S&W fpc folding carbine

Cole_McD said:
I just don't understand the need or desire to fold at the breach. Just fold it behind the bolt, at the recoil assembly sacrificing a little length for not having to worry a out headspace all the time.

If they would so that, I'd actually be interested.
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Well, I understand. That’s where the middle is, so it minimizes the folded length.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
The reason Glock was popular was because of the Pistol not the mags.
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NCLivingBrit said:
Yes, you may see folks add an M&P to match the carbine but that's going to be a much smaller pool that those who would add a compatible carbine to a raft of handguns they already have.
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S&w is going to do what s&w does and make this thing unreasonably cheap. Folding / takedown guns are impulse buys for most fuds. They do not worry about small stuff like length of pull or ergonomics of reloads 😂. I'm sure gen 2 will fix the LOP issue for the rest of us or aftermarket.
 
Squanchy said:
S&w is going to do what s&w does and make this thing unreasonably cheap. Folding / takedown guns are impulse buys for most fuds. They do not worry about small stuff like length of pull or ergonomics of reloads 😂. I'm sure gen 2 will fix the LOP issue for the rest of us or aftermarket.
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With the KT rebate it's almost double what you can get a Sub2K for... Doesn't sound cheap to me.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
it might have been nicer if the folded it to the right so us righties (90% of the market) could also make use of the left side of the rail... it's not like you have to worry about blocking the ejection port when it's folded in half...
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what i said in that other thread...

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Squanchy said:
It just dropped, the 2.0 m&p was expensive the first few months.

As the kids say let that boy cook.
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remember the keltec p50 selling for 1100 at first? it's down to under 700 much of the time now.
 
Squanchy said:
Nah need the right side open so you can run a light on the right and a tapeswitch on top like a real OpéπA+øR
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you'll be pleased to know that i have an aero lower with serial ending in 1337
 
NCLivingBrit said:
I don't think it's Glock keeping the Glock ecosystem valid right now, it's all the third party manufacturers making them disposably cheap and infinitely configurable (outside of the basics of frame size and action).

I built my last "Glock" for about the price of a Taurus G3. It's set up just like I want it, looks just like I want it and uses a cheap and plentiful magazine (Glock format Magpul mags).

Yes, you may see folks add an M&P to match the carbine but that's going to be a much smaller pool that those who would add a compatible carbine to a raft of handguns they already have. How many AR9s take M&P mags? Or anything other than Glock and Colt mags, with Colt magwells becoming less and less prevalent.

I'm pretty sure this will either be sidelined as a niche product or suddenly sprout Glock compatibility after sales underwhelm.

And that's before we consider the "parts bin abortion" anesthetics and ergonomics. I intentionally build/buy weird, ugly guns and even I think this thing is fugly.
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Is it just me or are Glock guys turning into the 21st century versions of 1911 guys? “listen sunny in my day all we had were Glocks and we liked it”
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Is it just me or are Glock guys turning into the 21st century versions of 1911 guys? “listen sunny in my day all we had were Glocks and we liked it”
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I'm not actually a Glockguy, I'm just poor. I prefer antique east European stuff like Makarovs and Tokarev but can't afford to indulge my fetish for ancient Commie steel.

I just don't see the point in releasing a mass market firearm that bucks the trends so sincerely AND looks like a build a gun website hit the random button.

Clearly you are somewhat invested in this and are taking my criticism a bit personally, so I'm just going to leave you to it.
 
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Squanchy said:
It just dropped, the 2.0 m&p was expensive the first few months.

As the kids say let that boy cook.
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I'm happy to let it simmer. If I want an ugly 9mm carbine I'll throw together another AR9 lol

This does have me considering a Sub2K again though, since my AR9 is now lacking a brace.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
I'm happy to let it simmer. If I want an ugly 9mm carbine I'll throw together another AR9 lol

This does have me considering a Sub2K again though, since my AR9 is now lacking a brace.
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Yeah but you ain't gonna fold that AR9.
 
9outof10mms said:
Yeah but you ain't gonna fold that AR9.
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I don't need to, with the 10" barrel it's pretty easy to shove in a backpack. I've had folding guns plenty of times and I typically find it a novelty that causes compromises.

I'd rather have a folding stock that leaves the firearm able to fire as is than break the action in two, but in this case it's pretty unnecessary. Plus I can conceal an AR pistol legally. Not so much a folded rifle.
 
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Cole_McD said:
I just don't understand the need or desire to fold at the breach. Just fold it behind the bolt, at the recoil assembly sacrificing a little length for not having to worry a out headspace all the time.

If they would so that, I'd actually be interested.
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Who worries about headspace in these things? I've had several Sub2Ks and never an issue, and never even heard of a headspace issue with them. All mine locked up tight, as well as my current one.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
I don't need to, with the 10" barrel it's pretty easy to shove in a backpack. I've had folding guns plenty of times and I typically find it a novelty that causes compromises.

I'd rather have a folding stock that leaves the firearm able to fire as is than break the action in two, but in this case it's pretty unnecessary. Plus I can conceal an AR pistol legally. Not so much a folded rifle.
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I prioritize compactness/concealability. Once I put a single point sling on a Sub2K and concealed it under my right arm over a tshirt and under an open button down shirt. I could reach up with my support hand and unlatch/unfold, charge it and be firing in under 3 seconds. It did interfere with drawing my pistol though. :(

Never understood the "fire while folded" thing. Can't think of any reason I would want to. If the threat is that imminent it is most likely also very close and in that case I'm going for my pistol. That's why I always wanted an SU-16CA and not the C.
 
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NCLivingBrit said:
I just don't see the point in releasing a mass market firearm that bucks the trends so sincerely AND looks like a build a gun website hit the random button.
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This what we said about Glocks when they first hit the market. Just because it’s going against the trends of today, doesn’t mean it won’t be tomorrows next big hit.

But I do get what you are saying.
 
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NCLivingBrit said:
I'm not actually a Glockguy, I'm just poor. I prefer antique east European stuff like Makarovs and Tokarev but can't afford to indulge my fetish for ancient Commie steel.

I just don't see the point in releasing a mass market firearm that bucks the trends so sincerely AND looks like a build a gun website hit the random button.

Clearly you are somewhat invested in this and are taking my criticism a bit personally, so I'm just going to leave you to it.
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Not invested in it at all just pointing out the mantra of “it gotta use Glock mags” is synonymous with “1911 is the greatest pistol of all time” and used by similar thinking people just separated by 50 years
 
NCLivingBrit said:
I'm happy to let it simmer. If I want an ugly 9mm carbine I'll throw together another AR9 lol

This does have me considering a Sub2K again though, since my AR9 is now lacking a brace.
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I like M&P and hate Glock so I’m not opposed here… but it does make me prefer a sub $300 Sub-2000.
 
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There's plenty of reports out there of sub2ks kabooming. Especially the gen 1s. Not something I ever cared to get too far off in the weeds on. Simple fact is that that barrel and the breach are relying on a polymer locking system which if it wears down over time can cause issues. Is that a realistic problem for this gun? Idk, but it's enough to give me the creeps.

Comparing it to a Glock barrel locking up is a bit of a strawman. Steel on steel contact and locking surfaces held in place under spring pressure. Maybe I'm just a dummy, definitely not a mechanical engineer.
 
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Cole_McD said:
There's plenty of reports out there of sub2ks kabooming. Especially the gen 1s. Not something I ever cared to get too far off in the weeds on. Simple fact is that that barrel and the breach are relying on a polymer locking system which if it wears down over time can cause issues. Is that a realistic problem for this gun? Idk, but it's enough to give me the creeps.

Comparing it to a Glock barrel locking up is a bit of a strawman. Steel on steel contact and locking surfaces held in place under spring pressure. Maybe I'm just a dummy, definitely not a mechanical engineer.
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I googled this and didn't find but 2 true kabooms related to the Sub2K. I've been on KTOG.org (admittedly not that frequently though) for over a decade and have never heard of a kaboom problem related to a flaw in the sub2000. I expect if there is a problem with the locking mechanism wearing down one would be able to feel it rattle or flex before a kaboom would likely occur. It's a good point though and I will keep a sharp eye on mine. If it was a known issue I would think M Carbo would smell $ and have metal replacement parts available. :)
 
I like what I see, compact package, optics can stay on folded, comes with a generous number and size of mags, muzzle is threaded, good trigger based on the reviews, compatible with already owned M&P mags (check for me). Only things that could have been added would be an adjustable buttstock and back up sights. The latter being an easy add on. And the price is not bad for the whole package either.
 
I have and love my Keltec sub2000 (in .40s&w, intentionally even). I have a weird kink for folding carbines but the lack of ability to effectively mount optics and have them remain zeroed is an issue with the top folding design. S&W did at least that right with their new model. Other than the “folding” aspect though…there are a lot of 9mm PCC’s on the market, and because apparently a lot of people like their pistol grips modeled after a lumpy 2x4 Glock is a big time player and magazines are everywhere. I’m thinking S&W need a gimmick outside of the side folder to compete, and it should be pretty easy for them to bring a 10mm to market. Hopefully soon…been eyeing a JRC in 10mm and almost pulled the trigger, but this came out and got me hoping that I could give my M&P 10mm a big brother.
 
Since S&W just release the M&P pistol in 5.7. I can see them making. 5.7 carbine next. Due to the length of the 5.7, one would think that a 10mm wouldn’t be far behind. A 10mm carbine may be what really saves the M&P 10mm pistol. I think the pistol took a hit when Sig released the P320 in 10mm.
 
Exspiravit said:
Lack of a threaded barrel is the only thing I don't like about them.
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9outof10mms said:
I meant the pistol. I’ve never liked a Ruger semi in plastic. The SR1911 is a thing of beauty and I love my GP100, but not their pistols, in my opinion.
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Have you tried an SR9 or SR9C? Great guns, accurate with an awesome trigger.
 
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Mathieu18 said:
I have the SR9, PCC and 10/22 takedown and love ‘em all.

Have you tried an SR9 or SR9C? Great guns, accurate with great trigger IMO.
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I had a buddy who used a sr9 to shoot a would be robber. It was up close and personal and he had to fire one handed. The ruger worked as it should and he hit the bad guy in the shoulder and chest.

He says he's going to carry that thing for the rest of his life.
 
Mr. Bggs said:
I had a buddy who used a sr9 to shoot a would be robber. It was up close and personal and he had to fire one handed. The ruger worked as it should and he hit the bad guy in the shoulder and chest.

He says he's going to carry that thing for the rest of his life.
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I was just shooting mine an hour ago, love how accurate it is, feels great in the hand. Mines a 9C, can carry with 10 or 17 rounds. I had a Shield previously with a trigger job, and shot it well but nothing like the SR.

I’ll admit it doesn’t like Sig VCrown 147GR, not sure why (or maybe it’s the 1 50 round box I got), but has an impossible time chambering the first round, though seems fine when it cycles itself. Maybe I ride it more than I realized? But no issues with Sig 124gr so I’ll just find a different boolit.
 
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Mathieu18 said:
I was just shooting mine an hour ago, love how accurate it is, feels great in the hand. Mines a 9C, can carry with 10 or 17 rounds. I had a Shield previously with a trigger job, and shot it well but nothing like the SR, I’ll take the barely noticeable footprint all day.

I’ll admit it doesn’t like Sig VCrown 147GR, not sure why (or maybe it’s the 1 50 round box I got), but has an impossible time chambering the first round, though seems fine when it cycles itself. Maybe I ride it more than I realized? But no issues with Sig 124gr so I’ll just find a different boolit.
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His is the fullsize and he had hydrashock ammo in it. He didn't have time to get a solid hold but it went bang and didn't jam. He fired 3 shots and connected on 2.

When he shot, the attacker tried to shoot back but after getting hit in the shoulder, he fired 1 time in the air as he jumped into some bushes in front of the townhomes.

I had never even looked at the sr9 before but after that incident, it's hard not to like them when i see them.
 
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