RO malfunction?

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This was this past weekend at area 1. Everyone needs to pay attention to the shooters. Never know when one is coming back. This could have been very bad quick.



 
Cameraman too far downrange at 0:10, scorekeeper downrange at 0:28, paster downrange at 0:30...whole lotta screwups in that video.

The RO's job is the watch the gun, so it isn't fair to blame just him. The scorekeeper, other RO's in the bay, and the rest of the squad share some of the blame, too.

Damn lucky no one was hurt in that mess.
 
drypowder said:
I haven't shot a match in a long time, but how the heck are all these people going downrange before shooter shows clear and RO announces firearm is clear?
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The scoring RO was probably scoring the targets "hot" and the paster assumed that meant the range was clear.

Lack of range discipline.

Lack of awareness.

Acute case of rectal-cranial inversion that could have easily cost the paster his life.
 
That's f--ken dumb.

The mindset of (I got to get home) ( let's run this faster so we can rotate )

Is not worth a life.

This is a constant pushing range fans and trying it make stages more and more complicated
 
JBoyette said:
That's f--ken dumb.

The mindset of (I got to get home) ( let's run this faster so we can rotate )

Is not worth a life.

This is a constant pushing range fans and trying it make stages more and more complicated
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Agreed.

We encourage our scorekeepers to score targets hot to keep things moving along, but only when the stage design makes that safe thing to do. We do not risk going downrange or putting ourselves in the path a shooter may decide to take.
 
drypowder said:
how the heck are all these people going downrange
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What defines downrange? Is there a line at the back of the bay no one crosses until the show clear?

The guy in the video, not a range officer but just some guy working the stage, definitely messed up. No question.

The general rule is the firing line is where the gun is, and if there's a chance the shooter comes uprange, you give them distance.

But I just find this statement overly simplistic.
 
Downrange is a simple concept. Stay the hell out of the area where the bullets are going until you're told by someone in charge that it's ok to go there.
 
Ben B said:
What defines downrange? Is there a line at the back of the bay no one crosses until the show clear?

The guy in the video, not a range officer but just some guy working the stage, definitely messed up. No question.

The general rule is the firing line is where the gun is, and if there's a chance the shooter comes uprange, you give them distance.

But I just find this statement overly simplistic.
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That mindset is wrong.

It needs to be changed.

I get dynamic situations and all that, but most match shooters and tactical dopes are over confident in ability.

If a stage is designed correctly you can have phases of a creeping firing line.

John
 
Ben B said:
Is there? Rule #?
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I believe most every match I've shot, every weekend, at five different ranges since January, including a sanctioned tier two match last weekend had a cord or line all shooters stay behind, except for timer and scorekeeper. New and improved for 2017. ;)

Edit: It may be local club rules being accommodated, but it was definitely at the Coastal Carolina Challenge in Southport.
 
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Ben B said:
Interesting. @Amp Mangum what's the deal with this? New rulebook?
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Ben, I just went through the new rulebook, 2017 Revision 2, and I'm not seeing a rule, per se. Seems like H20 in Dunn added ropes with their large matches. Ant Hill had them, although I had not shot there till this year. I am trying hard to remember if they had any in Clinton at Coharie, or Sanford at Deep River, or Buccaneer. H20 and Ant Hill are the standouts. It all kind of runs together shooting two matches some weekends, and one every Saturday.
 
fieldgrade said:
Seems like H20 in Dunn added ropes with their large matches. Ant Hill had them, although I had not shot there till this year. I am trying hard to remember if they had any in Clinton at Coharie, or Sanford at Deep River, or Buccaneer. H20 and Ant Hill are the standouts..
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Gotcha. From what I hear, Amp is involved with H2O, Deep River, and the big match at Ant Hill so he may be the common thread.

I'm interested because such a rule is what everyone is calling for, so if either Amp or IDPA is out in front of this kind of thing I'm curious why.
 
Ben B said:
Gotcha. From what I hear, Amp is involved with H2O, Deep River, and the big match at Ant Hill so he may be the common thread.

I'm interested because such a rule is what everyone is calling for, so if either Amp or IDPA is out in front of this kind of thing I'm curious why.
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He'll chime in. I ride with him almost every weekend to one or another of these. I may be remembering things incorrectly, like all those targets I shot out of order three stages in a row at Ant Hill a week ago. ;)
 
Here you go...from page 22 of rule book version 2017.2.

6.4 Stage Boundaries
Stage boundaries must be defined at each stage, located no more than 10 yards back from the furthest up range shooting position. Rope, tape, cones, flags, etc. must physically indicate these boundaries.
 
trcubed said:
Here you go...from page 22 of rule book version 2017.2.

6.4 Stage Boundaries
Stage boundaries must be defined at each stage, located no more than 10 yards back from the furthest up range shooting position. Rope, tape, cones, flags, etc. must physically indicate these boundaries.
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Well damn...

A rule no one follows.

Safety should always come before time pressure. No matter what
 
trcubed said:
Here you go...from page 22 of rule book version 2017.2.

6.4 Stage Boundaries
Stage boundaries must be defined at each stage, located no more than 10 yards back from the furthest up range shooting position. Rope, tape, cones, flags, etc. must physically indicate these boundaries.
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I saw that too last night, but interestingly, it's also in the 2015 rulebook. Maybe it has just been selectively "enforced" at various club matches.
 
There is a push from IDPA HQ to use and enforce stage boundaries so you will start seeing them at matches.
 
I will never wear a white t-shirt to a match again.
 
blewis3 said:
That would not have working on a stage at Bucanneer this past weekend. Lots of people two shots to the head on a no shoot.
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I am happy to report that of all the things I did wrong Saturday, that was not one of them.
For a change, lol.
 
hlpressley said:
I wondered how long it would take for the "Tactical Face Shooters" to come chime in about how unsafe competition Shooting is...

In reality, it's only unsafe for your ego!
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Was the quote directed at me? If so, let me know and I would LOVE to have this conversation openly.
 
Holy crap.
Makes my home range all that more inviting.
Besides these kind of things, there's other things I've seen at shoots that parallel similar idiocy and childish behavior.

I don't know if I'll ever go back to another organized shoot. The fun factor was diminishing when I did, and folks who have "papers" but no real clue are far too often in charge.
I know a generalization like this is unfair, and I apologize to those who do a great job. But any incentive for me to show up anymore and gamble on what will happen is rapidly disappearing.
 
Consider the sheer number of match videos on the internet. tens or hundreds of thousands? Millions maybe?
And rarely do you see anything like this. Because when it happens people rush to publish it and spread the danger fear.

The reality is that the drive to the range is far far far more dangerous.
 
hlpressley said:
Actually it wasn't, but if you feel the need to poke your chest out I'm not going to run away. Have at it!
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Thanks for the opening. Lol

I will say that a 180 is better when adjusted to a 90. But when the travel path goes side to side that 90 turns into a mess.

That's the key, travel path and Dynamics of the sport.
 
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