Our gilded age has come and gone

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Last night I was making supper and listening to music via Spotify. Music is a big part of my existence. I like all different types and I'm also a bit of an audiophile.

Something occurred to me and I wonder if I'm the only person that has arrived at this conclusion. Me and @thrillhill have discussed this many times.

I find myself looking backward more than I used to. That's probably attributable to my age (over 40) and I suspect that is true of most everyone as we get older. But I think there is some hard data that supports the idea that the last 20 years or so have been a bit less interesting from a cultural perspective than any other time in the last century. Let's take music, as just one example. If you choose any decade from the 1940's onward, the music of the given era is pretty distinctive. 50's sock hop, 60's classic rock, 70's rock and disco, 80's, 90's, all have a certain sound. Granted, there is some overlap. Joy Division came out in the 1970's but it's decidedly 80's in terms of genre. And that just proves my point. Genre is usually organized into these decades as well precisely because it is so recognizable.

Most people would say that every generation feels "their" time was the best time. That's probably true of the Boomers, and they have a pretty strong argument in that regard. These days there is one decade that just keeps coming back over and over again. Which could be because of the Gen X crowd being the ones making the movies these days. The 80's was a special time that just can't be recreated. It's cultural significance is undeniable. Even the younger generation is aware of it. Case in point:

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Ready Player One was of course based on the novel. But if the 80's hadn't been so significant and nostalgic, I don't think the movie would have been made. How about this one?

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And of course, the best example of all...

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I mean, look at this screenshot...

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If this isn't enough, we have bands that are recreating 80's music.

Midnight City by M83 is a prime example, though a LOT of their music borrows significantly from the 80's sound. Empire of the Sun does as well.

The 1975 is another band that borrows heavily from the 80's. Case in point:



The list goes on...
The Killers
Walk the Moon
St. Lucia
Tame Impala
Washed Out
Chromatics
Desire
Magic City Hippies
Electric Youth

...and on the electronic side of the ledger:
Kavinsky
Timecop 1983
Miami Nights 1984

The 1980's might have been one of the very best decades to grow up in. I've convinced that the 2000's have had a much less distinctive impact on culture and music. An argument could of course be made for other decades. However, when you turn on the radio, whether it's a hair band or synth pop, you know when you're listening to the 80's.

We were very fortunate to be able to enjoy that magical time in history.
 
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Take a look at the last few marvel movies and their reliance on music from the 70s and 80s and how in some movies the music is a plot devise.

Not to mention some of the current TV shows, commercials, etc.. are not using today's music.
 
As an adolescent of the eighties myself I appreciate bwhat you are saying. At the same time, when I hear the phrase 'easy times make weak men', I also think of the eighties.

And women aren't immune from the phenomenon. We were all being dumbed down and lulled into happy, entertained complacency.
 
The 1980's might have been one of the very best decades to grow up in. I've convinced that the 2000's have had a much less distinctive impact on culture and music. An argument could of course be made for other decades.
Interesting observations. I do wonder if or rather what the generational cycle and turnings have to do with it? We just entered the third (generational) turning around 1984. This may be an interesting thread: http://generational-theory.com/forum/thread-6230.html which asks this very question.
 
It's called getting old. Every generation seems to think they're the only one who thinks new music, movies, trends are crap.
My father did. His father did.
Now it's my turn.

If you grow up with "x" you think that's normal. Something new comes along and, wait, that's not how it should be.
 
what is the current musical style? crap?

I call it corporate music. Its all about the brand, the show, the image and not about the talent.

Looking back at music during the 60s, and 70s, the focus isn't about the artist looks, its about the music. During the 80s with the introduction of music videos, the focus started to move away from the talent and the music and focus more on the market and brand.

Fast forward to today and we have all these shows, brands, and worst of all autotune, and now you have boxed music. No talent needed.
 
I’m watching Freaks and Geeks, set in a Michigan high school in 1980. Good stuff for your 80’s nostalgia fix. Plus, you have James Franco, Jason Segal and Seth Rogan in very early roles.
 
I call it corporate music. Its all about the brand, the show, the image and not about the talent.

Looking back at music during the 60s, and 70s, the focus isn't about the artist looks, its about the music. During the 80s with the introduction of music videos, the focus started to move away from the talent and the music and focus more on the market and brand.

Fast forward to today and we have all these shows, brands, and worst of all autotune, and now you have boxed music. No talent needed.

i doubt they could do mtv unplugged today
 
If you grow up with "x" you think that's normal. Something new comes along and, wait, that's not how it should be.
This has been my personal experience having lived in....9 decades......Everybody caught bigger fish, the beer was colder and nobody screwed fat gals.
 
While I can attribute some of the musical divide to me simply being older and the current “Style” of music isn’t to my taste I think the majority of the issue is that 99% of all new music that sees airtime is formula based.

So you don’t really have the far out stuff like we had in the 70’s through the 90’s.

Music before the 70’s was very much the same too. They didn’t have computer diagnostics to give formulas but the music was cookie cutter.

Then bam, the 70’s hit and everyone went crazy. Great music was made. And it was expanded on for a couple decades.

Record companies tried to cookie cut it even then. And did so with some success. Then bands like queen write epic songs and give their producers the finger and get it played on their own.

Most good new music today is on YouTube by small artists. They won’t see air time since everything is corporate owned and run now. No more mom and pop radio stations being given albums with bags of coke taped to it for air play.
 
I don't know, but it's not on what they call "country" stations.
I had the radio on the other day, and i could have sworn the country station was playing ricky martin from 20 years ago, it sounded that much alike. Nothing against ricky martin... but he ain't country.

While I can attribute some of the musical divide to me simply being older and the current “Style” of music isn’t to my taste I think the majority of the issue is that 99% of all new music that sees airtime is formula based.
formula based indeed. people have been writing about the predictive algorithms for over a decade. it's serious business.
 
I mean, if we're being literal, the Gilded Age was a period in America from 1870-1900, so it is 'ours,' and it has come and gone...


...also, Mumford and Sons, The Lumineers, Colter Wall, and Tyler Childers beat the crap outta 80's music. Heart and soul, no need for a synthesizer... :p
 
I also was a 70-80’s babe (1969 year model)and when I here a “old” song from groups like AC/DC or any Queen song or even Stixs or....sorry could have went on forever.. truth is music was better then and today’s crap will never be 70-80’s great. Never!!
 
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I also was a 70-80’s babe (1969 year model)and when I here a “old” song from groups like AC/DC or any Queen song or even Stixs or....sorry could have went on forever.. truth is music was better then and today’s crap will never be 70-80’s great. Never!!


Couldn't resist.
 
I recall seeing the Beatles the first time they appeared on Ed Sullivan. I think it 1964.

The mid sixties and early seventies music speaks for itself.

I also got my first cable TV subscription in 1981.

MTV was the bomb. I loved 80’s music.

What are we talking about?

Oh, yea. Gilded age. I got nothing.
 
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Was talking about this with my oldest daughter the other day: I’ve noticed that the 2000s have had no real “flavor” all of its own. The decades of 2000/2010/ and now 2020 all feel pretty much the same.

Looking back at the last 80 years or so each decade up until the year 2,000 all were distinct, different, and had their own social flavor to them. The euphoria of the post war 50s with the emergence of do-wop and roots of rock and roll. The 60s had Vietnam and rock and the civil rights movement. The 70s there was a new sound of rock as the happy happy Beatles sound turned into Led Zeppelin and AC/DC and Disco. The 80s saw the age of hair bands and Michael Jackson and Madonna who were larger than life. The 90s brought in the era of alternative and pop music.

If I were to show you an outfit from each of those decades they all had a style all their own from bell bottoms, peace symbols, hair styles, members only jackets, and sock-hop poodle dresses.

And after 2000? An outfit worn in 2001 is the exact same as an outfit worn in 2021. Looking at a high school yearbook from the two years, separated by two decades, one would be hard pressed to see anything different at all. But take a yearbook from 1960 and compare it to one from 1980? Like two completely different worlds.

I feel like the 1900s were the USAs teen years. Full of vigor, defiance, stupidity, and rebellion. The 2000s are proving to feel more like the countries middle aged years where it now has a mortgage, a few failed marriages which have left it a broke and broken man reaching desperately for any semblance of its youth.


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I recall seeing the Beatles the first time they appeared on Ed Sullivan. I think it 1964.

The mid sixties and early seventies music speaks for itself.

I also got my first cable TV subscription in 1981.

MTV was the bomb. I loved 80’s music.

What are we talking about?

Oh, yea. Gilded age. I got nothing.
I saw the Beatles on tv too...damn I'm old.....
 
Interesting that this thread popped up now, because this is something I have been thinking about lately, maybe because we watched the Beatles "Get Back" special last week. When I think about how fast music evolved in the 60s and 70s it still blows me away. Music from the 80s and even into the 90s built on that early foundation, but real originality can't be duplicated in a focus group, a corporate board room or on a computer and the music industry has burned itself out.

I call it corporate music. Its all about the brand, the show, the image and not about the talent.

Looking back at music during the 60s, and 70s, the focus isn't about the artist looks, its about the music. During the 80s with the introduction of music videos, the focus started to move away from the talent and the music and focus more on the market and brand.

Fast forward to today and we have all these shows, brands, and worst of all autotune, and now you have boxed music. No talent needed.
Bingo. They are trying to duplicate something and they don't even realize what it is. 30 years from now no one is going to go back and watch videos of some skank like Carly B or whatever her name is shaking her ass at the camera, but some kid is going to find an old Genesis CD in his grandparents attic and have his mind blown.
Most good new music today is on YouTube by small artists. They won’t see air time since everything is corporate owned and run now. No more mom and pop radio stations being given albums with bags of coke taped to it for air play.
True. And at a few small music festivals, though the damned covid has almost killed them. You can still find some good prog rock internet stations. There's a few good guys who can play it right, but like you said radio is pretty much all corporate controlled so you have to work to find them.
 
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This is also the decade that brought us milli vanilli, Rick Astley and Menudo so let's dial back the I Love The 80s Show a bit.

Even the 70's, as amazing and irreplaceable as the music was, had a few...

The prosecution presents Exhibit A: Disco Duck

 
Even the 70's, as amazing and irreplaceable as the music was, had a few...

The prosecution presents Exhibit A: Disco Duck


Disco was a malignant anomally that fortunately died young.

My boys are mid-late twenties. Both love live music and both play guitar pretty well. They know as much about 60s and 70’s music, and the artists as anyone my age.

That would be like me listening to music from the thirties when I was their age. Heck, I thought music from the fifties sounded old in the sixties.
 
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Not a whole lot of creativity left... that's why with music there are so many covers and with movies there are so many reboots. Those can be fun sure but I expect new and genuinely good material to continue to decline.
 
Disco was a malignant anomally that fortunately died young.
ALTHOUGH, we did do some serious drunk dancing to KC and the Sunshine Band, The Commodores (Brick House), Chaka Khan, and Mothers Finest. The last two being late 70’s but not disco, and Lionel Richey I guess being R&B.
 
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Maybe it’s just the Miami Vice in me talking, but I think what you’re saying is the side effects of acid (70s) and cocaine (80s) are better than the side effects of heroin (90s), meth (2000s) and opioids (2010s)?

70s and 80s drugs were for trips and enhanced senses and current drugs are numbing agents?
 
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Was talking about this with my oldest daughter the other day: I’ve noticed that the 2000s have had no real “flavor” all of its own. The decades of 2000/2010/ and now 2020 all feel pretty much the same.

Looking back at the last 80 years or so each decade up until the year 2,000 all were distinct, different, and had their own social flavor to them. The euphoria of the post war 50s with the emergence of do-wop and roots of rock and roll. The 60s had Vietnam and rock and the civil rights movement. The 70s there was a new sound of rock as the happy happy Beatles sound turned into Led Zeppelin and AC/DC and Disco. The 80s saw the age of hair bands and Michael Jackson and Madonna who were larger than life. The 90s brought in the era of alternative and pop music.

If I were to show you an outfit from each of those decades they all had a style all their own from bell bottoms, peace symbols, hair styles, members only jackets, and sock-hop poodle dresses.

And after 2000? An outfit worn in 2001 is the exact same as an outfit worn in 2021. Looking at a high school yearbook from the two years, separated by two decades, one would be hard pressed to see anything different at all. But take a yearbook from 1960 and compare it to one from 1980? Like two completely different worlds.

I feel like the 1900s were the USAs teen years. Full of vigor, defiance, stupidity, and rebellion. The 2000s are proving to feel more like the countries middle aged years where it now has a mortgage, a few failed marriages which have left it a broke and broken man reaching desperately for any semblance of its youth.


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the forever war decades
 
ALTHOUGH, we did do some serious drunk dancing to KC and the Sunshine Band, The Commodores (Brick House), Chaka Khan, and Mothers Finest. The last two being late 70’s but not disco, and Lionel Richey I guess being R&B.
Mothers Finest 👍🤘
Saw them live a few times a local clubs in Tampa back when. Awesome live show and Joyce Kennedy was smokin... vocally as well as stage presence!!!!
Baby Love....and
***#**s Can't Sing Rock and Roll still give chills.
MF Changed alot of minds as to skin color and harder rock than normally expected!
 
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