Residential HVAC techs here? Might need service/advice

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We have a Trane XR13 outside and I think it needs a recharge or top off. Since there are countless reports of HVAC companies being dishonest, I was hoping to find someone who wouldn't try to screw us by snipping something here or breaking something there. We just want it recharged, at least to start with. The manufacture date is December 2014. Thanks a lot.
 

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My A/C tech just left. He suspects a compressor. Temp in house is 80. Fortunately we have a portable unit I've set up in the bedroom. I will be comfortable sleeping.
 
If it needs topped off there is a leak somewhere. Get that fixed first. Then top it off.

I don't see an obvious compromise in the equipment, so we'd gladly have someone check for the leak. Still looking for an honest tech. Thing was in the sun almost all day and never got the thermostat in the house to read 70. First time we noticed it, so seeking a good person to pay for honest services.
 
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Have you checked to see if it is still under the warranty, you may have to only pay for the labor.
https://www.trane.com/residential/en/for-owners/warranty-and-registration.html

Is the fan on the outside unit running all the time, I had a motor overheating until it stalled,
replaced it myself and the start run capacitor was also faulty.

The fan runs when the thermostat wants the house cooler. Everything seems normal, just not cold enough - or I think it should be colder. Came with the house, along with a newer Aprilaire thermostat. Maybe I should replace that first.
 
We set our thermostat at 80 in the summer.

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The fan runs when the thermostat wants the house cooler. Everything seems normal, just not cold enough - or I think it should be colder. Came with the house, along with a newer Aprilaire thermostat. Maybe I should replace that first.
Take a look at the copper lines to the compressor, any ice forming on the lines or valves?
Using a digital thermometer what is the temp of each line? (I'm not an A/C tech).
 
Take a look at the copper lines to the compressor, any ice forming on the lines or valves?
Using a digital thermometer what is the temp of each line? (I'm not an A/C tech).

Don't have that tool.
Nah, everything looks and sounds normal. Stupid heat pump nonsense, maybe it was just too hot and humid, and in direct sunlight. Annoying weather.
 
What did the unit get the inside temp down to? You're asking a lot of it to cool to 70Ā° in 95Ā° heat.......and you may be responsible for labor but I think any parts should still be under warranty should it need them.
 
We're in High Point right off 74/311.
Youā€™re not far from me. Yes, there are a lot of disreputable ones out there. For several years now, Iā€™ve been happy with Advanced out if W-S. Just watch the little add one like changing your capacitor as a preventative maintenance item for $50, when you can get the part for $10.

Beware, very beware, of any company that looks at it and says you need a new system. Also be cautious if they start quoting massive diagnostics to look for a leak.
 
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Something you can do for almost free is to help the condenser (outside unit) out a little. When it won't drop the temps at least 20 degrees, go outside and spray the evap coils with water from the hose. Do this for about 15 or so minutes and see what the drop in the house may be. The unit may be doing all it can but can't overcome the conditions...... If that doesn't have much effect then there is something wrong with the unit...
 
Something you can do for almost free is to help the condenser (outside unit) out a little. When it won't drop the temps at least 20 degrees, go outside and spray the evap coils with water from the hose. Do this for about 15 or so minutes and see what the drop in the house may be. The unit may be doing all it can but can't overcome the conditions...... If that doesn't have much effect then there is something wrong with the unit...
I did that with our upstairs unit yesterday. It was a couple of degrees off set point and outside you could feel hot air coming out of the condenser. It was doing all it could but itā€™s hard to reject a lot of heat into already hot air.
 
I'll be working today. By supply vent I assume you mean the return that's under the thermostat. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe he intends the vent(s) thru which cold air blows. He's likely interested in the difference between the room temperature air being sucked into your system and the conditioned air blowing out. That would be an initial indication of how the system is performing.
 
Our upstairs AC went out this Friday night. We slept downstairs all weekend until the tech could come out, which he did this morning. Looks to be the condenser fan motor. Hope the rest of the unit is GTG, if not.....
gonna be a long hot summer. That might be the final straw for this house to stay off the market.

BTW would have loved to have 80 degrees upstairs. It was 85 degrees at 11pm on Saturday NIGHT.....
 
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I grew up in Clemmons in an old craftsman style house that didn't have AC.
We didn't have AC until my parents built a new house in 1968.
I do not miss that part of the good old days.
 
I grew up in Clemmons in an old craftsman style house that didn't have AC.
We didn't have AC until my parents built a new house in 1968.
I do not miss that part of the good old days.
The first house I bought was built around 1903 and didn't have AC or insulation. I fixed both conditions. The AC was the best $2,000 I ever spent. Still the duct work wasn't designed for it, originally being a gravity fed coal furnace, so even though it has ducts upstairs that helped, we still used a window shaker in the bedroom.
 
I believe he intends the vent(s) thru which cold air blows. He's likely interested in the difference between the room temperature air being sucked into your system and the conditioned air blowing out. That would be an initial indication of how the system is performing.

Well I can tell you with certainty that it was wicked hot yesterday, and the unit is in direct sunlight after about 1.30pm. So maybe the house just won't get below 72 on the hottest of days, but that's around 20 degrees difference. Maybe it just needs a checkup, as well as myself.
 
Well I can tell you with certainty that it was wicked hot yesterday, and the unit is in direct sunlight after about 1.30pm.
One neighbor I noticed put an EZ up tent over his units to keep them in the shade.

One other factor is that the hotter they are, the higher the pressure difference that the compressor must move the gas across, which is where the cost goes way up.
 
One neighbor I noticed put an EZ up tent over his units to keep them in the shade.

One other factor is that the hotter they are, the higher the pressure difference that the compressor must move the gas across, which is where the cost goes way up.

I was thinking about erecting something to shade it from the sun.
 
I was thinking about erecting something to shade it from the sun.
I have mine under a shelter. Got tired of having to go out in the winter to break ice off of it so the fan would turn. My A/C tech said there needs to be a minimum space above the unit for air flow. Mine's about three feet from the fan. He said five would be better.

I'm strongly considering a misting system to put cold water across the condensers.
 
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Well I can tell you with certainty that it was wicked hot yesterday, and the unit is in direct sunlight after about 1.30pm. So maybe the house just won't get below 72 on the hottest of days, but that's around 20 degrees difference. Maybe it just needs a checkup, as well as myself.
I believe experienced techs expect to see a difference between return and supply in the area of 17 to 20 degrees. I'm not a tech but guess that if you have that (which means your unit is reducing the temperature of the intake air by 17 or more degrees), it's performing as designed.
 
I have mine under a shelter. Got tired of having to go out in the winter to break ice off of it so the fan would turn. My A/C tech said there needs to be a minimum space above the unit for air flow. Mine's about three feet from the fan. He said five would be better.

I'm strongly considering a misting system to put cold water across the condensers.

I thought about this this morning. What if I set up one of those misting hoses around the unit...great minds...
 
When you speak of running water over the condensers - what does this look like?
Can you see them from the outside? What if it was just water on the unit, would that do much?

I need to put some water on the grass and I could move the sprayer over a little so it also hits the HVAC unit too, if that'd help some
 
I have mine under a shelter. Got tired of having to go out in the winter to break ice off of it so the fan would turn. My A/C tech said there needs to be a minimum space above the unit for air flow. Mine's about three feet from the fan. He said five would be better.

I'm strongly considering a misting system to put cold water across the condensers.

DON'T DO A MISTING SYSTEM! I looked into this myself a while back and discovered that misting systems will actually reduce the effectiveness of the condenser due to mineral buildup on the coils and ultimately lead to premature failure.

For the OP, if your system has always worked fine in previous years the thing to look for is what is impeding it's performance now. Some things to look at would be cleaning the evaporator coils in your air handler, replacing your filters, and cleaning the condenser coils on your outdoor unit.

Also make sure that the condensate drain / pump from your air handler is open and working properly.

If you have a multi-speed blower motor on your air handler, if it's not working properly you can have reduced performance. Check to see that it spins freely (when turned off) and that all speeds are operating.
 
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Have ya'll forgotten about a fan blowing across a block of ice??? How about a swamp cooler in a window with water dripping through the excelsior??

Do ya'll even KNOW what a block of ice or excelsior is?????? Guess you've figured out my age by now....

Add humidity to the house??
Swamp coolers work in the dry West...
 
Having leak fixed today in a 3 year old lennox. Pin hole at outside coil. Can't save freon. Dump 11 pounds to air, fix leak, putt 11 back in at 79 bucks per pound plus labor.
 
Having leak fixed today in a 3 year old lennox. Pin hole at outside coil. Can't save freon. Dump 11 pounds to air, fix leak, putt 11 back in at 79 bucks per pound plus labor.
Umm, I'm going to assume that at 3 years old it is using R410-A, aka Puron. According to my quick web search this stuff was running $6.00 a pound a few months ago. 11 lbs sounds about right for a 3 ton unit or do. While you are paying some for the knowledge of the job, a 1300% mark up seems outrageous. I may be wrong but I don't think R410 requires a license to buy. At that price you might be better off getting the gauges, the gas, oil, and charging it yourself, but then they wouldn't warranty the job.

Did you at least get multiple quotes?
 
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Having leak fixed today in a 3 year old lennox. Pin hole at outside coil. Can't save freon. Dump 11 pounds to air, fix leak, putt 11 back in at 79 bucks per pound plus labor.


Why couldn't they save it? $79/lbs of 410A sounds insane. Did they at least kiss you afterwards?
 
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