My Grock 27 stolen in 2001- found in Central Park

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I had a house burglary in 2001, a G27 was stolen. This occured in Newport news, VA.
Police were called etc. I did not have the SN to give them.

Approximately 4 months ago I get a call from a NY phone #. It's detective xxx from the NYC police dept asking if I have ever been to NYC.
He tells me they found a G27 slide in central park that traces back to me!
I originally thought it was a prank.
Insurance reimbursed me long ago so I'm not out anything.
He asked me if I wanted it back, I told him if he finds the frame to give me a call back.

Yesterday, I get a call from his partner- they found the frame near where the slide was found. He said it was rusted up badly.
He tells me they have already destroyed the slide.

Anyway, my G27 traveled from VA to NYC. Apparently the 4473 is still available.
It was loaded with 185gr Remmy golden sabers when it was stolen. I bet they didn't expand worth a damn!
 
Is the shop where you bought it still open? A trace from factory to shop is simple. If shop just needs to pull a file that's pretty simple too.
If the shop closed up and sent record to ATF it becomes a question of how did they find a paper record in a sea of paper records? There's been stories about ATF scanning in the 4473 files to an image database that's not searchable. I expect that's not entirely true. I bet they can search it by document number, serial number, and name.
 
Slacker said:
they found the frame near where the slide was found. He said it was rusted up badly.
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Glock frames are notorious for rusting.

Get a new parts kit and make an anti-ghost gun. Already has a criminal past so anything that happens gets pinned on the priors!
 
Jayne said:
Glock frames are notorious for rusting.

Get a new parts kit and make an anti-ghost gun. Already has a criminal past so anything that happens gets pinned on the priors!
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I asked him the process for getting it back.
He didn't know where to start. I don't have the patience to drive through NYC much less deal with them on firearms issues.
 
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It sold be interesting to find out the process would be, since they are so restrictive. I don't think going up to get it would even be an option. You couldn't transport it.
 
When I had a firearm stolen that was found in Texas they had to keep it as evidence until the charges were settled (a year or more). Then they shipped it to the police department where the police report was filed when it was stolen and the investigating officer met me in the work parking lot and handed it to me on my lunch break.
I would assume it always would go back to where the police report claiming it was stolen was filed but who knows. Especially since the report didn’t have the serial number.
 
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Slacker said:
I asked him the process for getting it back.
He didn't know where to start.
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Seems strange to me.

I wonder why he bothered calling at all. “Hey, we found the rest of your gun and you can’t have it back.” 🤔
 
Jeppo said:
Seems strange to me.

I wonder why he bothered calling at all. “Hey, we found the rest of your gun and you can’t have it back.” 🤔
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Nana nana boo boo…..
 
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Slacker said:
Yesterday, I get a call from his partner- they found the frame near where the slide was found. He said it was rusted up badly.
He tells me they have already destroyed the slide.
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wait, the plastic frame or the easily replaceable metal parts?
 
Just tell them to scrap it but demand proof of disposition.

Had to do the same with test vehicles so the lab guys didn't sell them out the back door or part them out etc.
Lots of almost new vehicles got videoed in the crusher.

You don't need the frame going missing from the evidence room . . . and 100% correct you want nothing to do with NYC and guns. They will have you appear to claim lost property then cuff you on your way out for illegal possession.
 
This 10 min video is definitely worth a watch. It talks about the ATF national tracing center's process for 4473 forms that they have.



They get over 2 million new records a month from dealers going out of business, and spend 16hrs a day to scan records in to a non-searchable database. To do the trace somebody has to sit and look through the scans of each 4473 until they find the right one. I'd guess they sort by dealer registration ID, and by year, and move on from there. They were fuzzy on that, but they did point out how they were not able to search by name and that the entire process is designed to comply with the restrictions.

Needless to say, ATF guy seems to be holding in some anger about how his staff has been handicapped. And we already know they do pilot studies to see if they can do "more" that would still be considered compliant...
 
Jeppo said:
Seems strange to me.

I wonder why he bothered calling at all. “Hey, we found the rest of your gun and you can’t have it back.” 🤔
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That sounds very New York to me.
 
How did they trace the slide to you?
I don’t have a grock. Are they marked like the frame?
 
Had a friend in Durham who had his maverick 88 stolen in the early 90s. They called him 2000 something and said it was found in New Jersey and he could come pick it up if he wanted to. After factoring in gas, tolls, and the overall headache of going to New Jersey, he told them to keep it.
 
Mirac said:
How did they trace the slide to you?
I don’t have a grock. Are they marked like the frame?
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Frame, barrel and slide all have the same SN when they’re made. Not sure if any other parts are marked, but those three are easily visible on mine.

Example from web image I pulled:

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Jmoser said:
Just tell them to scrap it but demand proof of disposition.
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Many years ago on the cover of the NRA Rifleman magazine was a S&W Model 10. It had been used in robberies and assaults in NYC, Washington DC, Atlanta and Miami.
It had been confiscated as evidence in each city after each crime and back out on the street.
 
Mr. Bggs said:
Had a friend in Durham who had his maverick 88 stolen in the early 90s. They called him 2000 something and said it was found in New Jersey and he could come pick it up if he wanted to. After factoring in gas, tolls, and the overall headache of going to New Jersey, he told them to keep it.
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Sounds like a trap. I wouldn't want to take possession of a handgun in NJ.
 
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