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Here's my two cents ( that people apparently want due to the coin shortage...). The ammo shortage was supposedly caused by the manufacturers not having access to the raw materials to make the ammo. Mines closing due to the virus and all that. So no raw materials, I get it. I think that part is over. Now they're riding a supply is less than demand thing. If I was an ammo manufacturer I would do the exact same thing. They're in it to make money. They don't care if we get to target practice. I'm ok with my ammo quantity unless something weird happens, and it would have to be really weird. Like Glenn Beck weird. Am I shooting for the hell of it, no. I miss it. I'll wait until December when the craziness subsides.
 
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Yup and the key is to never get caught in irrationally buying at peak pricing.
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... and have an alternative ... for TP it’s a BIDET ... for a HD carbine in 5.56 it’s a M1 Carbine in .30cal ... etc ... just takes a little creative thinking and adaptability.
 
NCFubar said:
... and have an alternative ... for TP it’s a BIDET ... for a HD carbine in 5.56 it’s a M1 Carbine in .30cal ... etc ... just takes a little creative thinking and adaptability.
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Yeah I have a Bidet as well. I also have an IBM M1 Carbine all bought at rock bottom prices. If it gets nasty I will break out the M1 Garand and start shooting greek surplus ammo. Ping....Ping...Ping
 
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talking about the first time gun buyers , im still shocked how many people are not prepared. Last year a guy i worked with told me about buying a new revolver 8in smith 357 (Bc he thinks anything smaller will blow it out of your hands). I said did you find some good HP ammo for defense? He said i thought those were illegal. lol
 
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Cmdeshon said:
They were almost my exclusive supplier for ammo before covid. Good prices and fairly quick shipping. Really disappointed that they are marking things up so high. It didn't just start either. They raised prices almost immediately when things got crazy.
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Same here... but before their move. Haven't been to the new place. Looks like I might not be going! I guess they wanna make the ROI faster!

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AH64 said:
I was talking to another local store today that knows the owner of outdoor Limited and they are not paying any more for their ammo than anyone else
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Figured!

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TCAM said:
I'll tell you this much I would have much rather payed an inflated TP price. Than have to drive to 3 stores to find it.

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Just order a case! Lol

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TCAM said:
talking about the first time gun buyers , im still shocked how many people are not prepared. Last year a guy i worked with told me about buying a new revolver 8in smith 357 (Bc he thinks anything smaller will blow it out of your hands). I said did you find some good HP ammo for defense? He said i thought those were illegal. lol
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Where's he from...nj?

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NC born and raised, has some 22 rifles and a shotgun, but doesn't have a clue about the laws. i had to explain some very simple situations, i told him to take the carry course even if he doesn't plan to get a ccw.
 
TCAM said:
talking about the first time gun buyers , im still shocked how many people are not prepared. Last year a guy i worked with told me about buying a new revolver 8in smith 357 (Bc he thinks anything smaller will blow it out of your hands). I said did you find some good HP ammo for defense? He said i thought those were illegal. lol
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And these people could be firing guns to defend themselves? That in itself is pretty damn scary. Many have little to no training outside of watching TV or movies ... clueless as hell ... it ain’t a pretty picture.
 
NCFubar said:
And these people could be firing guns to defend themselves? That in itself is pretty damn scary. Many have little to no training outside of watching TV or movies ... clueless as hell ... it ain’t a pretty picture.
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Training is good. Practice is good. Making these things mandatory is not. Unfortunately this falls into the freedom is messy category. That being said, the news reports are full of people who never shot a gun in their life successfully using one to defend and likely save themselves in their moment of need.
 
wvsig said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I am not saying people can't sell for whatever they want. They can. The gold argument is a BS red herring that does not represent what I have said. I agree if people stop buying everything on the shelves we have a chance for prices to go back to normal. I have been saying that since April when the run on the bank was in full swing.

I personally am not buying any of it. I am have not bought a single round since March. I have bought bullets, powder and primers. My approach it not to buy anything at inflated prices. I can ride this thing out for 5 years if I have to. I just enjoy the theater of it. It is interesting to watch people react to scarcity. It can be toilet paper or bullets. I find it interesting to watch what drives people and how those wants/needs create market bubbles.

99% of this run is artificial. It is people who think they need more ammo buying ammo they don't really need. IMHO. Most people are buying in an irrational manner but that is what scarcity and fear do to people. People like ODL and CTD are simply capitalizing on it to and extreme. I think they will reap the short term benefits but in the end they will hurt their rep and their sales in the long run.
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Hey man, didn't mean to set you off, we're all on the same side here. :) I didn't consider asking what you would do if gold rose as putting words in your mouth and it doesn't matter if you believe the reason for the shortage is legit or not, it's a shortage and demand has risen.
 
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I agree there are a lot of new owners but time will tell if they become shooters. I have personally told new gun owners now is not the time to buy tons of ammo to train. Get 200 rounds. Shoot some to get an understanding of how the gun works and then put the rest away to keep you safe. If history repeats itself most of these guns will sit in a drawer for most of their lifetime with the ammo it was bought with.
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I would never tell someone not to train to save money. It sucks that its going to cost more but worth to be a better, safer shooter. Better to save your life than save a dollar
 
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I would never tell someone not to train to save money. It sucks that its going to cost more but worth to be a better, safer shooter. Better to save your life than save a dollar
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You can get a lot more use effective training from dry firing vs shooting a 100 or even 200 rounds. IMHO
 
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I don’t believe any of us would add a handgun to the EDC rotation without a minimum of 500 flawless rounds through it, so why would you tell a new shooter to shoot 50-100 then feel their new gun was ready to protect themselves and their families?
 
fsj80 said:
I don’t believe any of us would add a handgun to the EDC rotation without a minimum of 500 flawless rounds through it, so why would you tell a new shooter to shoot 50-100 then feel their new gun was ready to protect themselves and their families?
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I am being realistic. Someone who just got a gun is going to need a ton of trigger time to be good. The difference between shooting 100 or 500 in these times is not going to make the difference IMHO. Clearly YMMV. I am being realistic. Yes in the best of times you want to shoot as much as you can and test out your gun with your choice of defensive ammo but what do you do when you cannot find 50 rounds let alone 500+. The reality is if we are truly being honest with ourselves unless your actively going to protests the chances of you having to use a gun in defense of your family is extremely small. You are much more likely to slip in the tub, slip on the sidewalk. or break your neck falling down the stairs but please continue to recommend people spend $500 on defensive ammo and blast away. I can guarantee that without some instruction they aren't go to be any more prepared with a handgun after those 500 rounds then they were before them.

I am trying to give people practical realistic advice. Once ammo gets back to normal I recommend new gun owners take a good formal training class. I also recommend dry firing and going to the range as often as possible to verify the results of the dry firing. In times like this that is the best bang for the buck training you can do.
 
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fsj80 said:
I don’t believe any of us would add a handgun to the EDC rotation without a minimum of 500 flawless rounds through it, so why would you tell a new shooter to shoot 50-100 then feel their new gun was ready to protect themselves and their families?
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This is highly subjective. Personally I would feel fine trusting a firearm with 50-100 good rounds of my self defense ammo through it to handle any typical self defense situation because consdering the myriad of other things that will be waiting to (and will) go wrong in such a situation with much higher odds of happening than
1 in 100. IMO efforts and/or $ spent to improve the likelyhood of survival/success would be better spent in other areas like training and other preparations. This is my situation, YMMV.
 
Flashpoint said:
This is highly subjective. Personally I would feel fine trusting a firearm with 50-100 good rounds of my self defense ammo through it to handle any typical self defense situation because consdering the myriad of other things that will be waiting to (and will) go wrong in such a situation with much higher odds of happening than
1 in 100. IMO efforts and/or $ spent to improve the likelyhood of survival/success would be better spent in other areas like training and other preparations. This is my situation, YMMV.
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I agree with this but you are most likely ahead of the curve vs a new shooter. It seems like people cannot even get ammo to take a class these days. I was talking to a guy who is a small FFL in SC and he has no ammo to sell people buying a new gun. The people buying from him are the people paying $25+ a box for FMJ 9mm because they don't have another choice. They need ammo. Think of how much it will cost a new shooter to take a class where you shoot 300 rounds, which is a low round count. That is $150+ in ammo and then the class. From what I have heard people want to take classes but don't have the ammo to do it. Which was sort of the point I was trying to make earlier.

I see this continuing for the next 6 months at least. In the end new people are buying guns and need ammo. Steady shooters want to keep shooting. In order to do that most people need to buy ammo no matter what the price is.
 
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Flashpoint said:
This is highly subjective. Personally I would feel fine trusting a firearm with 50-100 good rounds of my self defense ammo through it to handle any typical self defense situation because consdering the myriad of other things that will be waiting to (and will) go wrong in such a situation with much higher odds of happening than
1 in 100. IMO efforts and/or $ spent to improve the likelyhood of survival/success would be better spent in other areas like training and other preparations. This is my situation, YMMV.
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I think you are using the fact that you are an experienced gun owner color your response. There are many threads here and at the old site where people said (paraphrasing) “500 flawless rounds through my new gun. Another 250-500 and I will add it to the EDC rotation”. Is it necessary? No. But it does add a certain level of confidence in carrying that gun for the improbable life or death situation.

I don’t tell new owners that they have to shoot 500+ rounds before they use the gun for protection but I do highly recommend that they 1) buy at least 1k rounds as they can afford it, 2) get some training, even if it is just an hour of personal training and 3) dry fire daily. I feel that new gun owners need this trigger time to get comfortable handling and using the weapon and that includes recoil management, which they will not get from dry firing or only shooting 50-100 rounds
 
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