NC 16-year-old steals gun off man inside Bojangles, police say

We had a stage with a plastic baby in an infant carrier on a picnic table. The infant carrier was tied to a moving target with 10 feet of paracord. You are seated at the picnic table.

At the sound of the shot timer you move the baby carrier off the table to behind you on the ground for cover which activates the first target.

One of the guys on our squad was single, no kids at the time. At the shot timer he pitched that baby carrier and the fake baby ten yards away.

A woman shooter on our squad who was watching was horrified.

😂🤣😅
 
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fieldgrade said:
We had a stage with a plastic baby in an infant carrier on a picnic table. The infant carrier was tied to a moving target with 10 feet of paracord. You are seated at the picnic table.

At the sound of the shot timer you move the baby carrier off the table to behind you on the ground for cover which activates the first target.

One of the guys on our squad was single, no kids at the time. At the shot timer he pitched that baby carrier and the fake baby ten yards away.

A woman shooter on our squad watching was horrified.

😂🤣😅
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This is the way.
 
hp468 said:
Fixed.
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My FNX45 holster from Chief Jason has excellent retention. can't be easily pulled out from any direction. Only "easy" direction is from the natural draw angle.
And it looks really good. :D
Granted, a bulky kydex active retention holster is more like to make someone assume one is a plain clothes cop. That has a deterrent effect.
 
fishgutzy said:
My FNX45 holster from Chief Jason has excellent retention. can't be easily pulled out from any direction. Only "easy" direction is from the natural draw angle.
And it looks really good. :D
Granted, a bulky kydex active retention holster is more like to make someone assume one is a plain clothes cop. That has a deterrent effect.
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I've got a couple Safariland ALS holsters that I use when working outside. Obviously not as slim as a leather holster but not bulky at all, i've grown to really like them. The level III retention holsters are a totally different animal bulk wise.
 
My local Walmart doesn't have any signs about open carry until you get all the way back to the pharmacy where there is a small sign on the side of one of the plexiglass shields that says "please don't open carry".
 
A lot of people that open carry I find throw the gun in a cheap holster that’s “not a firm” carry holster. I find it’s important to invest in a quality hostler just as important to picking out the gun. Especially conceal holster but in this case, this proves how important a open carry holster is too.
 
A crime is always on the criminal. I won't blame a victim, even if they weren't doing everything possible to reduce the chances of them becoming a victim.

That said, its been my experience that when I see someone open carrying in public, its usually carried in an uncle mikes or other cheap nylon holster on a floppy belt, or worse, a soft sided IWB clip on holster, but worn on the opposite side with the clip on a pants pocket or belt. I've seen the clip on holster worn outside the pants a few times and it makes me shake my head. Its such an insecure way to carry a pistol. Heck, you could move suddenly or bump into someone and have it just fall out.
 
Every time I see a guy open carry, I think of the Wild West. Open carry was the norm, and many folks used it. For most, the gun was a tool. It would be a little rougher time for a kid to pull a 7” barreled SAA out of a leather holster than it would be for him to yank a plastic gun with a 3” barrel out of a cheap kydex belt holster.
In todays world, those who open carry may have a convincing argument to do so, or they may just want to think they are “cool”. I am glad they can do as they wish, but open carry now just puts a target on your back. Even IF you have exceptional situational awareness, the open carrier is going to be the first to be targeted, smacked in the head and disarmed. Removing all doubt as to one’s defensive capability just begs for the open carrier to be targeted.
The kid didn’t pick out a concealed carrier to steal from.🤔
 
Mr. Bggs said:
I think about this type of stuff a bunch. Say you're this guy in bojangles open carrying. The guy tries to grab your gun but you notice and react quickly so that he doesn't get it.... what do you do next? Draw on him and tell someone to call the cops and then press charges?
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Probably let him go, so long as I have my carry piece.

He'll likely turn up again in short order. Broken fingers generally want medical attention.
 
Mr. Bggs said:
I think about this type of stuff a bunch. Say you're this guy in bojangles open carrying. The guy tries to grab your gun but you notice and react quickly so that he doesn't get it.... what do you do next? Draw on him and tell someone to call the cops and then press charges?
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Beat the absolute piss outta him. If ya gonna be stupid, you better be tough. Some people have to learn the hard way.

Off topic, but a story about being stupid. One night when I was at the academy training, (we had a MMA class that got a lot of attendance) We were working on some techniques from guard, and I was working with a dude named Jason.
He was one level under instructor, so he knew about control, power percentages, etc. I was on my back with him in my closed guard, and he was to sit up, throw a "light" punch, and I would do some sort of parry/block/trap/etc. move to, 1-keep from getting hit, and 2, to throw him off balance. It was all a technique building drill. Oh, I forgot to add, we had 4oz MMA/UFC type gloves on. Ok, now, after about the 3rd iteration, instead of a medium speed, light punch, he rained down on my face with a fast, hard punch, and caught me real good right on my chin/lip area. Totally not agreed upon. I immediately swept him over where I was in his guard, passed it to full mount, and smashed him. Three hard punches right in the face, with him getting a busted nose, lip, and a black eye.
Told him, if he was gonna make stupid decisions that could hurt someone, he better be tough and a hell of a lot meaner than the other person. He NEVER did that to anyone else in our class. He kinda did that every now and again, hitting someone a little too hard, but it was usually in sparring, not a technique building session. I went and cleaned up my busted lip, and rolled on with someone else. He left and didn't come back for a few weeks. Some times, people need their a$$ beat before they realize their dumb decisions have consequences.
 
Stick Man said:
Beat the absolute piss outta him. If ya gonna be stupid, you better be tough. Some people have to learn the hard way.

Some times, people need their a$$ beat before they realize their dumb decisions have consequences.
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One hundred percent true. If a person is going to OC, they had better have the skills and equipment to control their weapon and dole out the correct amount of punishment for a disarm attempt. If the 16 year old in this case had made an attempt and failed, he doesn't deserve to be shot but he had better expect a beatdown; and now the holster had better be strong enough and with enough retention to fight upright or down on the ground. Uncle Mikes ain't gonna cut it for that kind of action. As soon as he takes that OC-er's weapon, he is now armed with a deadly weapon and no one can do anything about it short of shooting him.
 
Open carry or not, it doesnt bother me what others do for the most part. Personally, I do my best not to stand out. Dress reserved, dont wear a lot of "tactical" lookin stuff, and not wearing a visible firearm is part of it.

Considering how many people open carried around the country today and how many people had >this< happen to, it is statistically a near insignificant chance of this happening. (but yes, it obbviously can happen).
 
georgel said:
Most open carry I've seen is in some sort of Uncle Mike's type inexpensive soft sided holster. And it's usually not well anchored to the body, hanging loosely and as you mention, the person is very non-chanlant and inattentive.
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And it's usually a Hi-Point, Taurus, or XD.
 
Stick Man said:
Some times, people need their a$$ beat before they realize their dumb decisions have consequences.
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If this were not a viable teaching method, then why did Mother Nature give us the ability to feel pain?

Stupid SHOULD be painful. If it's not, then what incentive do people have not to do stupid stuff?
 
rdinatal said:
I'm stealing this. Best quote I've seen all year
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Thanks.

Actions have consequences...and people should learn to deal with those consequences. Either learn from others to avoid them in the first place, or suffer through them personally. Adults have that choice...children, not so much as their learning skills are on a far different level.


People who want to eliminate all sources of pain and danger in our lives have absolutely no clue about human behavior and development. Obviously, we do things to minimize and mitigate unnecessary or truly dangerous things, but we don't need to go overboard.

You want to watch a child learn QUICKLY not to do something dangerous? Watch what he does after he gets hurt and he encounters anything remotely resembling the circumstances that lead up to that pain. This is especially important with young children who have no conceptual understanding of how the world around them works. They're constantly touching, tasting, listening, playing with everything they can reach because that's how they're wired to learn.

When our son was a young toddler, he obviously had no clue what "hot" meant with respect to being dangerous. We checked all his food to make sure it wasn't dangerously hot to handle/eat before he could touch it, we made sure his bath water wasn't too hot, we kept him away from hot pavement when barefoot, we kept him out of the kitchen when cooking with the over, etc.

Well...almost.

One day while my wife was cooking, we were constantly chasing him out of the kitchen away from the oven, where she was baking something. Every time we pulled him away, we told him "HOT!" and set him out to something else to play with. And then, toddlers being what they are, he slipped past our guard ONE TIME just as my wife turned away from the oven where she had pulled something out. And he reached out and touched the wire rack that she had pulled out.

I calmed him down and we played under the cold running water in the kitchen sink for the better part of an hour, having fun until the pain faded away. Luckily just a small blister was all he ended up with.

But from then on, whenever my wife was in the kitchen cooking, he'd point to the oven and say "HOT!" and not come near it. And if we told him something was hot, he KNEW what that meant. Because Mother Nature gave him the ability to learn and understand this.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
If this were not a viable teaching method, then why did Mother Nature give us the ability to feel pain?

Stupid SHOULD be painful. If it's not, then what incentive do people have not to do stupid stuff?
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In one of my FoF training classes, that involved Simunitions, you were not allowed to wear sweats. T-Shirts or thin long sleeves only. Why? Because those marking rounds hurt when they hit you! Call it an incentive to execute the exercise correctly, because there was a penalty for doing it wrong. It added realism and kept people from just going through the motions. Talk about becoming muzzle aware!
 
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snap cap said:
Everytime I see someone open carry, I watch his/her 6 as long as I can in case of something like this happens.
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When I open carry, I watch my own six. And nine, three, and twelve. Of course, my head is always on a swivel.
 
John Travis said:
There's always another option. Are we not free men?
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If by "another option" you mean giving up your right to keep and bear arms and turning it into a privilege by getting a permit to carry, then I disagree. We shouldn't have to ask for permission to carry a firearm in any manner and I certainly wouldn't call carry permits freedom.
 
This thread wants me to make a custom tazer pistol that looks just like a real gun, but has tazer pads built into the grips.

When someone snatches it, it engages the tazer continuously, which makes the muscles in the arm convulse and grip the pistol harder making it impossible to voluntarily (or involuntarily) let go.

Should provide for some amusing dance entertainment as long as the batteries hold out.
 
barf said:
I guess I could rephrase. “When you can concealed carry, it’s stupid not to.”
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It’s more fun to open carry one with the firing pin removed (or filed down) and have a concealed one ready to go. That way you can respond to a lethal threat instead of just dealing with theft. 😎
 
RedFox099 said:
If by "another option" you mean giving up your right to keep and bear arms and turning it into a privilege by getting a permit to carry, then I disagree. We shouldn't have to ask for permission to carry a firearm in any manner and I certainly wouldn't call carry permits freedom.
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Do you really believe that nobody ever dared to carry a concealed sidearm before the states started (grudgingly) granting permission...and collecting fees for the privilege?

Really?

People...men in particular...have been going discreetly armed in America before the Declaration of Independence was signed. I wouldn't be afraid to bet that there are more unlicensed carriers than licensed by a factor of 2:1 not counting the criminal element.
 
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