs (specifically due to it not being legally concealable or a handgun ... and not traveling well across the various state lines).
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Kill someone , even in self defense with an NFA item and watch what it costs you in the long run.
 
Walkabout Dan said:
Kill someone , even in self defense with an NFA item and watch what it costs you in the long run.
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Care to elaborate? Is there case law or an ATF reg/opinion on such a thing?

Or is this like the ole "Don't carry handloads in your EDC gun, you'll go to jail" wives tale?
 
Walkabout Dan said:
Names and dates of people killed.
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Lol, one is the story of one of my uncles in Cleveland, he’d recently moved there from NJ, and I never knew the names of the people killed, there were 3. The other story is not mine to tell.
 
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