Precision rifle questions

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Does anyone have any thoughts about the Bell and Carlson m40 stock vs an HS Precision vs the Magpul Hunter? Do these stocks benefit from being bedded or fit to the rifle?

Also, is 5-R rifling better than normal rifling? If so, is the difference noticeable?
 
5r is magical, especially if it's on a remington!!%@#%^@^#

Or not... ;)

I have a rifle in a cheapie Choate stock that shoots lights out. Any of your options will be fine. Pick the one you like. Screw down your rifle parts into it... shoot it... If you don't get the accuracy you believe your rifle should be capable of. Bed it. Don't assume you need to change something until you've actually tested it.
 
I'm more trying to figure out what I want at this point. The magpul stock seems like a good option for adjustability. I held an accustocked 10FCP that seemed nice but the stock just felt cheap in my hands. Have not held a magpul though.
 
The accustock is pretty much considered to be disposable... Any of the options you listed are going to feel better and provide better structure for the rifle to sit in. Is one more accurate than the others? Eh... tough call there. Either way I'd torque it down, shoot it.. and then decide if you want to try and bed it. Or you can go the other route and just bed it no matter which one you go with. Assuming it's done correctly, it's certainly not going to hurt anything. Only bad thing of that approach is if you decide the sell the stock.

I think with the barrel the biggest thing is pick one that'll support the weights of bullets you want to shoot. Traditional vs 5r can be debated ad nauseum. No matter what the rifling, if it's not the right length/twist for your goals you've hurt yourself.
 
It's going to be really tough to beat the Magpul for a price/performance aspect. If those were my options I'd go with it. Without going to a chassis, McMillan and Manners make awesome stocks that are well above the price tange you're looking at.
 
Do most people buy a rifle and modify it or build from an action? I was considering trace's EPR or getting a rifle to modify myself.
 
Buying and modifying vs custom build depends on budget issues and your time frame. With money being no object, cash readily available and you're patient, custom build has my vote. Custom builds tend to get very pricey and can take time, the best builders I know are months behind. There is another option for custom builds. Some rifle smiths will build rifles to place for sale online. It is a custom built rifle, but its not to your exact specs and it will still be pricey. Me personally, if I'm paying the same price I want it to my exact specs, but thats just me. Buying and modifying would be the way to go if money is a issue or if you had rather be getting some trigger time while you save up money. You can buy a ok rifle, scope it out with good glass, base and rings. Now you can be getting trigger time and practicing the basics plus learning other important things like ballistics of your caliber and reloading while you save money for better barrel, trigger, stock, and etc. So it mostly will depend on your budget and time frame of needing the rifle. 5R vs other rifling is like stated above can be debated for days. Having both, it has been my experience 5R was easier to break in (which breaking in is another debatable issue) and cleans up faster. Stock wise I can't not comment on the Magpul. I've handled rifles with the Magpul stock but not fired one. It does seem to fit me ok but that doesn't mean that it preforms. I have McMillan, H S Precision and Bell & Carlson. All three have met my needs and preform well. All three are also bedded and hand fitted by great rifle smiths. I have not researched the Magpul stock to see if it can be bedded and fitted. I recommend whatever stock you go with that you have it bedded and fitted by a rifle smith. Just my 2 cents, opinions and your milage may vary.

mckenziedrums had some very good points above about barrels. Its more important to get the correct twist rate for the caliber and bullet weight than rifling in my opinion.
 
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HS Precision and B&C are both good stocks, both a billion times better than accustock or the Hogue the Remmy comes with. Generally there's not much additional benefit for more bedding. They can be heavy, though.
 
The MagPul is the better option dollar for dollar.

I have access to them. Send me a pm and I can quote u colors / options
 
B&Cs are good stock. Cheekweld usually needs somethin more with a large objective. Lack of DBM without additional work kinda sucks.

Bedding mine resulted in a zero shift, so I would say some stresses were taken out, it seems more consistent, but to be honest my record keeping sucks so I can't say it is definitively.
 
I think my goals are shooting out to 600 yds occasionally. This rifle will be hunted with out to 200 yds.
 
1:10 twist will do everything you need it to do... That'll basically give you access to any bullet weight you could shoot in a 308. Length is really dependent on you. With a 308 it really doesn't have a dramatic impact because of the case capacity. If you want a light rifle go with an 18" or 20" barrel. With 600 yards as the max you don't really have a need to go with the longer barrels to squeeze every last foot per second out of it.

168s or 175s will be your bread and butter bullet weights.
 
20 in barrel will get you to 600 yards with no issues. Remember when it comes to stretching it out, you must have a scope with enough adjustment. I've seen several guys have a rifle that could reach way out but they would put a scope with a 1 in tube on the rifle and run out of adjustment. I haven't shot my 20 in rifle that far in awhile but I think it needed somewhere in the 16 MOA of elevation with my 168s load for 600 yards. I can try to dig out my old log books if you really need it but that should be close and of course your milage will vary based on the load your shooting. If you have a scope with a 1 in tube and not a lot of adjustment make sure to use a 20 or 30 MOA scope base. With the 1:10 twist you will be at the starting end with 168s and 175s and you could load heavier weights. I agree with mckenziedrums 168s and 175s should be your best performers for the 600 yard range.
 
I want a caliber that is available everywhere and is a great hunting performer also. I originally wanted .30-06 but options are limited in that caliber for a heavy barreled, threaded rifle. .308 seemed a reasonable compromise
 
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