Speaker of the House delivers most openly tyrannical threat to gun owners to date....

georgel said:
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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the post you quoted, when I first made it back on Canada before it was Canada, was the one that got me a visit from the FBI.
 
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SPM,
Thank you for that lesson.

Specops56,
Thats a very powerful quote.

I have lots to think about!
 
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Rob said:
SPM,
Thank you for that lesson.

Specops56,
Thats a very powerful quote.

I have lots to think about!
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Ultimately, it leads to a very sobering place. No rational man would wish to see such a future come to pass, but much as Thomas Paine said in The Crisis:

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my children may know peace."
 
SPM said:
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the post you quoted, when I first made it back on Canada before it was Canada, was the one that got me a visit from the FBI.
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Interesting. Was it in a similar context? I think btgere are done other replies here that are much more implicating than a movie meme. Just sayin'
 
georgel said:
Interesting. Was it in a similar context? I think btgere are done other replies here that are much more implicating than a movie meme. Just sayin'
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No, IImean the one you quoted. That basically describes what a civil war would look like.
 
^^^^^^

F' all that.

I will not comply with any of it.
 
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Oh...

And if any of you have not yet read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, read it. I think there's a PDF copy floating around out there on the net.

Yeah, it's a long read, but well worth it. Considering the current climate and the direction it seems to be headed, do yourself a favor and read it.
 
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Is this Legal?
NO

So the Pilgrims leave England in 1620 for Two main reasons,

  1. Freedom of Religion

  2. An oppressive government

    Our BOR is ratified 171 years later.
Now,present time, we citizens are losing(?) our rights at the hands of 'Power Brokers” and “Willful Idiots” hell bent on disassembling /disregarding / Ignoring the Constitution by and with any means possible, legal or not.

If this >Progressive< Trend continues, where will the 2nd group of Pilgrims move to?

Some 100 people, many of them seeking religious freedom in the New World, set sail from England on the Mayflower in September 1620.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_(Plymouth_Colony)

Original Ten Amendments: The Bill of Rights
Passed by Congress September 25, 1789.
Ratified December 15, 1791.

Bill of Rights
Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 Search and arrest
Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
Amendment 10 States' rights

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm



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YeeHaa said:
Is this Legal?
NO

So the Pilgrims leave England in 1620 for Two main reasons,

  1. Freedom of Religion

  2. An oppressive government

    Our BOR is ratified 171 years later.
Now,present time, we citizens are losing(?) our rights at the hands of 'Power Brokers” and “Willful Idiots” hell bent on disassembling /disregarding / Ignoring the Constitution by and with any means possible, legal or not.

If this >Progressive< Trend continues, where will the 2nd group of Pilgrims move to?

Some 100 people, many of them seeking religious freedom in the New World, set sail from England on the Mayflower in September 1620.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_(Plymouth_Colony)

Original Ten Amendments: The Bill of Rights
Passed by Congress September 25, 1789.
Ratified December 15, 1791.

Bill of Rights
Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 Search and arrest
Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
Amendment 10 States' rights

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm



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Just look into what steps and direction the Government is taking us with our Civil Rights, that's a good way to determine where they actually stand. No mentioning by the Media or NRA about any of it either. Don't allow any Firearm Legislation to pass people...we will need them soon. Bumpstock Ban (Sets precedent to ban firearms/parts/attachments for no reason) Assault Weapons Ban 2019 (Ban almost all Semi Automatic Weapons) National Red Flag Laws (Gun Confiscation) Universal Background Checks (Full Gun Registry) The new AG has stated his top priority is Gun Confiscation...the fact Trump supports Red Flag Laws and pushed/signed the Bumpstock Ban as well as appointing Barr is some really frightening shit and people are blinded by support for Trump to even notice whats going on in the background. PLEASE, LOOK INTO THIS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. I had support for Trump until he signed the Bumpstock Ban and gave support for Red Flag Laws, Im a bit concerned on what he will do with Diane Feinstein's Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 or Mark Rubio's National Red Flag Laws as they were just proposed during this "shutdown"... Trump has said multiple times that "the Second Amendment is Safe". Trump ran on "The War on the Second Amendment is Over" all 2017 and yet he has passed more Firearm Legislation than Obama did in his 8 years....I felt like he slapped me in the face along with every other Patriot and real American that loves this country and knows what the Government is out to do. The Bumpstock Ban allows the ATF to redefine "Fire rate" which will allow any semi-automatic to be considered a "Machine gun". Every Semi-Auto is now on the plate for banning in the near future as the ATF now has been given the power to re-class any of them as "Machine Guns", if your firearm is semi-auto and is made after May 1986' then it has the possibility of being banned. This bill also gave way to the arbitrary banning of parts, accessories, and attachments for any reason. So expect that when a Democrat as power of a Town, City, State, or the Country - all your Semi-Auto's are now sitting on the chopping Block thanks to this legislation riding through...that was Backed both by the NRA and Trump. The Red Flag Laws being passed state to state destroy Due Process and they dont even need evidence or proof to roll out a call to confiscate firearms and take your civil rights in the middle of the night now, which has resulted in deaths already. Those who are victims of these Red Flag Calls loose their rights and need to fight in a special court to get them back, which may take years and the costs are staggering. The Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 will essentially leave everyone with Pump Shotguns, Muzzle Loaders and Revolvers, Bolt Action Rifles but cannot hold more than 10 rounds, cant have detachable magazines or threaded barrels or pistol grips. It also bans pistols that are over 50 ounces and pistol braces for the injured/physically disabled. Background checks for everything, no truly private sales or homemade firearms ammunition will go under strict regulation. We will in time become like the UK, with no means of making a stand once they start making decisions for us and our views/opinions will no longer matter....This needs to be stopped and this is not "over-dramatization" as it is seen through history by EVERY Government except ours (until now). This ban coupled with the Bumpstock Ban and Red Flag Laws will strip us clean of any chance we have, the other Civil Rights will fall afterwards - it needs to be taken very seriously. The Second Amendment protects the First and with more and more infringements that target the average gun owner and not criminals it only points out that the Government is out for control over its population and not its best interest. Criminals dont spend thousands of dollars on new firearms, they dont buy high end 3d printers or cnc machines to machine/print out AR lowers, they dont spend hours and hundreds of dollars building their own guns, they dont spend $400 on bumpstocks and binary triggers. I find it insane that people push for gun control and say regulations and restrictions are lawful or even helpful. The Revolution was sparked off over gun control....2A was meant to be absolute, the people as armed as the state, and a "hands off" description to Government Officials....but they dont interpret it that way...our officials need to read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers and look into what the Founders thought and practiced. The supreme court should do the people a favor and do some research before signing anything that infringes a right of their citizenry. Government infringing on the only insurance policy the people have against Government is a Conflict of Interest...there shouldnt be any regulations as intended. The only people those regulations effect are the average citizen who has done nothing wrong, criminals dont follow the law and thats why after 130 years of increasing gun control and legislation/regulation/restrictions/taxing there has been no dramatic positive change. There is not a crime that you can commit with a firearm that is not a crime without the firearm, just about every gun law is unnecessary, if they want to punish criminals then penalties are whats called for....which would not effect those that obey the law.
 
specops56 said:
can tell you that events were incremental, that the unbelievable became the believable and, ultimately, the normal.”
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THIS IS HOW THEY WILL DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! 9 years max. Just ask anyone who bought firearms before 1968. It was a short time until the Paperwork and Regs were the new norm. Folks who get firearms today think This is normal. 9 years max. Nevada last week, more in the weeks to come. One at a time....they are coming.
 
There is not many people alive today that remember purchasing firearms before the 4473.

Next democrat president is going to get a semi-auto ban and magazine capacity limit passed into law. There will be no sunset limit, they learned from that mistake. I'm just not sure if the are going to confiscate what they deem as assault weapons.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Next democrat president is going to get a semi-auto ban and magazine capacity limit passed into law. There will be no sunset limit, they learned from that mistake. I'm just not sure if the are going to confiscate what they deem as assault weapons.
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I've been saying all along it will happen, the question is when. I do know most gun owners will lie down and turn them in.
 
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AR10ShooterinNC said:
Next democrat president is going to get a semi-auto ban and magazine capacity limit passed into law. There will be no sunset limit, they learned from that mistake. I'm just not sure if the are going to confiscate what they deem as assault weapons.
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Yeah?

Well....you may not have to wait for a Democrat President to do it.
 
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