NRA Basic Pistol Instructor class from Chuck Sammons

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  1. Variable

    Variable Active Member Life Member

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    I took Chucks class this weekend. It was very informative and helps prepare you to actually teach the class. It is also a prerequisite for teach CCW in NC. Chuck is a good teacher who has obviously taught many classes and brings a lot of real world experience into his explanations. He displayed in his teaching what he was trying to teach us to do, making eye contact, engaging students in discussion, asking students questions to see if they were paying attention and explaining what he has seen in the real world of teaching. There is a lot of information in this class. It is a brain dump and you need to learn the lingo and do's and don't of the NRA teaching An example is using the word "weapon," that is a no no. If you look on the NRA site for local instructors i believe Chuck teaches several classes in addition to Basic Pistol instructor. I recommend him and think he is a good instructor to learn from. Go take one of his classes!

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    Now for something completely different...
    **steps up on a soapbox**
    I really think the NRA does a disservice to the instructors by naming it "Basic." Any student who can consume all the data given and pass the course of fire comes out being very knowledgeable and a good shooter. Can you keep 4 strings of 5 rounds in a 4 inch circle at 10 feet (no cheating on distance. and i want video proof :)) From what i have seen this is not "basic" marksmanship. This is the requirement to pass the Basic pistol class. For good shooters this is not a huge challenge, especially with no time limit. But my expectation is that NRA Basic Pistol would be something a new shooter may want to take upon buying their first gun. I doubt a new shooter can do this test without using the benchrest.

    I also think with 10 students it would be hard to get through all the information in less than two days. To most of us who are shooters there is not a lot of new information (but there is some useful stuff) i am just thinking of a new shooter. I would imagine there is going to be lots of questions, personal anecdotes and tangents that would lengthen the course considerably.

    The other person who could greatly benefit from this course is about 50% of all the guys i see at the indoor range (and we have all seen them) They are blasting away at 10-15 feet and it looks like a shotgun pattern. Usually they have a Glock **smirk** and may even have 20 mags and a 511 shirt on. These guys COULD benefit from the Basic Pistol NRA class, but when you tell them the name "NRA Basic Pistol" they will never take it because they believe they are too advanced for anything "Basic." Anyhoo that's my thoughts and i am stepping down from the soapbox.
     
  2. Chuck Sammons

    Chuck Sammons New Member

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    Thanks, for the kind words. V was/is a model student with a great attitude and I appreciate that. Great assessment and summation of the "Basic" course, there is a lot of detail and info in the NRA course for sure. Let me know when you get a course going and I'll drop in. Thanks again.

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    NKD Senior Member Benefactor Kimberless Supporting Member

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    So, this is a course you take to become a qualified NRA Basic Pistol Instructor? Pardon my ignorance, I've always wondered how you get that credential.



    " Can you keep 4 strings of 5 rounds in a 4 inch circle at 10 feet (no cheating on distance. and i want video proof :)) From what i have seen this is not "basic" marksmanship."

    Seems like this would be simple for anybody qualified to teach, no? Just over 3 yards? Not to be a contrarian, but with no movement everybody who carries a gun should be able to accomplish this fairly easy no?
     
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    No, maybe you didn't read the post or understand it properly. The 5 rounds in a 4 inch circle at 10 feet is to pass NRA Basic Pistol class.

    If you think this is the standard capability that anyone who carries a gun "should have," well then, i would agree! But if you think this is the status quo of the people carrying a gun today, your premise is not based in reality. A simple trip to any indoor range will prove your theory holds no water. I have seen hundreds of shooters between classes at Apex and trips to my indoor range - which is almost always packed. The average shooter does not meet the NRA Basic Pistol standards. I have no idea where you are coming from with that.


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    Just trying to understand, as I don't know anything about this, as I said in the second sentence that you quoted.
    I thought you were talking about ONE class the whole time (The title says Basic Pistol Instructor Class)

    I now realize you took the Basic Pistol Instructor Class and are later talking about the requirements of the different course: NRA Basic pistol. And I thought they were called something else. Sorry but its a bit confusing.

    Not sure what you mean about theories. I didn't propose any. "You have no idea where I am coming from with that" because I am not "coming with that". Whatever "that" is?
    And, NO, I do not "think" everyone is capability is up to 20 shots into 4" at 10 feet, because people suck at shooting. That's why I didn't say that.
    But, yes, I do believe that is basic marksmanship. And any pistol instructor should be able to manage that.

    Sorry for asking!
     
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    Variable Active Member Life Member

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    Ahh well they say posts always come off more snippy than you mean i guess. This is where i thought you were saying that everyone who carries a gun should be able to shoot that course of fire.

    "Not to be a contrarian, but with no movement everybody who carries a gun should be able to accomplish this fairly easy no?"

    This sounded pretty specific to me.;) No worries. We will chalk it up to miscommunication.

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  7. Chuck Sammons

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    So, yes this is the course you would need to take to become an NRA Pistol Instructor. The NRA Pistol Instructor is a 10 hours course which Basic Instructor Training ( how to teach NRA courses) must be taken also if not completed within 2 years of the specific course you are presenting. Then you have a shooting portion consisting of : upload_2019-2-14_6-8-53.png
     
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    Thank you! Exactly what I was wondering.