Slide Stop vs slingshot

Almost without fail the things that I find work best for me are the things LV says I shouldn't be doing.
 
That upward looking camera view sure makes those guts stand out...

Also, for his "preferred" method...BUT IT'S A SLIDE "LOCK", NOT A SLIDE "RELEASE"!

Just sayin'...

;)
 
I could not listen to that dude teach a class all day. Something just grates on me.
 
Tim;n98091 said:
I could not listen to that dude teach a class all day. Something just grates on me.
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I feel like half the stuff he "fixes" was fabricated to begin with, or is/was an extremely limited segment of the population. I'll admit I don't have his time of experience, but I've seen dozens of ways to manipulate the M9, some good, some bad. Some of them did screw with the decocker/safety. NONE of them looked like that; it literally looks like it was purpose-built for someone to go "look, see how it fails".
 
RetiredUSNChief;n98080 said:
BUT IT'S A SLIDE "LOCK", NOT A SLIDE "RELEASE"!;)
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The locks I have on my doors lock the doors but also are used to unlock the doors. I certainly do not call them door unlocks even though that is one of their functions. I do not have to call the part a slide release in order to use it to release the slide.

Is it a magazine catch or magazine release? Does it matter?
 
RetiredUSNChief;n98080 said:
That upward looking camera view sure makes those guts stand out...

Also, for his "preferred" method...BUT IT'S A SLIDE "LOCK", NOT A SLIDE "RELEASE"!

Just sayin'...

;)
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That is incorrect. It is a slide STOP!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
I vote both. If everything is functioning normally, I usually hit the slide stop. If something feels funny and locks out I got straight to sling shot it to try and clear it. I have never had an otherwise normally functioning gun fail to go into battery from slide stop. The spring is at darn near full tension. Why would it not work? It's the gun doing what the gun is designed to do. Return to battery with a round stripped from the mag.
 
Another former face shooter that knows what he's talking about explaining why he prefers the slide lock...


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foobarred said:
Another former face shooter that knows what he's talking about explaining why he prefers the slide lock...


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I still like using my strong hand thumb. I get the gun back into battery and on target faster that way than any of the otther methods he demonstrated, and it doesn't interfere with my grip at all. Downside is that without lots of practice you can release the slide before the mag is fully seated.
 
Impossible to use my strong hand on my gun. Don't think anybody could do it, so that makes it an easy decision!
 
Interesting discussion. I used to be a slide release type. But, after I was taught over the top, slingshot, that's what I use by default. Although, I've been known to use both methods. It is a gross motor skill. Mr. McPhee's discussion is academic until you've actually experienced the loss your fine motor skills when it counts. All those other fine motor skills he says you will be doing anyway won't happen. There's no aiming with sights, there's no careful trigger control. You may end up trying to to use your gun as a club, because you can't operate it.
The overhand slingshot has a better chance of surviving this loss of muscle control and engrains a common malfunction drill for when your gun stops. An empty magazine can be considered a malfunction stoppage. There is an assumption here that if the slide is back and the gun is not running then it's empty. What if you have a double feed or failure to eject? What does that look like? Will you notice the difference? Will a mag change and slide release clear that? Not likely. Will that require you to stop, rethink and change actions? An overhand slingshot, by nature, might clear the stoppage and a repeated cycling and wrist twist ups those odds. I've been known to over-hand hold on to a slide and force cycle it a couple of times to clear a stoppage. The grip is the same, so it's a good default action.
I personally have also experienced guns/magazines for whatever reason make it very difficult to directly release the slide lock. Big muscles involved in an overhand slingshot vs a thumb.
It is slower, but more positive. Yes, if you're against a clock, a direct slide release will be faster if it's only a mag change. If I'm against a BG and my gun stops running, I'm not standing in the open changing mags or diagnosing a stoppage, hoping I'm so d@mn fast at it that the BG won't get a shot.

Just my personal perspective. YMMV
 
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georgel said:
Interesting discussion. I used to be a slide release type. But, after I was taught over the top, slingshot, that's what I use by default. Although, I've been known to use both methods. It is a gross motor skill. Mr. McPhee's discussion is academic until you've actually experienced the loss your fine motor skills when it counts. All those other fine motor skills he says you will be doing anyway won't happen. There's no aiming with sights, there's no careful trigger control. You may end up trying to to use your gun as a club, because you can't operate it.
The overhand slingshot has a better chance of surviving this loss of muscle control and engrains a common malfunction drill for when your gun stops. An empty magazine can be considered a malfunction stoppage. There is an assumption here that if the slide is back and the gun is not running then it's empty. What if you have a double feed or failure to eject? What does that look like? Will you notice the difference? Will a mag change and slide release clear that? Not likely. Will that require you to stop, rethink and change actions? An overhand slingshot, by nature, might clear the stoppage and a repeated cycling and wrist twist ups those odds. I've been known to over-hand hold on to a slide and force cycle it a couple of times to clear a stoppage. The grip is the same, so it's a good default action.
I personally have also experienced guns/magazines for whatever reason make it very difficult to directly release the slide lock. Big muscles involved in an overhand slingshot vs a thumb.
It is slower, but more positive. Yes, if you're against a clock, a direct slide release will be faster if it's only a mag change. If I'm against a BG and my gun stops running, I'm not standing in the open changing mags or diagnosing a stoppage, hoping I'm so d@mn fast at it that the BG won't get a shot.

Just my personal perspective. YMMV
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Are you aware of John's background?

Anything he shares about a gunfight is hardly academic.

In terms of experience encountering bad guys and needing to make effective choices to win the fight I think there's a very good chance that he has all of us beat combined.

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The slide on my main 1911 releases when I forcefully insert the next magazine. That's my favorite and fastest method :)

No, I have never broken and ejector or magazine in 10k's of rounds and a couple hundred matches probably.
 
foobarred said:
Are you aware of John's background?

Anything he shares about a gunfight is hardly academic.

In terms of experience encountering bad guys and needing to make effective choices to win the fight I think there's a very good chance that he has all of us beat combined.

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Not how I read it, but I see how you could read it that way.

Like him or lump him, LAV has street cred (as does Shrek). I have had classes with both of them (and John and....and....), and they all have been invaluable.

Regarding slide lock/release/thingy vs sling shot, I prefer sling shot, but train for both.
 
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I'm a southpaw so I have some funky manipulation going on. If I'm loading/unloading/chambering/etc in the house it feels awkward, but when I'm at the range it's much more fluid.

I am pretty much 100% slingshot.
 
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