Pistol Purchase Permit Repeal Filed

[BillG]

Of course, once again, the Repugs can say they tried, but just couldn’t. Go vote harder next time, moar elections.

Yep. Let's suppose three Democrats in each house decided to for vote the repeal, how many Republicans would then vote against it, to keep the repeal from passing? I don't know, it's just conjecture, but I suspect some Republicans actually don't want the sheriff system repealed. As far as I can tell, the overwhelming number of legislatures and bureaucrats in both federal and state favor anything that 1. reduces the freedoms and liberties of the citizens and 2. increases government spending. Nothing else seems to matter to them.

 

[P2BA Firearms]

Interesting perspective.
I guess that would depend on the County your relying to approve your permit. Though I believe they all are required by state to follow certain approval process. I don’t think they can just deny for reasons outside the state and federal requirements.

I would disagree that a NICS is required in addition to a pistol permit. ATF Form 4473 required (if not a private transfer) for transfers, line # 29 “No NICS check is required because the transferee/buyer has a valid permit from the State where the transfer is to take place, which qualifies as an exemption to NICS.”

Regardless, I would be all in for the NICS check if it worked as promised. I can’t tell you how many rifle/shotgun purchases fell through because the NICS background check could not give an immediate approval.


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[BillG]

Interesting perspective.
I guess that would depend on the County your relying to approve your permit. Though I believe they all are required by state to follow certain approval process. I don’t think they can just deny for reasons outside the state and federal requirements.

I would disagree that a NICS is required in addition to a pistol permit. ATF Form 4473 required (if not a private transfer) for transfers, line # 29 “No NICS check is required because the transferee/buyer has a valid permit from the State where the transfer is to take place, which qualifies as an exemption to NICS.”

Regardless, I would be all in for the NICS check if it worked as promised. I can’t tell you how many rifle/shotgun purchases fell through because the NICS background check could not give an immediate approval.


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There is no approval process and sheriffs can and do deny for any reason. I have been a victim of that denial process. Before the concealed weapon permit system was enacted, I couldn't buy a pistol from a FFL. Only private transactions were available to me.

I wasn't aware of line #29, so thanks for that. But, that also means that if a sheriff approves a pistol purchase then no background check would be conducted, meaning a sheriff could approve a permit for a felon. Here I'm assuming the sheriff doesn't know the person is a felon. The sheriff is not required to conduct any background check himself. He can approve or deny as he chooses.

 

[P2BA Firearms]

There is no approval process and sheriffs can and do deny for any reason. I have been a victim of that denial process. Before the concealed weapon permit system was enacted, I couldn't buy a pistol from a FFL. Only private transactions were available to me.

I wasn't aware of line #29, so thanks for that. But, that also means that if a sheriff approves a pistol purchase then no background check would be conducted, meaning a sheriff could approve a permit for a felon. Here I'm assuming the sheriff doesn't know the person is a felon. The sheriff is not required to conduct any background check himself. He can approve or deny as he chooses.

There’s still a Federal Background check performed prior to getting a permit, that’s why you get finger printed. I can assure you that the Sheriff’s departments are not going to approve a felon. However, there is the possibility of an approved person becoming a felon prior to using the permit. In that case a NICS check does have the ability to catch. That’s one of the Gun Control arguments. Again, not against the NICS check but it’s going to affect same day purchases. Without going into detail Gun shows will have a negative fallout if passed.

 

[BillG]

There’s still a Federal Background check performed prior to getting a permit, that’s why you get finger printed. I can assure you that the Sheriff’s departments are not going to approve a felon. However, there is the possibility of an approved person becoming a felon prior to using the permit. In that case a NICS check does have the ability to catch. That’s one of the Gun Control arguments. Again, not against the NICS check but it’s going to affect same day purchases. Without going into detail Gun shows will have a negative fallout if passed.

Are you saying that sheriffs are required to conduct a background check?

 

[DrScaryGuy]

There’s still a Federal Background check performed prior to getting a permit, that’s why you get finger printed. I can assure you that the Sheriff’s departments are not going to approve a felon. However, there is the possibility of an approved person becoming a felon prior to using the permit. In that case a NICS check does have the ability to catch. That’s one of the Gun Control arguments. Again, not against the NICS check but it’s going to affect same day purchases. Without going into detail Gun shows will have a negative fallout if passed.

no fingerprints to get a purchase permit. at least not in cumberland.
only printed to get a carry license.

 

[P2BA Firearms]

Are you saying that sheriffs are required to conduct a background check?

Yes, absolutely.


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[GymB]

There’s still a Federal Background check performed prior to getting a permit, that’s why you get finger printed. I can assure you that the Sheriff’s departments are not going to approve a felon. However, there is the possibility of an approved person becoming a felon prior to using the permit. In that case a NICS check does have the ability to catch. That’s one of the Gun Control arguments. Again, not against the NICS check but it’s going to affect same day purchases. Without going into detail Gun shows will have a negative fallout if passed.

No fingerprinting for permits, at least not in Union county. They look at your d/l, you fill out some info, stuff happens, permits issued.

 

[P2BA Firearms]

no fingerprints to get a purchase permit. at least not in cumberland.
only printed to get a carry license.

Interesting. I was fingerprinted when I got a purchase permit, again when I got my Carry and yet again when I got my FFL. Catawba County. Each one took a little longer to get.
Sound like there may be variations from one county to the next.


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[P2BA Firearms]

No fingerprinting for permits, at least not in Union county. They look at your d/l, you fill out some info, stuff happens, permits issued.

You guys have me second guessing the finger printing for permits now. It’s been awhile since I got permits that way so my memory may be off. Still thought that background checks are done on some level for all permits. Now I am curious enough to make some calls in the morning.


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[Combat Diver]

I am not seeing this as a bad thing.

Why do we want to do away with out current permit process controlled by our local sheriffs department for one relying on the Federal Government?
I know they claim it only takes 5 minutes to get an approval, but I call bull! I am an FFL who’s runs many NICS background checks and very rarely receive an approval quickly. There’s more delayed responses which take up to five days before you get your gun. This also affects gun show purchases, without a CCHP you need a NICS background for every purchase. What happens when the system is down, overwhelmed, or something needs verification? You are not walking away with a gun. Let’s also not forget the current administration hoping for longer waiting periods, how does that play into the equation? Wouldn’t you want the pre-approval in hand before going shopping?
Unfortunately the NICS system is not where it can deliver so the Governor(though not by design) probably is doing us a favor. There are bigger battles need fighting and this is not one of them.

Please chime in, I am very open minded and like different perspectives so lets hear it.


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and how long does it take to get that PPP? Week or months, which is even a longer delay. Plus time off to go down to the sheriffs office twice. Once to drop off and second to pick up. You are forgetting to add that time. I remember the times of just filling out the 4473, drop your money before NICS. As resident in many states after NICS such as Texas, Kentucky and Tennessesse just do4 473, NICS and money thing for any firearm and out the door.

CD

 

[GymB]

and how long does it take to get that PPP? Week or months, which is even a longer delay. Plus time off to go down to the sheriffs office twice. Once to drop off and second to pick up. You are forgetting to add that time. I remember the times of just filling out the 4473, drop your money before NICS. As resident in many states after NICS such as Texas, Kentucky and Tennessesse just do4 473, NICS and money thing for any firearm and out the door.

CD

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

 

[BlackGun]

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

Totally agree. No PP for $5 will be a FFL at $25. But the fact Cooper was always going to veto it made the fight pointless until the next election.

You guys have me second guessing the finger printing for permits now. It’s been awhile since I got permits that way so my memory may be off. Still thought that background checks are done on some level for all permits. Now I am curious enough to make some calls in the morning.


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I live in Catawba County. No finger printing for pistol permits. I’ve obtained dozens. You have made good points. People yell Freedom but yet don’t see the results that come with it.

 

[P2BA Firearms]

and how long does it take to get that PPP? Week or months, which is even a longer delay. Plus time off to go down to the sheriffs office twice. Once to drop off and second to pick up. You are forgetting to add that time. I remember the times of just filling out the 4473, drop your money before NICS. As resident in many states after NICS such as Texas, Kentucky and Tennessesse just do4 473, NICS and money thing for any firearm and out the door.

CD

I am not forgetting any of that time. What I am saying, if forced to do a NICS for every transaction say at a GunShow we will have a problem. If you want to rely on a NICS background at a gun show you may not be going home with the gun you want. A lot of Vendors are not local to shows so if you get a delayed response from NICS, which happens frequently, once approved you will have to drive to the FFL’s place of business to pick up or have it shipped to a local FFL. With a Purchase Permit it’s a pre-approval, you find the gun you want, hand it over, go home with the gun. Granted its a trade off but it going to hurt how some sell and purchase guns.
Currently you can also get multiple permits at a time. You will give that option up and have to get a NICS check every time you buy. There are multiple angles to consider here.


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[Combat Diver]

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

PPP not needed for rifles and shotguns only handguns for private transfers. Criminals don't follow them anyway. Just an infringement for law abiding. Who are free?????

CD

 

[Combat Diver]

I am not forgetting any of that time. What I am saying, if forced to do a NICS for every transaction say at a GunShow we will have a problem. If you want to rely on a NICS background at a gun show you may not be going home with the gun you want. A lot of Vendors are not local to shows so if you get a delayed response from NICS, which happens frequently, once approved you will have to drive to the FFL’s place of business to pick up or have it shipped to a local FFL. With a Purchase Permit it’s a pre-approval, you find the gun you want, hand it over, go home with the gun. Granted its a trade off but it going to hurt how some sell and purchase guns.
Currently you can also get multiple permits at a time. You will give that option up and have to get a NICS check every time you buy. There are multiple angles to consider here.


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True, and how many gun shows are missed before getting that PPP? Again, all are infringements on our rights. Even the Shall Issue CHP. One I have to jump thru hurdles to carry concealed and open carry doesn't have those hurdles. Again criminals disregard.

CD

 

[P2BA Firearms]

Totally agree. No PP for $5 will be a FFL at $25. But the fact Cooper was always going to veto it made the fight pointless until the next election.



I live in Catawba County. No finger printing for pistol permits. I’ve obtained dozens. You have made good points. People yell Freedom but yet don’t see the results that come with it.

Did the research and yes I was wrong about the finger printing but not about the background check. All PPP’s are issued from the state and only processed by the local sheriffs departments. One of the items on the Sheriff’s checklist is to perform a NICS.
Isn’t there a saying that Freedom comes with a price?


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[Combat Diver]

Did the research and yes I was wrong about the finger printing but not about the background check. All PPP’s are issued from the state and only processed by the local sheriffs departments. One of the items on the Sheriff’s checklist is to perform a NICS.
Isn’t there a saying that Freedom comes with a price?


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Freedom comes in the price of blood spilt. Not taxed and litigated to death. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin

I have spent over 5.5 yrs in Iraq and 6.5 yrs in Afghanistan. I've seen the price paid!

CD

 

[P2BA Firearms]

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

I keep talking about the loss at Gun Shows but you definitely hit upon a bigger point. You are so right!


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[P2BA Firearms]

Freedom comes in the price of blood spilt. Not taxed and litigated to death. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin

I have spent over 5.5 yrs in Iraq and 6.5 yrs in Afghanistan. I've seen the price paid!

CD

Thank you for your service! I cannot express my gratitude enough! God Bless!


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[kcult]

I keep talking about the loss at Gun Shows but you definitely hit upon a bigger point. You are so right!


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I believe we have another hacked account.

 

[Stogies]

Read an article where somebody was bemoaning doing away with the PPPs because it would take away the ability to deny guns to certain "dangerous" people hat don't show up in the NICS system. Like people having been arrested but not charged yet, charged but not found guilty yet, accused of domestic violence etc etc etc. Thought about it for a minute and then realized ... they have not been found GUILTY yet and that's the only bar they there should be.

 

[Ferrisfan]

“Gun permit laws reduce gun homicides and suicides and reduce the availability of guns for criminal activity," Cooper said in a veto message.

He gets away with this in part because a large chunk of gun owners don't really do social media. I am posting all about his "dog whistle" here saying that it is OK to deny minorities their legal right to own firearms (minorities are rejected for PPP at rates higher than whites) because a racist sheriff can deny processing paperwork for someone who could pass a NICS check...but I have very limited followings.

 

[ChickenHawk]

I am not forgetting any of that time. What I am saying, if forced to do a NICS for every transaction say at a GunShow we will have a problem. If you want to rely on a NICS background at a gun show you may not be going home with the gun you want. A lot of Vendors are not local to shows so if you get a delayed response from NICS, which happens frequently, once approved you will have to drive to the FFL’s place of business to pick up or have it shipped to a local FFL. With a Purchase Permit it’s a pre-approval, you find the gun you want, hand it over, go home with the gun. Granted its a trade off but it going to hurt how some sell and purchase guns.
Currently you can also get multiple permits at a time. You will give that option up and have to get a NICS check every time you buy. There are multiple angles to consider here.


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The NICS checks at gun shows in Virginia were never an issue during the short time I lived there during the Obama years when gun sales were fairly high.

Why should you have to spend extra time going out of your way to the sheriff's office for permission to exercise a right? I live decently close to my sheriff's office, but if I was on the extreme southern end of Alamance County it would be an annoyance for me for sure.

 

[Downeast]

Many Sheriff's require paperwork that is not required to obtain a permit. Every Sheriff has a different "policy" when it comes to the permit process. It's political.

 

[SCshooter]

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

And yet private transactions 20 minutes south of your location seem to work just fine without a PPP.

 

[DrScaryGuy]

He gets away with this in part because a large chunk of gun owners don't really do social media. I am posting all about his "dog whistle" here saying that it is OK to deny minorities their legal right to own firearms (minorities are rejected for PPP at rates higher than whites) because a racist sheriff can deny processing paperwork for someone who could pass a NICS check...but I have very limited followings.

do what you can, because you're right and people need to know

and how long does it take to get that PPP? Week or months, which is even a longer delay. Plus time off to go down to the sheriffs office twice. Once to drop off and second to pick up. You are forgetting to add that time.

again, county by county. cumberland has an online application. in 2019 i submitted for 5 permits and had a text message telling me to come pick them up within about 20 minutes. in 2020 i submitted for 5 permits and they mailed them in a couple days - so i didn't have to go to the office at all that time.

Still, i'm appalled by the concept that every sheriff's office gets to judge your moral character... i get looking at 5 years of your record, but the fact that they can ask you about further back - even though they're not "allowed" to use that info in their evaluation... so if you leave something out that is past the window of evaluation, you're not answering the question honestly and you CURRENTLY have bad moral character. And you have to pay for the privilege of all this

 

[Squanchy]

I am not seeing this as a bad thing.

Why do we want to do away with out current permit process controlled by our local sheriffs department for one relying on the Federal Government?
I know they claim it only takes 5 minutes to get an approval, but I call bull! I am an FFL who’s runs many NICS background checks and very rarely receive an approval quickly. There’s more delayed responses which take up to five days before you get your gun. This also affects gun show purchases, without a CCHP you need a NICS background for every purchase. What happens when the system is down, overwhelmed, or something needs verification? You are not walking away with a gun. Let’s also not forget the current administration hoping for longer waiting periods, how does that play into the equation? Wouldn’t you want the pre-approval in hand before going shopping?
Unfortunately the NICS system is not where it can deliver so the Governor(though not by design) probably is doing us a favor. There are bigger battles need fighting and this is not one of them.

Please chime in, I am very open minded and like different perspectives so lets hear it.


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Major issue in NC is the closed book open book BS. If you COULD have been found guilty of a crime that would put you in jail for more than a year you are barred from buying a firearm. Doesn't matter if you agree that's the law. NC in state will open that book to before you turned 18.

That's fine if it happened in NC and now you're in GA because NC will not release the documents. Your check goes through nics no problem here's your handgun sir.

If you were tried for the crime (still not found guilty) in NC before you were 18 and you still live here guess what no pistol for you. Because the sheriff's department will search back before you were 18. The sheriff's department also goes through records to see how many times you called 911 (not sure what that has to do with a PPP but whatever) among other things.

It's a Jim Crow law that needs to be repealed. The above example of the under 18 happened to a coworker of mine. He's 61 now and did 4 years in the army and became a pilot after getting out. He's still dealing with crap from when he was 16 that he was not found guilty of.

 

[The War Wagon]

Regardless, I would be all in for the NICS check if it worked as promised. I can’t tell you how many rifle/shotgun purchases fell through because the NICS background check could not give an immediate approval.

In EVERY state. I've seen it fail at my local LGS's many times during panic buying sprees ('08, '16, '20) in my 19 years up here. It don't take much to overwhelm the system (It's probably run on Win98 ) , and the system has BEEN overrun for going on 2 years now!

 

[pee wee]

Major issue in NC is the closed book open book BS. If you COULD have been found guilty of a crime that would put you in jail for more than a year you are barred from buying a firearm. Doesn't matter if you agree that's the law. NC in state will open that book to before you turned 18.

That's fine if it happened in NC and now you're in GA because NC will not release the documents. Your check goes through nics no problem here's your handgun sir.

If you were tried for the crime (still not found guilty) in NC before you were 18 and you still live here guess what no pistol for you. Because the sheriff's department will search back before you were 18. The sheriff's department also goes through records to see how many times you called 911 (not sure what that has to do with a PPP but whatever) among other things.

It's a Jim Crow law that needs to be repealed. The above example of the under 18 happened to a coworker of mine. He's 61 now and did 4 years in the army and became a pilot after getting out. He's still dealing with crap from when he was 16 that he was not found guilty of.

yeah, I know about that issue.

 

[Gator]

Maybe I’m just a defeatist, but with the ppp it is more difficult to argue for the elimination of private transactions, aka “universal background checks.” Eliminate the ppp and I’m afraid that the anti gun target becomes private transactions. The sound bites for that are pretty easy to sell to the general population, of course we need to make sure that felons can’t buy guns. I know, its a dumb argument, but the soundbite is compelling. If we eliminate the ppp but then lose private transactions, then we’ve lost big. Doesn’t seem to be worth the risk to me.

Seems like a valid point. PPP is a non issue if you have a carry permit. As someone once said "pick your battles......"

.

 

[GymB]

PPP not needed for rifles and shotguns only handguns for private transfers. Criminals don't follow them anyway. Just an infringement for law abiding. Who are free?????

CD

Agree, but that’s not the point. Think strategically instead of just fighting what’s immediately in front of us. This “win” buys a tiny bit of liberty at a huge cost in terms of legislators thinking they’ve done something huge for us, and at huge risk in terms of making the next fight harder for us. Leave it be, the real fight is constitutional carry. Get that, then we mop up this little stuff.

 

[GymB]

And yet private transactions 20 minutes south of your location seem to work just fine without a PPP.

The issue is not if they “work” whatever that might mean, I’d argue that they don’t do crap. Nevertheless there they are and they are a piece of the legal puzzle in NC and not in SC. Eliminating infringement is a state by state effort, comparing different states with different histories and statutes isn’t terribly productive.

 

[RedneckFur]

My biggest issue with the PPP system is that it's left up to each Sheriff to decide how to do it. I initially got my CHP 16 years ago because it was easier than getting a PPP from the (thankfully now retired) sheriff of Orange County. Pendergrass wanted you to have notarized 'testiments to your good character' from non-family members who lived in the county, and a list of every friend or relative working for the Sheriff's Dept. If you didn't know at least one person in the dept, your chances of getting your permit weren't very good.

CWP bypassed that completely, and taking the class and paying the fees was easier for me than getting people to write an essay about how nice a guy I was.

If PPP were "shall issue" in practice just like the CWP was, it would be less a thorn in my side than it is.

 

[GymB]

My biggest issue with the PPP system is that it's left up to each Sheriff to decide how to do it. I initially got my CHP 16 years ago because it was easier than getting a PPP from the (thankfully now retired) sheriff of Orange County. Pendergrass wanted you to have notarized 'testiments to your good character' from non-family members who lived in the county, and a list of every friend or relative working for the Sheriff's Dept. If you didn't know at least one person in the dept, your chances of getting your permit weren't very good.

CWP bypassed that completely, and taking the class and paying the fees was easier for me than getting people to write an essay about how nice a guy I was.

If PPP were "shall issue" in practice just like the CWP was, it would be less a thorn in my side than it is.

Fair. My experience has been nothing but simple and accommodating. I’ve had the desk officer tell me go to lunch at a local bbq place and then return to pick them up. It can be more of an infringement by some sheriffs, I hadn’t considered that.

 

[rufrdr]

My biggest issue with the PPP system is that it's left up to each Sheriff to decide how to do it. I initially got my CHP 16 years ago because it was easier than getting a PPP from the (thankfully now retired) sheriff of Orange County. Pendergrass wanted you to have notarized 'testiments to your good character' from non-family members who lived in the county, and a list of every friend or relative working for the Sheriff's Dept. If you didn't know at least one person in the dept, your chances of getting your permit weren't very good.

CWP bypassed that completely, and taking the class and paying the fees was easier for me than getting people to write an essay about how nice a guy I was.

If PPP were "shall issue" in practice just like the CWP was, it would be less a thorn in my side than it is.

I had no idea that the PPP was subject to such latitude in the requirements to issue. I thought it was essentially a background check and then issue the permit.

 

[MostWanted]

Of course, once again, the Repugs can say they tried, but just couldn’t. Go vote harder next time, moar elections.

Now I’m waiting for the usual handful on here to start saying the R’s don’t care about our rights and didn’t want it to pass anyway.

Ding ding ding! Less than four hours!
Republican leadership pushed this through the process despite all the misinformation from WRAL. Republicans voted for it about 95-1. On the Democrat side it was about 70-5 against. It was vetoed by a Democrat. Yet you blame the Republicans and resort to sophomoric name calling.

 

[Squanchy]

Ding ding ding! Less than four hours!
Republican leadership pushed this through the process despite all the misinformation from WRAL. Republicans voted for it about 95-1. On the Democrat side it was about 70-5 against. It was vetoed by a Democrat. Yet you blame the Republicans and resort to sophomoric name calling.

Why did republicans not pass this when we had the Senate and House and the ability to overrule the governor?

 

[noway2]

Yet you blame the Republicans and resort to sophomoric name calling.

The only reason they passed it at all was because they knew it would be a symbolic gesture that they knew would be vetoed and knew they would not be able to override it. Their motives are as transparent as plain glass: 1) to be able to say "we tried, but those damned democrats" in the hopes of convincing their "base" to continue to support them and 2) to try to make the democrats look like the bad guys to those who realize that the PPP is a racist, Jim Crow, era vestige all while doing NOTHING.

How is it that when they have (had) a supermajority that the only things they can pull off are things like marriage amendments that were bound to and did get over turned, bathroom bills, and giving their bourgeoise crony class a tax break while imposing a ton of fees on the little people. When have they EVER supported a pro-2A measure when it meant something. They're no different at the state level than they are at the federal level, with all those symbolic repeal Obozocare bills, until Trump took office and then there were none. They're nothing but a party of pantomime (theatrical entertainment).,

With "friends" like that, who needs enemies.

 

[cubrock]

Why did republicans not pass this when we had the Senate and House and the ability to overrule the governor?

When they had the House, Senate, and a Republican governor, Thom Tillis wouldn't let it get a vote in the Senate. It "wasn't the right time."