Range report 3-5-2020, new gun.

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To keep Billy from having to ask again what gun I got recently, I'm posting my targets from this morning.
(I was going to make him wait till I see him Sunday. It's not like we all haven't seen a lot of these guns, though!)

I didn't do brilliantly, but I'm not used to this gun yet. Here you go:
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As you can see form the first target, I'm doing low left....again. Some were extremely low! I'll sort that out eventually.
I have to learn a new gun. Should be interesting.

I really like my new-to-me G48, and it has a nice fireball!
The slide does not lock back when the 15-round magazines are empty. I have no idea if this is usual or not, it's just a new thing for me.
 
Millie said:
To keep Billy from having to ask again what gun I got recently, I'm posting my targets from this morning.
(I was going to make him wait till I see him Sunday. It's not like we all haven't seen a lot of these guns, though!)

I didn't do brilliantly, but I'm not used to this gun yet. Here you go:
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As you can see form the first target, I'm doing low left....again. Some were extremely low! I'll sort that out eventually.
I have to learn a new gun. Should be interesting.

I really like my new-to-me G48, and it has a nice fireball!
The slide does not lock back when the 15-round magazines are empty. I have no idea if this is usual or not, it's just a new thing for me.
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You do know that the idea is to hit the center of the target right, just saying it before @Jeppo can.:D
 
teamglock2002 said:
You do know that the idea is to hit the center of the target right, just saying it before @Jeppo can.:D
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Jeppo wouldnā€™t have said that. He has no idea about those things. :(
 
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Nice. I want a 48. I think they are quite snazzy.
 
JT said:
Mr. Curious here would like to ask what you specifically like about the 48 over the 19.
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I'm not a glock guy, or even a semi auto guy, but it would seem to me personally with the thinner profile of the 48, if you can get 100% reliability out of the aftermarket 15 round magazines, the glock 19 would be obsolete to me for concealed carry.
 
Millie said:
To keep Billy from having to ask again what gun I got recently, I'm posting my targets from this morning.
(I was going to make him wait till I see him Sunday. It's not like we all haven't seen a lot of these guns, though!)

I didn't do brilliantly, but I'm not used to this gun yet. Here you go:
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As you can see form the first target, I'm doing low left....again. Some were extremely low! I'll sort that out eventually.
I have to learn a new gun. Should be interesting.

I really like my new-to-me G48, and it has a nice fireball!
The slide does not lock back when the 15-round magazines are empty. I have no idea if this is usual or not, it's just a new thing for me.
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The magazine assuming it is a Shieldarms 15 rounder is most likely defective IMHO if it is not locking back the slide. They are designed to lock the slide back but there have been a fair amount of reports of them failing to do so. Ask them to replace it or get you a new stronger replacement spring which IIRC is the issue. It could be you are riding the slide lock and you check that by firing the gun one handed or have someone else shoot it to verify it is the mag. I am betting its the mag.

As to the low and left. Have @BatteryOaksBilly drift the sight just a hair and you will be fine. Lots of people shoot Glocks left. Larry Vickers recommends this if the gun is consistently left with you behind the trigger. It does not matter if someone else can shoot it POA POI. If you always shoot it left there is no shame in drifting the sights. I drift my Glock sights just a bit.

The low part I am guessing is because you are looking over your sights to see where you are hitting, anticipating the recoil or have a weak off hand grip causing the pistol to move down as you shoot it.
 
wvsig said:
The magazine assuming it is a Shieldarms 15 rounder is most likely defective IMHO if it is not locking back the slide. They are designed to lock the slide back but there have been a fair amount of reports of them failing to do so. Ask them to replace it or get you a new stronger replacement spring which IIRC is the issue. It could be you are riding the slide lock and you check that by firing the gun one handed or have someone else shoot it to verify it is the mag. I am betting its the mag.

As to the low and left. Have @BatteryOaksBilly drift the sight just a hair and you will be fine. Lots of people shoot Glocks left. Larry Vickers recommends this if the gun is consistently left with you behind the trigger. It does not matter if someone else can shoot it POA POI. If you always shoot it left there is no shame in drifting the sights. I drift my Glock sights just a bit.

The low part I am guessing is because you are looking over your sights to see where you are hitting, anticipating the recoil or have a weak off hand grip causing the pistol to move down as you shoot it.
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What he said! For me different guns shoot in different places. Some shoot left (g19) some shoot right (cz) and others were right on (shield). If you can consistently get good groups but just seem to be a little off just move sights a little. Problem solved....
 
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JT said:
Mr. Curious here would like to ask what you specifically like about the 48 over the 19.
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The 48 is a tad narrower, I think. It seems not as bulky as the 19 when I'm carrying it on my belt. The grip is kind of skinny, but it feels good in my hand and doesn't hurt me, so that's ok. The trigger feels not as gritty to me as the one on the 19. (Jury still out on the sights.)

The big test will come as I shoot it more...can I be better with this one than with the 19? Stay tuned.....
 
dwhite6637 said:
I'm not a glock guy, or even a semi auto guy, but it would seem to me personally with the thinner profile of the 48, if you can get 100% reliability out of the aftermarket 15 round magazines, the glock 19 would be obsolete to me for concealed carry.
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Yes, the G19 is gone.....lol. I hated to see it go, since it was my first Glock....y'all know how attached I get to my guns.
I gave the G48 about 100 rounds today, and probably that many tomorrow. I like it!
 
Just my opinion: if you are shooting low left you have a technique problem and need to fix it.
Moving sights is not a fix.
Glock shoot straight. They donā€™t shoot low left.
Shooters with technique problems shoot low left.
Donā€™t ā€œfixā€ the gun (itā€™s not broken). Fix the actual problem.
Again, just my opinion.
 
NKD said:
Just my opinion: if you are shooting low left you have a technique problem and need to fix it.
Moving sights is not a fix.
Glock shoot straight. They donā€™t shoot low left.
Shooters with technique problems shoot low left.
Donā€™t ā€œfixā€ the gun (itā€™s not broken). Fix the actual problem.
Again, just my opinion.
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Yep, we all know the problem is ME!! I'll get it sorted out, this is a new gun for me, and the feel is weird, still. lol.
 
Millie said:
Yep, we all know the problem is ME!! I'll get it sorted out, this is a new gun for me, and the feel is weird, still. lol.
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Not just you, I shoot quite a bit, and shot anticipation is till something I struggle with the most.
Just have to keep it in the front on your mind and be aware of it, and work on it.
 
NKD said:
Just my opinion: if you are shooting low left you have a technique problem and need to fix it.
Moving sights is not a fix.
Glock shoot straight. They donā€™t shoot low left.
Shooters with technique problems shoot low left.
Donā€™t ā€œfixā€ the gun (itā€™s not broken). Fix the actual problem.
Again, just my opinion.
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I am going to disagree with this to some extent. I do not shoot BHPs, Sigs, 1911s, CZs etc... left on a regular basis. Yes some bullets end up left for one reason or another but as a general rule with my standard grip all these guns shoot to POA/POI. I can pick them up off a bench grip it and rip it and the groups are similar without leaning left. Glocks with my standard grip go left more then any other gun. I mainly shoot 19s and 17s. There is something about my standard grip that works with every other platform I run that does not interface with the Glock grip angle. Now if I adjust my grip I can get it to group POA/POI but why would I do that when simply drifting the sight works and allows me to standardize my grip across all platforms.

When I was younger and a more inexperienced shooter I would shoe horn myself into platforms because I wanted them to work for me. I would alter my grip position. I would change my off hand location or pressure. I almost had a different grip for every gun platform. Somewhere along the line I had an epiphany. I was better off if I standardized my technique and chose platforms that naturally worked for me or modify the platform. These days I modify the platform to fit me. Drift a sight. Change a trigger, a safety, a sight etc... yes even drift a sight on a Glock. We live in an awesome tine when it comes to choice in guns and accessories. Once you have a sound foundation you can fit any gun just about to you vs the other way around.

The dovetail is there for a reason. You can drift a sight for a reason. Take advantage if that donā€™t let ā€œfalse prideā€ deter you.Now I have never shot with Millie. I have seen pics and have certainly talked to people who have. There are certainly technique refinements that can and should be made but Glock low and left might not be one of them.It happens to experienced shooters who do not need the improve their technique. KH and LAV come to mind because I have personally heard them give this advise. Your personal interaction and interfacing with a particular platform may require adjustment to the firearm and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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NKD said:
Not just you, I shoot quite a bit, and shot anticipation is till something I struggle with the most.
Just have to keep it in the front on your mind and be aware of it, and work on it.
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I'll be headed back to the range to work on it some more this afternoon...lol. Shooting is fun anyway.
 
Millie said:
I'll be headed back to the range to work on it some more this afternoon...lol. Shooting is fun anyway.
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I'll be interested in your reports as to whether there is an aspect of the 48 that makes it a better shooter for you than the 19, and if so, what that aspect is and why.

Millie said:
The 48 is a tad narrower, I think. It seems not as bulky as the 19 when I'm carrying it on my belt. The grip is kind of skinny, but it feels good in my hand and doesn't hurt me, so that's ok. The trigger feels not as gritty to me as the one on the 19. (Jury still out on the sights.)
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From this, I'd have to guess that the grip difference is going to be a/the key. Sights and triggers are easily changeable and are often changed. But the 'feel' of the gun in your hand is not so much so, although I guess you could experiment with different lowers and slides toward that end. (By which time you probably should have considered a different gun entirely, I think.)

Keep us posted (as if you would not). ;)
 
JT said:
I'll be interested in your reports as to whether there is an aspect of the 48 that makes it a better shooter for you than the 19, and if so, what that aspect is and why.
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Yeah, good luck with that, because I'm too new to really discern that kind of in-depth stuff right now. But I'll report any bursts of brilliance I do happen to come up with.....lol.
 
wvsig said:
I am going to disagree with this to some extent. I do not shoot BHPs, Sigs, 1911s, CZs etc... left on a regular basis. Yes some bullets end of left for one reason or another but as a general rule with my standard grip all these guns shoot to POA/POI. I can pick them up off a bench grip it and rip it and the groups are similar without leaning left. Glocks with my standard grip go left more then any other gun. I mainly shoot 19s and 17s. There is something about my standard grip that works with every other platform I run that does not interface with the Glock grip angle. Now if I adjust my grip I can get it to group POA/POI but why would I do that when simply drifting the sight works and allows me to standardize my grip across all platforms.

When I was younger and a more inexperienced shooter I would shoe horn myself into platforms because I wanted them to work for me. I would alter my grip position. I would change my off hand location or pressure. I almost had a different grip for every gun platform. Somewhere along the line I had an epiphany. I was better off if I standardized my technique and chose platforms that naturally worked for me or modify the platform. These days I modify the platform to fit me. Drift a sight. Change a trigger, a safety, a sight etc... yes even drift a sight on a Glock. We love in an awesome tine when it comes to choice in guns and accessories. Once you have a sound foundation you can fit any gun just about to you vs the other way around.

The dovetail is there for a reason. You can drift a sight for a reason. Take advantage if that donā€™t let ā€œfalse prideā€ deter you.Now I have never shot with Millie. I have seen pics and have certainly talked to people who have. There are certainly technique refinements that can and should be made but Glock low and left might not be one of them.It happens to experienced shooters who do not need the improve their technique. KH and LAV come to mind because I have personally heard them give this advise. Your personal interaction and interfacing with a particular platform may require adjustment to the firearm and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Cool. I am of the mind that I would like to pick up any gun and be able to shoot it well. So I look inward when I am missing shots, regardless of what kind of gun it is. If I have any doubts, I verify if the gun is hitting POA on a bench, so I can stop blaming my zero and start trying to make shots.

I think those guns you mentioned (heavy guns with light triggers) just disguise poor technique better than Glocks. I shoot many different guns, too, and I don't shoot them low left either, unless I anticipate recoil and make them shoot low left. But the nature of the Glock trigger exposes things much more, like poor trigger control and weak (left) hand grip. It's a relatively light gun with a relatively heavy and long trigger. It's easy to push it left and low. Glocks are not a personal favorite of mine for shooting, and there are guns I would rather shoot most of the time.
But, if you take a Glock and lock it in a vice, line up the sights correctly, and press the trigger straight to the rear: it hits exactly where it should hit. It takes a human to make it go low left.
Just my opinion and if people feel drifting the rear sight is the solution, and that it is a gun problem, than they should by all means do what they feel is best for them. I'm no expert, just giving my thoughts on it.
 
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Millie said:
Is this to imply that I post too much?? Surely not! lol.
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Not at all! You are better than average about sharing your gun experiences.
 
Millie said:
Yeah, good luck with that, because I'm too new to really discern that kind of in-depth stuff right now. But I'll report any bursts of brilliance I do happen to come up with.....lol.
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Nothing in-depth. But something about it is better; I would like to know what.
 
NKD said:
It takes a human to make it go low left.
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Exactly!
I hope to be able to make this one NOT go low left fairly soon. lol.
I did eventually have some success with the G19 as far as not going low left went, and I think a few more rounds will help with the 48.....I'll be shooting it later today, and a lot on Sunday in Conway....
 
Millie said:
Yes, the G19 is gone.....lol. I hated to see it go, since it was my first Glock....y'all know how attached I get to my guns.
I gave the G48 about 100 rounds today, and probably that many tomorrow. I like it!
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You're not gonna miss that G19. I had a feeling that you'd never grow into that G19 to where you were content.
IMO from far away in the mountains, between those two the G48 is a better choice for you. My prediction is you'll come to terms with it faster and better.

And...what kind/brand of ammo are you using?
 
wvsig said:
I am going to disagree with this to some extent. I do not shoot BHPs, Sigs, 1911s, CZs etc... left on a regular basis. Yes some bullets end of left for one reason or another but as a general rule with my standard grip all these guns shoot to POA/POI. I can pick them up off a bench grip it and rip it and the groups are similar without leaning left. Glocks with my standard grip go left more then any other gun. I mainly shoot 19s and 17s. There is something about my standard grip that works with every other platform I run that does not interface with the Glock grip angle. Now if I adjust my grip I can get it to group POA/POI but why would I do that when simply drifting the sight works and allows me to standardize my grip across all platforms.

When I was younger and a more inexperienced shooter I would shoe horn myself into platforms because I wanted them to work for me. I would alter my grip position. I would change my off hand location or pressure. I almost had a different grip for every gun platform. Somewhere along the line I had an epiphany. I was better off if I standardized my technique and chose platforms that naturally worked for me or modify the platform. These days I modify the platform to fit me. Drift a sight. Change a trigger, a safety, a sight etc... yes even drift a sight on a Glock. We love in an awesome tine when it comes to choice in guns and accessories. Once you have a sound foundation you can fit any gun just about to you vs the other way around.

The dovetail is there for a reason. You can drift a sight for a reason. Take advantage if that donā€™t let ā€œfalse prideā€ deter you.Now I have never shot with Millie. I have seen pics and have certainly talked to people who have. There are certainly technique refinements that can and should be made but Glock low and left might not be one of them.It happens to experienced shooters who do not need the improve their technique. KH and LAV come to mind because I have personally heard them give this advise. Your personal interaction and interfacing with a particular platform may require adjustment to the firearm and there is nothing wrong with that.
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I am the exact same with any glock. I automatically give the rear sight a bump to the right when I buy one even before I shoot it. I have done this for twenty plus years.
 
wvsig said:
I am going to disagree with this to some extent. I do not shoot BHPs, Sigs, 1911s, CZs etc... left on a regular basis. Yes some bullets end of left for one reason or another but as a general rule with my standard grip all these guns shoot to POA/POI. I can pick them up off a bench grip it and rip it and the groups are similar without leaning left. Glocks with my standard grip go left more then any other gun. I mainly shoot 19s and 17s. There is something about my standard grip that works with every other platform I run that does not interface with the Glock grip angle. Now if I adjust my grip I can get it to group POA/POI but why would I do that when simply drifting the sight works and allows me to standardize my grip across all platforms.

When I was younger and a more inexperienced shooter I would shoe horn myself into platforms because I wanted them to work for me. I would alter my grip position. I would change my off hand location or pressure. I almost had a different grip for every gun platform. Somewhere along the line I had an epiphany. I was better off if I standardized my technique and chose platforms that naturally worked for me or modify the platform. These days I modify the platform to fit me. Drift a sight. Change a trigger, a safety, a sight etc... yes even drift a sight on a Glock. We love in an awesome tine when it comes to choice in guns and accessories. Once you have a sound foundation you can fit any gun just about to you vs the other way around.

The dovetail is there for a reason. You can drift a sight for a reason. Take advantage if that donā€™t let ā€œfalse prideā€ deter you.Now I have never shot with Millie. I have seen pics and have certainly talked to people who have. There are certainly technique refinements that can and should be made but Glock low and left might not be one of them.It happens to experienced shooters who do not need the improve their technique. KH and LAV come to mind because I have personally heard them give this advise. Your personal interaction and interfacing with a particular platform may require adjustment to the firearm and there is nothing wrong with that.
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I get both points of view, but if you drift the sights then can you ever improve or work on the issue? I am a low left guy. Unless I practice more often. If I shoot once a week I fix it fairly quickly. If I donā€™t, eh. Guess it depends on your personality and why you shoot.
 
Friday said:
You're not gonna miss that G19. I had a feeling that you'd never grow into that G19 to where you were content.
IMO from far away in the mountains, between those two the G48 is a better choice for you. My prediction is you'll come to terms with it faster and better.

And...what kind/brand of ammo are you using?
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I'm buying boxes of 1,000 rounds from various places, the kinds that come in a huge thick baggie! Mostly I think Blazer Brass?
 
NKD said:
I think those guns you mentioned (heavy guns with light triggers) just disguise poor technique better than Glocks.

But, if you take a Glock and lock it in a vice, line up the sights correctly, and press the trigger straight to the rear: it hits exactly where it should hit. It takes a human to make it go low left.
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This is very true.
 
Millie said:
I'm buying boxes of 1,000 rounds from various places, the kinds that come in a huge thick baggie! Mostly I think Blazer Brass?
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I've heard you say before that you buy 1000 rd packs, and I thought it might be that blazer brass as lots of places move that product on the cheap.
I ask because I've never had much luck with blazer ammo, whether it's brass or aluminum..in any caliber. My results mirror your pictures, groups that are sporadic and the weird flyers out of no-where. It shoots and all that but the accuracy (for me) is not consistent. I can never seem to get the same results from round to round. Others might do well with it but I could never keep the shots tight. I avoid it now.
Magtech, PMC, Seller & Bellot and Aguilla (surprisingly) have been good range choices for me. All are clean and consistent and shoot the same one after the other. My suggestion is to go get a box of Magtech and a box of PMC and see what happens with this new gun. My bet is your accuracy results will change, and it's a cheap thing to try.
eta- I'm sure you have tried different ammo in the past, but it's time to try again. :)
 
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Millie, at what pace are you shooting? Not asking you to setup a timer, but are you taking whatever time you need to recover from the shot, settle the sights, focus hard on the front sight, think about the trigger press and press the trigger, or are you blasting away? Do you find yourself adjusting your grip between shots? Do you do any dry fire practice?

Years ago I would blast away, and I never really improved. Then for about a month I shot several hundred rounds every day, I shot the same gun, and I shot very deliberately. A funny thing happened, I developed the strength and muscle memory to better control the gun and my eye developed the ability to follow that front sight through recoil. It was the coolest thing. Since Iā€™ve been playing with reloading and rifles and suppressors and shooting the damn sig p220 DAO which is the bane of my existence, rather than shooting my other pistols Iā€™ve probably lost it.

Iā€™m gonna start some dry fire today and get back to the pistols.
 
You are a gullible bunch...I have shared the range with her on many occasions. No telling how many thousands of rounds she put through the last G. This I can tell you without fear of contradiction...after you ALL give her ALL the advice you can muster up her take away after shooting several More thousands of rounds will be "I like this one, it goes Bang!"
See you tomorrow my Darling with your new Post Bait!!!!! Bring several of your ammo sacks!!!
 
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