PPP REPEALED?????

1911gobang said:
SERIOUSLY?? I got an email saying the church carry and the PPP got passed in the senate with a veto proof majority!!!

If true…..

Imma do me happy dance!!!
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Not yet.

It’s already happened once. And after Roy vetoed it, the veto proof majority required to overturn the veto evaporated. Which is why we are right here, once again.
 
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I thought this only applied to churches that were also schools. It's not illegal to carry in church but it is illegal to carry on school grounds at any time. If you attend a church that is also a school then it would be illegal to carry there any time because it is always considered school grounds. This would include Sunday services when the church is operating but the school is not. Did I misunderstand something?
 
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One of the sponsoring Dems on one of these bills was so pressured by the party of love, that he voted against the very bill he co-sponsored.

Roy doesn’t cotton to having those in his party vote against him.
 
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spittinfire said:
I thought this only applied to churches that were also schools. It's not illegal to carry in church but it is illegal to carry on school grounds at any time. If you attend a church that is also a school then it would be illegal to carry there any time because it is always considered school grounds. This would include Sunday services when the church is operating but the school is not. Did I misunderstand something?
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No, that’s pretty much it.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
Concealed is concealed...
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Nevertheless, the risk/reward math is much affected.

Carrying on educational property is a felony. I’m not judging, just saying, gauge your interest accordingly.
 
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spittinfire said:
I thought this only applied to churches that were also schools. It's not illegal to carry in church but it is illegal to carry on school grounds at any time. If you attend a church that is also a school then it would be illegal to carry there any time because it is always considered school grounds. This would include Sunday services when the church is operating but the school is not. Did I misunderstand something?
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No you did not, the school part is the iffy bit.
 
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My church has a school attached. I don't carry. Misdemeanor is one thing, felony is a different animal. If I felt likely to be attacked I would violate it but as it stands the risk/reward isn't favorable.
 
www.wral.com

NC House sends pistol permit repeal bill to Gov. Cooper, after emotional debate on violence and gun rights

Pistol permits are the only thing stopping many domestic abusers from easily buying a gun in North Carolina. Republicans say repealing them is an important Second Amendment priority. Democrats fear increase in violence.
www.wral.com www.wral.com

"The state's pistol permit rules give local sheriffs broad discretion to deny people a permit — like for people with mental problems, or who the sheriff believes to be involved in crime even if they haven’t been convicted."

Is that true? I thought we were a shall issue state? "Believed" to be involved in crime? Seriously? I realize that technically shall issue applies to CHPs but on what planet would it make sense to have a lower bar for getting one of those than a PPP? With a CHP you no longer need a PPP anyway.

"In addition to felons, people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions are also banned from buying guns. However, due to a federal court ruling several years ago, the federal background check system is legally banned from flagging most domestic violence convictions out of North Carolina due to the vague way that prosecutors here charge those cases."

A misdemeanor should not be an issue for gun rights, if the abuse was serious maybe it should not be prosecuted as such? Sounds more like the domestic abuse laws need overhauling? Is this specific for domestic abuse misdemeanors or does any old misdemeanor disqualify? That would be a very low bar indeed.
 
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When(not if) it gets vetoed, it'll be used as campaign promises we tried but super pooper Cooper is evil slogans.

Kinda surprised that they didn't use the racist reasoning for the permits to be repealed.
 
Red Marley said:
Do people really believe the absence of a permit is going to stop a punk from getting a gun?
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yes, they actually do.
And even if they have the wit to acknowledge it, they STILL think that making it harder for you and me to buy one will stop crims from getting one.
 
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Jeppo said:
Now, if they’ll just crush The Gun Show Loophole.
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Hey can we start our own double-speak campaign? Maybe something like allowing policitians to say any damn thing they want to without accountability is The Lying Loophole.
It's alliterative, everyone on both sides know pols lie all the time... I think it could catch on.
 
Stogies said:
"In addition to felons, people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions are also banned from buying guns.
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yep, and they still are and the PPP isn't stopping that, the magic of the 4473 is:

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If signs and forms and registries don't work, well then.... never mind, this is the media we're talking about.
 
Jayne said:
yep, and they still are and the PPP isn't stopping that, the magic of the 4473 is:

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If signs and forms and registries don't work, well then.... never mind, this is the media we're talking about.
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I missed that, thanks! Naturally I don't ever had to check the box. So in other words the PPP just adds an extra check on that subject that is essentially redundant.
 
Catfish said:
yes, they actually do.
And even if they have the wit to acknowledge it, they STILL think that making it harder for you and me to buy one will stop crims from getting one.
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I honestly wonder if they really are so stupid as to believe that, or if they just refuse to admit that they are stupid enough to believe that a location where only the State's agents has guns will result in paradise when history is full of examples to the contrary.

In either case, they are obviously too stupid to be allowed to have a say in setting public policy.
 
Chriselalto said:
When(not if) it gets vetoed, it'll be used as campaign promises we tried but super pooper Cooper is evil slogans.

Kinda surprised that they didn't use the racist reasoning for the permits to be repealed.
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You can rest assured if the left was the party trying to repeal PPP, they would absolutely throw the race card. And they are the only faction allowed to throw it….
 
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So when is Pooper scheduled to veto this?
 
Stogies said:
www.wral.com

NC House sends pistol permit repeal bill to Gov. Cooper, after emotional debate on violence and gun rights

Pistol permits are the only thing stopping many domestic abusers from easily buying a gun in North Carolina. Republicans say repealing them is an important Second Amendment priority. Democrats fear increase in violence.
www.wral.com www.wral.com

"The state's pistol permit rules give local sheriffs broad discretion to deny people a permit — like for people with mental problems, or who the sheriff believes to be involved in crime even if they haven’t been convicted."

Is that true? I thought we were a shall issue state? "Believed" to be involved in crime? Seriously? I realize that technically shall issue applies to CHPs but on what planet would it make sense to have a lower bar for getting one of those than a PPP? With a CHP you no longer need a PPP anyway.

"In addition to felons, people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions are also banned from buying guns. However, due to a federal court ruling several years ago, the federal background check system is legally banned from flagging most domestic violence convictions out of North Carolina due to the vague way that prosecutors here charge those cases."

A misdemeanor should not be an issue for gun rights, if the abuse was serious maybe it should not be prosecuted as such? Sounds more like the domestic abuse laws need overhauling? Is this specific for domestic abuse misdemeanors or does any old misdemeanor disqualify? That would be a very low bar indeed.
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It’s WRAL, nuff said
 
"Pistol permits are the only thing stopping many domestic abusers from easily buying a gun in North Carolina"

Yes, rifles and shotguns have never been used in crimes.

"Democrats fear increase in violence"

Democrats fear increase in violence against criminals on Democrat payroll.
 
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