Rittenhouse

Guilty or not Guilty

  • Guilty

    Votes: 3 2.7%

  • Not Guilty

    Votes: 77 69.4%

  • Lesser Charge Guilty

    Votes: 21 18.9%

  • If Guilty We Riot

    Votes: 8 7.2%

  • Don't Care either Way

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Total voters
    111
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Whoknows said:
According to Twitter two jurors are holding up the decision, citing fear of backlash.
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Radar said:
Shocker!!!! To me that means 10 are ready to acquit on all counts
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This is why I voted that he will be convicted on some kind of a lesser charge. The longer the jury takes to reach a decision the more likely they are to cut some kind of a deal with the holdouts so they can all go home.
 
Stick said:
This is why I voted that he will be convicted on some kind of a lesser charge. The longer the jury takes to reach a decision the more likely they are to cut some kind of a deal with the holdouts so they can all go home.
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I say this partially in jest, but I have wondered how it would go if the rest of the jurors decided that it was time for some percussive persuasion?
 
JohnnyTyler said:
Looks like it's starting to get spicy.

www.foxnews.com

Anti-Rittenhouse protester body-slams reporter outside Kenosha courthouse, arrested for battery

One of the two protesters arrested outside the Kenosha courthouse -- the man seen wearing a “F--- Kyle” T-shirt as officers took him into custody – is facing charges related to bail jumping, meaning he has a prior criminal record, Fox News Digital has learned.
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Way to go Genius. One would think since he has an outstanding warrant (felony bail jumping, misdemeanor bail jumping) he would keep a low profile. NOOOO, let's go to a protest and assault somebody.
 
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Stick said:
This is why I voted that he will be convicted on some kind of a lesser charge. The longer the jury takes to reach a decision the more likely they are to cut some kind of a deal with the holdouts so they can all go home.
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Ain’t no way I would ever cut a deal! I’d sit back with my feet up on the table and say just these simple words at every vote … BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! If they wanted to stay thru Thanksgiving or Christmas … hell I’d welcome in 2022 … but REASONABLE DOUBT is there for anyone with common sense and no agenda.
 
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NCFubar said:
Ain’t no way I would ever cut a deal! I’d sit back with my feet up on the table and say just these simple words at every vote … BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! If they wanted to stay thru Thanksgiving or Christmas … hell I’d welcome in 2022 … but REASONABLE DOUBT is there for anyone with common sense and no agenda.
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Understood, but the chances that one of us would have ever been selected for that jury are slim and none. I am speculating on what I think the jury will do, not what I think should happen. None of them volunteered for this mission, they are draftees, and after a few days most of them will just want to go home and be done with it. Human nature and all that. The other alternative is a hung jury, and if this drags out for more than one more day I think that's what we are going to have. In which case hopefully the judge will grant a mistrial with prejudice and let the poor guy go.
 
Stick said:
Understood, but the chances that one of us would have ever been selected for that jury are slim and none. I am speculating on what I think the jury will do, not what I think should happen. None of them volunteered for this mission, they are draftees, and after a few days most of them will just want to go home and be done with it. Human nature and all that. The other alternative is a hung jury, and if this drags out for more than one more day I think that's what we are going to have. In which case hopefully the judge will grant a mistrial with prejudice and let the poor guy go.
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We can only hope.
 
MSNBC has been kicked out of courtroom as a suspected employee was following the jury bus....ran a red light following it and got pulled over. He identified himself as whoever with msnbc and was told to follow the jury bus....

Tampering with jury....can we say mistrial with prejudice!!!!???

DS
 
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NCFubar said:
Ain’t no way I would ever cut a deal!
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:D:)😁😃😀😄I told a jury on a DUI trial I was on........Welllll, Y'all had better order some supper because I am NEVER voting Guilty....I was the Only hold out in the first Ballot...............................he was found Not Guilty. I have been on 2 Juries in my life...that one and one for a man charged for Burglary and being in possession of Burglary tools......Guilty on Burglary and I held out for Not Guilty on Possession of Burglary Tools. The man had a screw driver and a pair of channel lock pliers in his pocket. I asked each of the jurors how many of them could have been charged with Possession of Burglary Tools for carrying those same items. ;)🙋‍♀️
 
I voted Not Guilty in the poll.
However, if enough folks want to drive to the courthouse and peacefully destroy it and every business within one square mile, regardless of the verdict, count me in.
Full Disclosure: I would hope you can make sure to have a large enough dually to carry all the rifles and ammo I bring. Peaceful protests, sure, but then, any liberal shot with a .300 Win Mag will be peaceful, guaranteed💃💃💃💃💃
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
:D:)😁😃😀😄I told a jury on a DUI trial I was on........Welllll, Y'all had better order some supper because I am NEVER voting Guilty....I was the Only hold out in the first Ballot...............................he was found Not Guilty. I have been on 2 Juries in my life...that one and one for a man charged for Burglary and being in possession of Burglary tools......Guilty on Burglary and I held out for Not Guilty on Possession of Burglary Tools. The man had a screw driver and a pair of channel lock pliers in his pocket. I asked each of the jurors how many of them could have been charged with Possession of Burglary Tools for carrying those same items. ;)🙋‍♀️
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I hung a jury on a first degree murder trial once.
 
Amanda4461 said:
I voted Not Guilty in the poll.
However, if enough folks want to drive to the courthouse and peacefully destroy it and every business within one square mile, regardless of the verdict, count me in.
Full Disclosure: I would hope you can make sure to have a large enough dually to carry all the rifles and ammo I bring. Peaceful protests, sure, but then, any liberal shot with a .300 Win Mag will be peaceful, guaranteed💃💃💃💃💃
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There is no problem that can’t be overcome with the appropriate amount of C4.
 
Did a similar thing on a DWI case. Cop said he pulled him for crossing the Yellow line. Man was driving a crewcab 8ft bed dually truck out of a store on a 2 lane hwy. He hadn't drove 300ft when the blue lights came on.
Man blew a well under the legal limit.
Cop swore he was impaired.
He got let go found not guilty.
 
Fred said:
Story?
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I was living in Chatham Co at the time. This was circa 1999. There had been a triple shooting in a trailer park in a location known for drugs and prostitution. One guy (pimp and dealer) died. Two prostitutes survived. Three men were involved. One man was on trial. But there was NO evidentiary connection between him and the event. He was arrested in NYC. The prosecution never drew a line between the trailer park in Siler City and his arrest in NYC. There was no physical evidence. Just one eyewitness who identified the defendant but knew him by a name other than his own. So there was absolutely no "beyond a reasonable doubt." What is scary is that on our first poll 10 of 12 wanted to convict. I wasn't the only holdout but I was the articulate and outspoken one. So after I poked more holes than swiss cheese in the case in the jury room there was an even 6/6 split. But still.....scary....

My opinion.... Everyone involved, victims and alleged perp(s) were Hispanic. The investigation was shit. The house was littered with beer and liquor bottles as well as shell casings and not a single item was fingerprinted. Not that they didn't get usable prints. They didn't even TRY. The lead investigator admitted as much under oath. They didn't try because "who cares?"

But the guy they picked up in NYC was the guy right? Based on the testimony of one person who had been shot in the face during the event and lost the vision in one eye completely.

Do I believe he did it? 50/50....

But that ain't enough under our constitution.
 
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After the trial was over the defendant was remanded to custody. The judge sat us (the jury) down after and explained that the reason was that he had escaped prison and was on the run at the time the murder and attempted murders had been committed.

So he was going back to prison to serve out his other sentence.


One of the other jurors was visibly pissed at me upon learning this. BUT I stand behind my decision to vote no. While he very well may have done it. The DA did not PROVE it.
 
When I served on my first jury (so long ago I don't even remember the alleged crime), none of us jurors had ever served before. After closing arguments we shuffled into the jury room and were sitting around the table looking at each other like, "now what?". After about five minutes, the first one to speak was an old black guy. He said, "Well, whatchoo all gonna do with your fourteen dollars?" We all cracked up and then got on with business.
 
Red Marley said:
When I served on my first jury (so long ago I don't even remember the alleged crime), none of us jurors had ever served before. After closing arguments we shuffled into the jury room and were sitting around the table looking at each other like, "now what?". After about five minutes, the first one to speak was an old black guy. He said, "Well, whatchoo all gonna do with your fourteen dollars?" We all cracked up and then got on with business.
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I can't remember the total I got but it was for about 2 and a half weeks. The trial seemed to drag on forever but the proof still didn't materialize. I remember the .380 FMJ bullet that got passed around that had been through the dead guy's skull. But there was no match to a gun that was linked to the defendant so why waste out time with that?

I was just excited that my employer at the time paid me my usual rate for jury duty AND let me keep the jury check. :)
 
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rdinatal said:
Way to go Genius. One would think since he has an outstanding warrant (felony bail jumping, misdemeanor bail jumping) he would keep a low profile. NOOOO, let's go to a protest and assault somebody.
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Apparently i'll never be able to stop saying this.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT RATIONAL LIKE YOU AND ME, SO THEY DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU AND ME, AND YOU (A RATIONAL PERSON) WILL NOT BE ABLE TO THINK LIKE THEM.
Assume the worst is going to happen and plan accordingly.

2ASteve said:
This country and the justice system has gone to hell, should of had a mistrial way before closing arguments.
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The more I think about it the more i like that he's waiting until the jury has a verdict. other people have discussed it here. There are plenty of grounds for a mistrial, but a mistrial, even with prejudice, is not quite as good as "not guilty". With a true not guilty, it's basically erased. he was tried and found not guilty. it's legal. mistrial with prejudice just means the prosecution broke a rule, but "he probably did it". he'll wear that stink forever.
Not guilty means he can sue the crap out of everybody who said he broke laws too. Everybody who called him a murderer gets to look over their shoulder. And I hope that's what happens.

2ASteve said:
Many have wore a dwi that blew under the legal limit due to copsplaining he was impaired
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yeah well, he failed the field sobriety test. and the cops are trained to detect intoxication.
 
rdinatal said:
You're either DUI or not. There is no penalty for almost.
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Many years ago Cale Yarborough was coming home from a race and was stopped on I20 between Columbia and his home in Sardis.
He was charged with DUI. Thanks to the video that was taken when his Breathalizer was administered he was found Not Guilty. He blew Well Over but the video proved that he was not Impaired In the Least. While there obviously has to be a point somewhere so that folks can be charged or released, some that blow .17 are not impaired where others that blow an .08 are Soused. This is where a Jury Nullification is in order.
 
I got a guy off for a DUI. The ADA subpoenaed me to testify if I saw the guy in the car when I got there and I didn’t because he was out of the car. He never claimed he was driving and I couldn’t say he was behind the wheel. Trooper wasn’t happy but I didn’t see him do the crime…did he prolly so but that’s not what they asked nor why I was called to testify.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Many years ago Cale Yarborough was coming home from a race and was stopped on I20 between Columbia and his home in Sardis.
He was charged with DUI. Thanks to the video that was taken when his Breathalizer was administered he was found Not Guilty. He blew Well Over but the video proved that he was not Impaired In the Least. While there obviously has to be a point somewhere so that folks can be charged or released, some that blow .17 are not impaired where others that blow an .08 are Soused. This is where a Jury Nullification is in order.
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I said DUI. Never said how it was determined.

Do I take a breathalyzer as Gospel? Nope, but I've seen many types of DUI.
 
All this DUI stuff reminds me of a coworker telling her jury duty story. Long story short, a guy comes out of a bar, drunk. He gets in his car AND SITS THERE. He does NOT put the keys in the ignition. Cop saw him, pulled patrol car up behind him. Orders him to start car and back up. He backs up into patrol car. Cop charges bum with dui.

My coworker only one on jury who says not guilty. Convinced all other jurors that it was entrapment. You have no, AS in ZERO, idea of what he was GOING to do until commanded to back up. he got off.
 
I got stuck on a jury once where the guy was charged with attempted murder. This was probably 30 years ago, but as I remember two guys got in a fight. One pulled a knife so the other one smacked him with a tire iron and put him in the hospital. Now, thug # 2 had a rap sheet as long as your arm, for everything from assault and battery, shoplifting, grand theft to drug possession. Pretty much a 1 man crime wave, and the other guy was one of his partners in crime. Damnedest thing was, he was in court watching the trial and cheering his buddy on. The cops and DA were trying to get him (thug # 2) off the street, but after 1 day everyone on the jury knew it was a clear case of self defense. We had to vote not guilty, knowing full well that he was going to be right back in there again. Sure enough, 6 months later I saw where he had been arrested for stealing a car. That time they were able to send him to the state pen.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I can't tell, so I have to ask..was this ^^^^sarcasm???? There is no inflection in the written word. Wanna make sure I understand.
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That's because i didn't mean any sarcasm, inflection, or opinion. I was just repeating the sort of thing i've heard before.
now f you want my opinion of that sort of reasoning... you're gonna have to ask me in the special access forums.
 
JohnFreeman said:
All this s**t just because the cops didn't do their jobs.
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No, All this shit because the cops weren't allowed to do their jobs.
Should be, all this shit because the worthless, gutless politicians wouldn't allow the cops to do their job and gave them orders to stand down and let them loot and burn and riot.
 
phideux said:
No, All this shit because the cops weren't allowed to do their jobs.
Should be, all this shit because the worthless, gutless politicians wouldn't allow the cops to do their job and gave them orders to stand down and let them loot and burn and riot.
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