NRA honors FCC chair for killing net neutrality

The NRA Gave Ajit Pai An Award Today For Being 'Courageous'

Apparently the NRA has gun rights so well-protected that they can instead spend their time and resources supporting the destruction of the internet as we know it.
By 'destruction of the internet,' you mean, 'keeping the government, who neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever do bad things, from gaining oversight and control over the internet, and keeping things at the status quo of freedom and deregulation they've always been at,' right?
 
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The NRA Gave Ajit Pai An Award Today For Being 'Courageous'

Apparently the NRA has gun rights so well-protected that they can instead spend their time and resources supporting the destruction of the internet as we know it.
Destruction of the internet as we know it. Hahahahahaha net neutrality was an Obama era regulation that expanded government and government control over the internet. Getting rid of it was a great thing. Do I think the NRA is wasting time trying to be involved in things outside of guns? Yes, yes I do. Was Net neutrality just like the affordable care act and the patriot act? Yes, they have catchy names that people will get behind but people didn’t actually look at what they did.
 
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Yeah, the internet could only have grown thru the careful support of Al Gore its inventor, and the firm and controlling hand of the federal government.

Never trust capitalists !
 
I have little trust in government, but I have no more trust in companies like Spectrum and Comcast whose business is built on government-awarded monopolies.

But however each of us feels about net neutrality, can we all agree that the NRA needs to focus its resources on firearms? It is bad enough how much of my dues they squander on paper and postage with their seemingly daily mailings.
 
I have little trust in government, but I have no more trust in companies like Spectrum and Comcast whose business is built on government-awarded monopolies.

But however each of us feels about net neutrality, can we all agree that the NRA needs to focus its resources on firearms? It is bad enough how much of my dues they squander on paper and postage with their seemingly daily mailings.
If you don't trust government monopolies, I suggest that, instead of wishing for more government control, you petition the government to break those companies apart, a la Ma Bell.

As to the NRA, I don't like or trust them. Give me GOA any day.
 
Yeah, the internet could only have grown thru the careful support of Al Gore its inventor, and the firm and controlling hand of the federal government.

Never trust capitalists !

Wait, all this time I thought Abe Lincoln invented the internet.
 
1. Abe actually did invent the internet. his real name is Abraham O. Lincoln (aol).
2. NRA really got off track on this one. must be more money somewhere in this.
3. which will add to the Dallas meeting, where the mayor doesn't want the NRA.
 
Net neutrality = squashing competition

Love it when politicians give feel good titles to bills: net neutrality! Affordable care act!
 
Like most things, there were good and bad parts of net neutrality. Generally speaking, it was good when it was implemented, it did what it was supposed to, and then it was eliminated. It’s actually a great story of the government doing something when it was needed and then getting back out of the way when it is not.
 
Like most things, there were good and bad parts of net neutrality. Generally speaking, it was good when it was implemented, it did what it was supposed to, and then it was eliminated. It’s actually a great story of the government doing something when it was needed and then getting back out of the way when it is not.
Today on social media I saw folks recruiting allies to contact service providers to block access to NRA-TV.

The tech community is mostly unfriendly to firearms. One Google employee, who is now a sponsored competitive shooter, said it was easier to come out as gay (which he was) than it was to come out as a gun owner at Google. YouTube has demonetized many firearms-related channels. Are you confident that Comcast, Time-Warner/Spectrum, and AT&T will continue to allow access to gun websites and forums? That is what net neutrality guaranteed and is now no longer required.

Respectfully, please educate me why net neutrality is no longer needed. Not that long ago Comcast throttled Netflix. I like it that my modest website has until now been guaranteed equal treatment with the big guys.

And what is the downside of requiring that monopoly internet service providers treat all web sites equally?
 
Today on social media I saw folks recruiting allies to contact service providers to block access to NRA-TV.

The tech community is mostly unfriendly to firearms. One Google employee, who is now a sponsored competitive shooter, said it was easier to come out as gay (which he was) than it was to come out as a gun owner at Google. YouTube has demonetized many firearms-related channels. Are you confident that Comcast, Time-Warner/Spectrum, and AT&T will continue to allow access to gun websites and forums? That is what net neutrality guaranteed and is now no longer required.

Respectfully, please educate me why net neutrality is no longer needed. Not that long ago Comcast throttled Netflix. I like it that my modest website has until now been guaranteed equal treatment with the big guys.

And what is the downside of requiring that monopoly internet service providers treat all web sites equally?
Because you're accepting the wrong things. You are:
1) Accepting that government sponsored monopolies should continue
And from that :
2) Accepting that government sponsored control of the internet should be around to prevent said government sponsored monopolies from abusing power. In effect, ceding abuse of power to the government.
And before you say you arent, note that you pushed for government intervention in the markets by control, not by breaking up monopolies(which is not necessarily a good idea either).

I posit that government regulations allowed monopolies to flourish in the first place, and further deregulation would allow competitors to best these monopolies.
An example :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ervene/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.f19df34d8e02
 
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Are you confident that <snip> AT&T will continue to allow access to gun websites and forums?
I'm more than a little surprised that I can still get on all of them from the company intranet.
 
I posit that government regulations allowed monopolies to flourish in the first place, and further deregulation would allow competitors to best these monopolies.

I’m not sure what monopolies your referring to for internet service, perhaps you mean for phone service?

In the early days of electricity there were not enough people in rural areas to justify the capital investment to provide power. The voters decided that the country would be better off if everyone had access to electricity at reasonable rates. The government provided grants, loans, and a guaranteed rate of return to electric utilities. This same approach was later applied to voice phone service, the citizenry recognizing that the societal benefits would be far greater if everyone had access to phone service at reasonable rates. In both cases the government correctly determined that trying to have both rate-of-return regulation and competition would be a financial disaster, and since there simply was no economic basis for a competitive market they implemented monopolies that were highly regulated.

We could have a very long discussion about how the companies are smarter, and more motivated, than the regulators and found ways to earn excess profits and delay competitive entry to the markets, but let’s save that for another day.

Switching to the internet. Network access was originally facilitated by fixed lines and dialup modems, all run over the phone network. The telephone companies were monopolies, and acted like monopolies when they rolled out ISDN. The quality of cable service at the time was quite poor, and nobody liked the cable companies, but the cable companies jumped into internet access with both feet and unexpectedly won huge market share.

My point is that the government didn’t create monopolies for internet service and ISPs are only very lightly regulated. Even the regulation under net neutrality was hardly burdensome and in many ways it prevented the ISPs from picking winners and losers on the application and content side.

Respectfully, please educate me why net neutrality is no longer needed. Not that long ago Comcast throttled Netflix. I like it that my modest website has until now been guaranteed equal treatment with the big guys.

The vast majority of the population has access to several potential ISPs, so in theory competition will prevent the ISPs from acting unreasonably. Now we both know that this is optimistic. For example, let’s say that you develop a new video streaming app. A few years ago you’d set up your site, folks would start using it, and if it was good you’d be in business. Today there might be deals between Netflix and Amazon and the major ISPs that require all streaming video providers to pay the ISP $10MM per month plus $2 per subscriber per month. Obviously a new video streaming provider won’t be able to afford that cost and so the only business model for a new video provider would be to sell the software to one of the big guys that have the market locked up. In this example the lack of neutrality will stifle innovation and investment.

I would not have been upset if some parts of the net neutrality regulation had been retained, but at this point we’ll just have to wait and see if the ISPs will behave themselves.
 
I’m not sure what monopolies your referring to for internet service, perhaps you mean for phone service?

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The vast majority of the population has access to several potential ISPs, so in theory competition will prevent the ISPs from acting unreasonably. Now we both know that this is optimistic. For example, let’s say that you develop a new video streaming app. A few years ago you’d set up your site, folks would start using it, and if it was good you’d be in business. Today there might be deals between Netflix and Amazon and the major ISPs that require all streaming video providers to pay the ISP $10MM per month plus $2 per subscriber per month. Obviously a new video streaming provider won’t be able to afford that cost and so the only business model for a new video provider would be to sell the software to one of the big guys that have the market locked up. In this example the lack of neutrality will stifle innovation and investment.

I would not have been upset if some parts of the net neutrality regulation had been retained, but at this point we’ll just have to wait and see if the ISPs will behave themselves.

According to this report, 40% of the U.S. has only one broadband provider, and that is with a low bar for what is considered broadband. At my house in an urban county, we have only two wired choices, and only one is what I would consider broadband. My brother-in-law in a more rural county has only one choice, and it is slow, slow, slow. Most economists say it takes at least three and more likely four competitors to have genuine competition. If we get competition, I will quit screaming for net neutrality regulation.

So as you said, now we get to see what happens.
 
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