Outdoor Spigot valve help

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The spigot on the front of my house is located in a difficult to get to location. I mounted one of the Gardena hose reels a couple years ago and it is around 20' away from the spigot. Absolutely love the hose reel. The issue I have found is the Gardena hose is not designed to have the water turned on all the time and will eventually bulge the hose. I'd like to mount a valve on the wall around the hose reel but have not been able to find anything that will work. The closest thing I have found is a sharkbite valve pictured below. I'd like to find something that I can screw the standard 3/4" hoses into even if I need some adapters. Also needs to mount to the wall. Any ideas? Pictures below.

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Jimbob78 said:
Can you get a better hose and put a brass ball valve at the spool?
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Unfortunately no. The hose is definitely skinnier than most garden hoses and a standard hose would not work with this reel. Temporarily I stuck a brass valve in between the feeder hose and the hose reel inlet but that is just laying on the ground. I'd like to mount something on the wall.
 
Carolinatlc said:
Unfortunately no. The hose is definitely skinnier than most garden hoses and a standard hose would not work with this reel. Temporarily I stuck a brass valve in between the feeder hose and the hose reel inlet but that is just laying on the ground. I'd like to mount something on the wall.
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That’s what I was thinking, mount a strong feeder hose to the wall with a bras ball valve. The one I had in mind are red/brown and super thick you could leave on all the time.
 
Cut that swollen hose end. Put a new end on it. Clamp down. Swollen gone.

Perhaps you can use some PVC piping and fittings to get from spigot to hose reel where a valve can be put in.

Pesky water pressure.
 
Jimbob78 said:
That’s what I was thinking, mount a strong feeder hose to the wall with a bras ball valve. The one I had in mind are red/brown and super thick you could leave on all the time.
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That is exactly what I'm trying to find, a valve I can mount to the wall. I have one of the thick goodyear rubber hoses feeding it. It's probably 15 years old and holding up fine with water pressure.
 
BloodRunsThicker said:
Cut that swollen hose end. Put a new end on it. Clamp down. Swollen gone.

Perhaps you can use some PVC piping and fittings to get from spigot to hose reel where a valve can be put in.

Pesky water pressure.
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I've already cut the swollen end off three or four times, it keeps coming back and my hose keeps getting shorter and shorter.

I'd like to find something in brass that looks halfway decent but the PVC is a good idea if I can't find anything.
 
This should work for you.

Amazon product ASIN B07TSGZVNQ
I used the shark bite spigots when I replaced mine 2-3 years ago, but only because Lowe’s was out of the solder type, I was skeptical about the “push on” type spigots but they have been perfect since day one, no leaks and they “bite” onto copper pipe very well.
 
Tarowah said:
This should work for you.

Amazon product ASIN B07TSGZVNQ
I used the shark bite spigots when I replaced mine 2-3 years ago, but only because Lowe’s was out of the solder type, I was skeptical about the “push on” type spigots but they have been perfect since day one, no leaks and they “bite” onto copper pipe very well.
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I put one of those in temporarily. I'd like to find something I can mount to the house so it is easier to reach.
 
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Carolinatlc said:
I have that basically with a brass valve now. I'd like something I can mount to the house to make it easier to reach.
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OK, the shutoff you pictured above, short 1/2" PVC into it and a PVC 1/2" adapter to garden hose threads. If you don't want to use PVC, 2' copper pipe and sharkbite on the other end then brass MPT to garden hose adapter.
 
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Something like this that can mount to a wall? It looks like they are called “drop ear”? I couldn’t find one listed with garden hose threads, but I was just randomly searching on Google and Amazon.
Amazon product ASIN B07DBXJ384
 
DangerRuss said:
Something like this that can mount to a wall? It looks like they are called “drop ear”? I couldn’t find one listed with garden hose threads, but I was just randomly searching on Google and Amazon.
Amazon product ASIN B07DBXJ384
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Thanks. Everything seems to have PEX for some reason. Hoping someone could find a simple valve like I pictured above with threads on both ends even if I had to make up an adapter.
 
I did, you just need to put male adapter (not water hose but pipe thread) on your hoses that go into the valve
 
How about replacing the rubber feed hose with a stainless steel water supply hose?

Brass ball valve that fits a standard garden hose right here: linky

10" steel garden hose with brass ball valve: linky

Here's a 25 footer: Linky
 
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Warhammer said:
How about replacing the rubber feed hose with a stainless steel water supply hose?

Brass ball valve that fits a standard garden hose right here: linky

10" steel garden hose with brass ball valve: linky

Here's a 25 footer: Linky
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I don't have any issues with the feeder hose but do like the stainless hoses linked.

I really didn't think this would be difficult to find a wall mount valve like I posted just with threaded ends. After it stopped raining today, I walked outside and was going to rinse some things off and noticed the hose was bulged again. I decided today was the day I was going to fix it or at least order the parts to fix. Searched for 30min and then came here.

My tankless water heater is on the other side of the wall the hose reel is mounted and I'm tempted to just go through the wall and go ahead and add a hot water tap also for outside. Those parts are easy to find. I'm also lazy and don't want another larger project added to my list right now.
 
BASIL said:
Must be a bunch of engineers here.
I just turn off the water and take the hose off, so it doesn't freeze up.
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I do that for the 3-4 months of the year the hoses could freeze up. My problem the rest of the year is the spigot is directly behind the Camelia in the middle and is difficult to get to.
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Carolinatlc said:
I don't have any issues with the feeder hose but do like the stainless hoses linked.

I really didn't think this would be difficult to find a wall mount valve like I posted just with threaded ends. After it stopped raining today, I walked outside and was going to rinse some things off and noticed the hose was bulged again. I decided today was the day I was going to fix it or at least order the parts to fix. Searched for 30min and then came here.

My tankless water heater is on the other side of the wall the hose reel is mounted and I'm tempted to just go through the wall and go ahead and add a hot water tap also for outside. Those parts are easy to find. I'm also lazy and don't want another larger project added to my list right now.
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I suggested the steel supply line because adding a valve between the house and the reel will put all that water pressure on the supply hose. Then you'll end up with the same problem with the supply hose. Just trying to head that off before it happens.

Just found this valve that has eyelets on it that would allow you to screw it to the wall: Linky
 
When we moved into our home, we realized the nearest hose bib to our deck was too far away. The plumber fabricated an extension (female fitting that attaches to the hose bib, a 90 to a couple steel nipples with a 90 in between, another 90 and a hose bib that fastens to the deck post). I remove it each winter.

I’ll try to take a photo if you’re interested. Come to think of it, I oughta remove it for winter. 🤓
 
BASIL said:
Must be a bunch of engineers here.
I just turn off the water and take the hose off, so it doesn't freeze up.
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Jeppo said:
I remove it each winter.
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Engineer here to say, even if the valve is off, leavin' a hose on a spigot, even a sill-cock, can cause it to freeze up over the winter. It can keep the bleeder cap from emptying the spigot. The break is often inside the house, where the short length of copper meets the pex. Although pex can freeze without breaking, copper cannot.

I like the Stihl solution.
 
BASIL said:
Must be a bunch of engineers here.
I just turn off the water and take the hose off, so it doesn't freeze up.
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I’ve been skimming and scanning the thread looking for some mention of this danger.

So far we are up to THREE neighbors (3 separate “Southern” locations) who have had their basements FLOODED because no one warned them* - north of Atlanta - NEVER leave anything screwed into / onto the outside hose bib during the winter months.

ALL 3 WERE THE newer “Frost Proof / Freeze Proof” type spigots …

(“From Thanksgiving til Easter” where we’re at now and “from Halloween til Easter” where we have relatives)

OP, I’ve been where you’re at several times and I like to KISS so, first time I ran pvc from the outside hose bib around corner of the house to the front of where the garage had been added onto the house, effectively installing a second hose bib only at front of garage. Second time I knew we weren’t going to be in the house a long time so I simply got a REAL ALL RUBBER garden hose to reach around the corner from where the outside hose bib was on the outside of rear of the house to the front where I had the hose reel cart set up …

Best of success and whichever direction you choose, be sure and disconnect all hoses - everything - from your outside hose bibs before your area’s first freeze ….


* = second neighbor knew better and disconnected his hose before leaving town for the holidays but, his twenty something year old kid decided to wash his car one warm December day he came by to check the outside of the house for his parents and when he was finished he left the hose connected … that pipe burst and leaked for a week before they got home to many many thou$ands of damages ...


ETA: okay, seeing where now y’all are removing outside connections. And yeah, I’d get under that camellia and selectively take out just the sprigs FROM THE TRUNK Alf the shrub that would give me a body width access to the spigot. Shrub will look perfectly normal again inside one growing season and you’ll have your access

Best of success!
 
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If you are not on a slab foundation then run a new line under house to the location you want. Less problems with freezing or squirrels chewing.
 
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IMHO - @mellocollins and @Get Off My Lawn provided the real solution. Just put a new bib where you actually want to use it. Fast and simple as long as you have access to the lines under the house.

We had a similar situation here, and after three years of doing the same work around a with a feeder hose to the reel, finally put in a new bib last spring. Made everything simpler.
 
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I decided to keep it simple for now. The other side of that wall is a storage room off my garage and is on a slab. My hot water heater is in the room so getting a tap for a new spigot wouldn't be difficult. The time consuming part would be removing everything from a storage rack and removing the rack to get access. Instead of doing all that I bought the valve in the original post and some fittings to make it work. Should work fine for now.
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Jeppo said:
Don’t forget to disconnect that black hose when temps begin to drop.
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Yep, that's the ritual around here. I normally disconnect everything mid November or so. Go ahead and blow the hoses out as best I can and make sure no water is in the spray nozzles. I have insulating covers for the outdoor spigots that I put on. I've found over the years just leaving a spray nozzle installed on a hose and not draining them is what typically kills them.

I actually installed a spigot in the storage room on the other side of that wall years ago if I need to use water for something during the winter.
 
When I need to use a hose during winter, I lay it out on a grade and roll it up the next day.
 
I feel bad for not thinking of this earlier. I used to use something like these green extenders. They had the “input” down at ground level so it was a much cleaner look. After 10 or 15 years, the pipe inside (running from ground lever up to the spigot) broke so out they went. Searching for those, I found this other gadget that might have saved you some tinkering. Sorry. 😢

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