Shots Fired at work this morning.

GymB said:
I’m a compassionate christian man, but it’s time to reinstitute chain gangs and work farms.

Is making prisoners earn their food inconsistent with historical tradition?
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Not going to happen because it allows them freedom from a cell for 8 hours a day plus way more expensive for added guards to the payroll.
 
BlackGun said:
Not going to happen because it allows them freedom from a cell for 8 hours a day plus way more expensive for added guards to the payroll.
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Maybe we add a little tech to solve for that. Electric collars that taze the prisoners if they get outside of a geofenced proximity. Same collar would GPS locate.
 
Les White said:
None of the men in my office were overly concerned, we're a (unofficially) well armed bunch.
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Heh! Brought to mind a scene from an episode of Hill Street Blues, back in the 80s.

Two guys walked into a bar with shotguns to hold the place up. Unknown to them, it was a "off duty police" bar, and every customer in the place drew their weapon on the guys!

Later on in that episode, the police chief walks in and sees these guys handcuffed on the floor, still being covered by some of the guys.

"What's with these two?"

"You won't believe it, Chief! These guys tried to rob the place!"

"Did you call it in?"

"Yeah, but nobody believes us! They won't send a wagon to pick these guys up!"
 
GymB said:
When stabbings and forklift races are in the same column it means something important, I just don’t know what.
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I don't think they were racing, at least that's what they told me. But I saw the aftermath of that once. At least it was only a foot that got stabbed.

Definitely not a good combination.
 
BlackGun said:
Not going to happen because it allows them freedom from a cell for 8 hours a day plus way more expensive for added guards to the payroll.
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8 hours? I’m thinking at least 12.
In the short term it might require additional guards, but I think in the long term maybe the deterrent effect reduces crime, maybe.
 
BlackGun said:
Not going to happen because it allows them freedom from a cell for 8 hours a day plus way more expensive for added guards to the payroll.
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Wouldn't the income provided to the state for the inmates services offset the cost of the additional guards?

I'm also in favor of the collar idea.

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GymB said:
8 hours? I’m thinking at least 12.
In the short term it might require additional guards, but I think in the long term maybe the deterrent effect reduces crime, maybe.
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I think the primary problem is the lack of guards for everything. The state is having a very hard time with recruiting and retention from what I’ve been told.
 
regarding guards and prison labor (cleanup highway litter) in NC...quote:

But Lee said prison closings and restrictions that kept prisoners from working near schools or businesses helped eat away at the number of miles of road they could clean.
Between 2010 and 2016, state law required NCDOT to pay the correction department more than $9 million a year for trash cleanup, but the miles cleaned fell from nearly 77,000 to about 32,000.
“The General Assembly looked at that and realized that’s not a supportable option anymore,” Lee said. Even paying prisoners $1 a day, contractors are more cost-effective,
state officials say, in part because they don't have to remain clustered within sight of prison guards and can clean up more trash.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article208597029.html#storylink=cpy
 
turkeydance said:
regarding guards and prison labor (cleanup highway litter) in NC...quote:

But Lee said prison closings and restrictions that kept prisoners from working near schools or businesses helped eat away at the number of miles of road they could clean.
Between 2010 and 2016, state law required NCDOT to pay the correction department more than $9 million a year for trash cleanup, but the miles cleaned fell from nearly 77,000 to about 32,000.
“The General Assembly looked at that and realized that’s not a supportable option anymore,” Lee said. Even paying prisoners $1 a day, contractors are more cost-effective,
state officials say, in part because they don't have to remain clustered within sight of prison guards and can clean up more trash.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article208597029.html#storylink=cpy
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So, turn the prisons full of violent criminals into dumps for all the trash contractors pick up.

If you can't take the criminals out to the trash, bring the trash into the criminals.
 
turkeydance said:
regarding guards and prison labor (cleanup highway litter) in NC...quote:

But Lee said prison closings and restrictions that kept prisoners from working near schools or businesses helped eat away at the number of miles of road they could clean.
Between 2010 and 2016, state law required NCDOT to pay the correction department more than $9 million a year for trash cleanup, but the miles cleaned fell from nearly 77,000 to about 32,000.
“The General Assembly looked at that and realized that’s not a supportable option anymore,” Lee said. Even paying prisoners $1 a day, contractors are more cost-effective,
state officials say, in part because they don't have to remain clustered within sight of prison guards and can clean up more trash.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article208597029.html#storylink=cpy
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So the problem is at the legislature. We need to have some chained prisoners picking up trash where school children can see them. Forget highways, give them brooms and rakes and send them into their neighborhoods to clean streets and vacant lots. Hopefully they don’t get shot by rival gang members.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
So, turn the prisons full of violent criminals into dumps for all the trash contractors pick up.

If you can't take the criminals out to the trash, bring the trash into the criminals.
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Or surround a quarry with a fence, minefield and tower snipers and just dump prisoners in it with a pup tent and a bare minimum set of gear.

Provide a ration of the minimum legal nutritional requirements made for cold consumption like a lifeboat ration that they can collect daily from armoured kiosks with heavily armed guards. Water is available from provided dispensers, ration foil/plastic wrapper is used as the cup.

You can present yourself 24hrs before your release date so you can be screened for disease, identified by genetic test and prepped for release.

Between going in and coming out you are on your own. You wanted to be outside of society and its law, so now you are.

Passing the marked limits of the prisoner facility is a shoot on sight action. Anyone making it into the minefield and triggering a mine will not be retrieved for treatment.
 
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turkeydance said:
regarding guards and prison labor (cleanup highway litter) in NC...quote:

But Lee said prison closings and restrictions that kept prisoners from working near schools or businesses helped eat away at the number of miles of road they could clean.
Between 2010 and 2016, state law required NCDOT to pay the correction department more than $9 million a year for trash cleanup, but the miles cleaned fell from nearly 77,000 to about 32,000.
“The General Assembly looked at that and realized that’s not a supportable option anymore,” Lee said. Even paying prisoners $1 a day, contractors are more cost-effective,
state officials say, in part because they don't have to remain clustered within sight of prison guards and can clean up more trash.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article208597029.html#storylink=cpy
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A chain gang cleaning the ditches in front of schools might work very well in my opinion.
 
BlackGun said:


When I was there the plant manager had killed someone in a bar years before. His name was Lewis M. One night a black dude cut a guy with a box cutter. He ran out the door and across the yard to the fence. He wasn’t able to get over the barb wire above the fence and we got his leg and ripped his chest out on the barb wire. All the blood got people excited and he got kicked about 20 times. Fun times. Justice was served on site. No need for a jury pool selection.

I worked on the train that moved the boxes from machine to machine. Every Friday the supervisor would do a punch board to make money. I won 2 bottles of liquor at 17 which he gladly handed me at break.


As you know growing up in Longview is not for the timid. Glad my kids didn’t have my experiences.
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What don’t kill you makes you stronger brother 🤘
 
Could give them fun challenges, like give them each a machete and let them loose in the everglades to kill snakes, or give them guns and let them hunt pigs. Eat what you kill. Obviously done in conjunction with exploding collars.

Or drop them off in southern Mexico with no ID and suggest that they walk back, or not.
 
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