scissors are not deadly now?

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Friday must have been a slow day for news at wral.

Not the first time someone's been shot for wielding scissors, surely won't be the last.
 
First, there is NO situation so bad that it can’t be made worse by the introduction of cops.

Second, cops are a terrible choice in deciding who should handle a mental illness, or mental retardation case. They’re training is “comply or be assimilated executed”. Someone in that state is not going to comprehend let alone comply.

Third, it shouldn’t be the DA, whose part of team blue, who decides if the cops should be brought to trial for murder. It should be a jury of the local people.

Fourth, well, I’ll leave it unsaid, except to say smaller govt.
 
The scene depicted in two body camera videos is more complicated.
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One of the few liberal ideas I agree with regarding law enforcement is to send social workers to deal with people who are acting crazy. If the social workers encounter situations they cannot handle and a worker is killed or seriously injured, their agency could summon the police.
 
If this mental health situation gets this bad very often, he should have been in a institution permanently. There are lots of violently mentally ill people that should NEVER be out in public.

A local mentally ill teen bludgeoned his father to death years ago with hammer. Everyone was told that he wasn't violent, lol.
 
It's a wrong people, right place thing here. I've seen the cops who can talk people off a ledge. It's not in their job description, but it should be. Ultimately, its on the individual hanging off the ledge.

I don't fully agree with sending social workers to every mental health crisis call, sounds like a recipe for a lot of harmed/murdered social workers.

Not saying the cops are in the right here, but who's in the wrong when we send social workers to calls, they show up and get stabbed in the neck by someone who's snapped and got ahold of some scissors?
 
JohnFreeman said:
If only we had a staff of mental health pros willing to chat with violent perps holding weapons.
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I have a few family members who worked in an MRDD faculty, including my wife. They are taught protocols for dealing with this that don’t involve, “get on the ground now, blam blam blam, stop resisting”.
 
Stories like this more and more start to concern me.

For preface...I have a son who has violent outbursts. Brought on by early childhood trauma and drugs being in his system when born. When he was little, they were no problem as he was easy to overpower and control. But now at 7 its becoming harder and harder. A few weeks ago I had to rush out of a fundraiser when I got a text that he was having an episode at the part during a school dance. I then got a text that the police were involved now. By the time I run up to the scene I am greeted by the sight of two police officers over my son, one with a knee on his back. Again, he is 7. And knowing my son, they had to do it. So no fault to them at all. I was able to wrestle him away and the police just told us to get him out of the area. So we threw him in the van and raced home. A week later, he threw another fit going into a therapy session which ended up with me having some gnarly bite wounds, bruises, and tears. When the dust settled, there were 4 nurses in the room, about 5 other staff watching, 2 security guards, and 2 police. The police didnt get involved, just made sure I was ok, and took my info.

But...he is only 7. When he is 17, if he is still doing this, I could see him getting shot as well.

And for those who are thinkin' "Id never let my boy get away with that mess, id whoop em good." Good for you. I sincerely hope you never have a similar situation. Don't think we haven't tried that, plus about 20 other things. It's a psychological breakdown/illness, not naughtiness.
 
B00ger said:
And for those who are thinkin' "Id never let my boy get away with that mess, id whoop em good." Good for you. I sincerely hope you never have a similar situation. Don't think we haven't tried that, plus about 20 other things. It's a psychological breakdown/illness, not naughtiness.
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Clearly with your experience you're 100% correct here. You can't "whoop" that out of a child, it's either repressed or enhanced by it.

With your care for him, as he transitions in to adolescents, I would be interested to know how he might fare learning a martial art, especially taught by a teacher who understands where he's coming from. As he becomes more self aware, learning that control could have many positive effects that he's not currently capable of addressing.

My thoughts are with you man, keep doing your best for him.
 
Ṡalinnis said:
Clearly with your experience you're 100% correct here. You can't "whoop" that out of a child, it's either repressed or enhanced by it.

With your care for him, as he transitions in to adolescents, I would be interested to know how he might fare learning a martial art, especially taught by a teacher who understands where he's coming from. As he becomes more self aware, learning that control could have many positive effects that he's not currently capable of addressing.

My thoughts are with you man, keep doing your best for him.
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Thank you, and yes...with him, any physical reaction is met with an elevation of violence. It isnt like a normal kid that gives you that "why you hit me? waaah!" look. With him, and kids like him, popping him leads to a loud roar and an all out assault using every weapon he has. If one were to meet physicality with physicality it would put him in the hospital and me in jail.
 
B00ger said:
And for those who are thinkin' "Id never let my boy get away with that mess, id whoop em good." Good for you. I sincerely hope you never have a similar situation. Don't think we haven't tried that, plus about 20 other things. It's a psychological breakdown/illness, not naughtiness.
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You do the best you can, you love them, you care for them, you support them, but there is a limit to what you can do. If I had an answer, I’d gladly give it to you, but I don’t, though I do understand and sympathize.

I think the martial arts idea that @Ṡalinnis suggested is a good option to explore. It just might give him an outlet while at the same time instilling calm and self discipline that he seems to need.
 
noway2 said:
I think the martial arts idea that @Ṡalinnis suggested is a good option to explore. It just might give him an outlet while at the same time instilling calm and self discipline that he seems to need.
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A lot of people...especially school teachers and opinionated 3rd and 4th parties would shutter at the thought of putting a "violent" youth in to a sport of "violence". Yet the majority who go in to it, rarely come out unchanged if they follow it.

Not many kids with a not-so-easily snuffed fire burning in them, will get in to the sport and not fall in love with it...if not find their way towards the top in it thanks to that fire that they learn to control.

I'm a believer that every kid is "gifted" with something, it's how much support and direction they have with their "gifts", that make the man in the end.
 
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