Should they be in this country to start with ?

[Walkabout Dan]

They Grew Up Legally in the U.S., but Can't Stay After They Turn 21

WASHINGTON — In 2011, after five years of working and living with his family in the United States on a temporary visa, Barathimohan Ganesan submitted green-card applications for his wife, his 5-year-old daughter and his 11-year-old son. Ganesan, who was born in India and has also lived in...

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[gc70]

I came to despise H-1B visas before I retired. I couldn't count the times I encountered American IT workers who were training their replacements who were Indian or other Asian H-1B visa holders. It was a particularly nasty racket if an Indian became a manager with hiring authority, at which point there were suddenly no qualified Americans to hire and all subsequent jobs went to Indians. Senior management should have objected (and I advised several to do so), but they usually didn't because personnel costs went down substantially.

 

[Button Pusher]

Tata group in India big multinational conglomerate HQ in Mumbai, just say tata to your IT job here in the USA.

 

[noway2]

Ok, if I’m reading this right, someone came here on an H1B visa and had, to,put it politely, an “anchor baby” and the question is should the offspring becallowed to stay. My answer is NO. They're still effectively a citizen of whatever bung hol their parents came from and need to go home.

 

[Button Pusher]

Nanc Pelosi to the rescue.

Children Of H1B Visa Holders Will Now Become American Citizens Without Waiting For Years (But How?)

Children Of H1B Visa Holders Will Now Become American Citizens Without Waiting For Years (But How?)Recently, two key bills have been passedby the US House of Representatives creating a pathway to citizenship, likethose under the H-1B visa programme,

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[HMP]

Ok, if I’m reading this right, someone came here on an H1B visa and had, to,put it politely, an “anchor baby” and the question is should the offspring becallowed to stay. My answer is NO. They're still effectively a citizen of whatever bung hol their parents came from and need to go home.

Per our Constitution, being born here makes you a citizen. Period.
Do I like the idea of anchor babies? No, not really, but if we're on here preaching one Amendment then we must support all.

 

[Goofyfoot2001]

I’m not sure exactly how I feel about H1B visas. Seems like they have their place, but I am certain they are misused and work is over allocated to visa holders. We have US citizens with Masters degrees serving grande lattes, yet we need to hire using H1B visas because we can’t find qualified workers here?

How I feel is irrelevant. People here on a visa followed the rules. We’re either for the rule of law or against it. If everyone is following the law…. cool. Don’t like the law, change it.


Does the situation for the 21 year old man suck bigly? Yes, it does. He was brought here (not his choice) at 16, and grew up here with his family and friends. Now… the family has gained legal status to stay. He has no point of reference or support system in India. He is essentially a ‘foreigner’ there, if he returns alone.


It blows. But a lot of rules blow.

Companies don't want to train. They can just advertise across the globe for exactly what they want. Backnin the day, you got a tech job and they spend six weeks or more training you on the technology they used.

 

[gc70]

Per our Constitution, being born here makes you a citizen. Period.
Do I like the idea of anchor babies? No, not really, but if we're on here preaching one Amendment then we must support all.

The kids of the guy in the article weren't born in the US, or they would have been citizens and no green card application would have been needed.

The idea behind the H-1B visa was to allow businesses to temporarily use foreign skilled workers until they can find skilled American workers. The purpose of the H-1B visas was NOT to permanently recruit foreign workers, and particularly not to recruit foreign workers in preference to American workers.

The problem in the article arises from allowing H-1B visa holders to bring their families to the US and to remain here effectively indefinitely. As temporary workers, their families should not automatically be allowed to accompany them to the US. If H-1B workers had to come work in the US without their families, they would not be so anxious and willing to stay forever.

 

[DrScaryGuy]

a guy i worked with from india... he was a veterinarian, but switched over to human cardiovascular research. met a nice indian girl at michigan state. they got married, decided usa was way better than their home country. got greencards, he asked us to start correcting him whenever he said something that wasn't very american (eg the letter "H" being pronounced "haych" instead of as "aych"), moved to... winsonsin? to teach at a smaller university, and started looking into buying rifles.
I think he was pro-trump too... but i can't remember for sure. I remember him not liking hillary though.

 

[Chuckman]

H1B you say? I am surrounded by people in the medical profession with H1B visas, many, many of them nurses. As far as this profession goes, unfortunately we can't 'not' have them. Most of them are really good, and I know a lot of former visa holders who got citizenship.

 

[gc70]

H1B you say? I am surrounded by people in the medical profession with H1B visas, many, many of them nurses. As far as this profession goes, unfortunately we can't 'not' have them. Most of them are really good, and I know a lot of former visa holders who got citizenship.

At some point, America needed people to fill jobs in the medical profession and H-1B visa holders were a good temporary solution. Unfortunately, our government did not pursue a rational permanent solution; foreigners were happily imported rather than encouraging Americans to go into health care professions. Now, decades later, we have many (like you) who think our health care system must rely on foreigners while our colleges and universities merrily crank out angry and heavily-indoctrinated students with useless liberal arts degrees, crushing college debt, and effectively no job prospects.

 

[Chuckman]

At some point, America needed people to fill jobs in the medical profession and H-1B visa holders were a good temporary solution. Unfortunately, our government did not pursue a rational permanent solution; foreigners were happily imported rather than encouraging Americans to go into health care professions. Now, decades later, we have many (like you) who think our health care system must rely on foreigners while our colleges and universities merrily crank out angry and heavily-indoctrinated students with useless liberal arts degrees, crushing college debt, and effectively no job prospects.

Nursing schools, PA programs, and medical schools are limited with faculty and student ratios and by clinical placement. Those numbers are dictated by the respective professional organizations and accreditation agencies, not the government. In fact the government has been getting nursing to try to relax some of those standards in order to put more nurses into the workforce but our governing organizations won't do it.

So right now, this is the double-edged sword: We can say no more and close hospitals. Or we change the standards, hire more faculty, and become more creative with how we deliver the education.

Some creative things that my profession has done to pump more bodies in to the profession, they have made second degree programs enticing, so if you already have a bachelor's degree, they fast track the nursing program so you get a BSN in about 14 to 16 months. If you have previous healthcare experience, you can get credit for that and not have to take certain classes.

 

[noway2]

Nursing schools, PA programs, and medical schools are limited with faculty and student ratios and by clinical placement. Those numbers are dictated by the respective professional organizations and accreditation agencies, not the government

Ah yes, I keep forgetting about this aspect of the medical industrial complex in our empire. Anybody want to bet against the idea that part of the goal, even if it is a tacit one, is to keep the salaries elevated beyond that of what normal market dynamics would produce? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll hear all about accreditation and competency and yet the industry still cranks out a lot of bad mechanics who practice flip chart medicine.

There is a reason healthcare costs so much more here than in other countries and I don't buy the excuse of it being because of mal practice lawsuit payouts or insurance. There is a reason why when the state auditor asked Big Blue for the contract price of x,y,z he got 100+ pages saying the price is: redacted and most providers, including their flag ship ones, all turned down (something like) 210% of the Medicare pay scale.

Instead of importing foreign doctors lets remove the impediments to our domestic supply.

 

[Chuckman]

Ah yes, I keep forgetting about this aspect of the medical industrial complex in our empire. Anybody want to bet against the idea that part of the goal, even if it is a tacit one, is to keep the salaries elevated beyond that of what normal market dynamics would produce? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll hear all about accreditation and competency and yet the industry still cranks out a lot of bad mechanics who practice flip chart medicine.

There is a reason healthcare costs so much more here than in other countries and I don't buy the excuse of it being because of mal practice lawsuit payouts or insurance. There is a reason why when the state auditor asked Big Blue for the contract price of x,y,z he got 100+ pages saying the price is: redacted and most providers, including their flag ship ones, all turned down (something like) 210% of the Medicare pay scale.

Instead of importing foreign doctors lets remove the impediments to our domestic supply.

Salaries elevated? Where can I go to get this??

Now we're getting away from the visa issue, but there a billion reasons healthcare in the US is so expensive, and for all of those lobbies it's a Mexican standoff: no one will make a move until someone else makes a move. Malpractice. Insurance. Big pharma. Bloated infrastructure with too much administration. Built-in profit margins on, well, everything. Hidden costs. Risk management and legal. Emergency departments as primary care. The list goes on.

To be sure, I don't have an issue with foreign doctors who choose to come, stay, become productive members of our society by becoming citizens. But I do take issue with the competition for them taking residency spots over US applicants.

As far as nursing, get rid of the nurses with the visas. I have a job.

 

[gc70]

Nursing schools, PA programs, and medical schools are limited with faculty and student ratios and by clinical placement. Those numbers are dictated by the respective professional organizations and accreditation agencies, not the government. In fact the government has been getting nursing to try to relax some of those standards in order to put more nurses into the workforce but our governing organizations won't do it.

So right now, this is the double-edged sword: We can say no more and close hospitals. Or we change the standards, hire more faculty, and become more creative with how we deliver the education.

Some creative things that my profession has done to pump more bodies in to the profession, they have made second degree programs enticing, so if you already have a bachelor's degree, they fast track the nursing program so you get a BSN in about 14 to 16 months. If you have previous healthcare experience, you can get credit for that and not have to take certain classes.

The government can simply overrule the "professional organizations" that try to limit competition. And attracting students would be no problem: instead of attempting to eliminate student debt to buy votes, forgive a percentage of student debt for each year a person works as a nurse or doctor (i.e. forgive 25% of student debt for a 4-year degree for each year worked in the profession).

 

[Chuckman]

The government can simply overrule the "professional organizations" that try to limit competition. And attracting students would be no problem: instead of attempting to eliminate student debt to buy votes, forgive a percentage of student debt for each year a person works as a nurse or doctor (i.e. forgive 25% of student debt for a 4-year degree for each year worked in the profession).

I don't want the government to do anything to my organization. Every time they do, bad things happen.

I do agree that there are some creative things you can do to student debt for nursing school that would attract more people to the profession.

 

[Diablos]

Ok, if I’m reading this right, someone came here on an H1B visa and had, to,put it politely, an “anchor baby” and the question is should the offspring becallowed to stay. My answer is NO. They're still effectively a citizen of whatever bung hol their parents came from and need to go home.

Hell no, this anchor baby crap is a clear (and purposeful) misreading/application of the 14th

 

[HMP]

The kids of the guy in the article weren't born in the US, or they would have been citizens and no green card application would have been needed.

Im sorry for misunderstanding