States Adopting Constitutional Carry in Droves

[MostWanted]

For years, advocates of the Second Amendment have fought tooth and nail to ensure that no American was left without the right to obtain a carry permit. Now an even more salutary standard has become fashionable: The abolition of the permitting system in its entirety. In 2015, three states added their names to the growing list of those that have adopted “constitutional carry” — states, that is, in which Americans do not need to obtain permits before legally carrying guns. Last year, another three joined their ranks. This year, the number joining could be as high as five.

 

[Culper]

That is just deplorable

 

[Jerzsubbie]

Considering the difficulty we have in getting rid of the controversial PPP process, and especially with lefty Roy cooper as Gov, I doubt we'll see it in NC anytime soon.

 

[eddie0225]

well he may be a democrat but the majority is still republican so any veto right now could probably be overridden

 

[chiefjason]

6 is not a drove, not even sure 11 is. It's a good start though.

 

[Silver_Bullet]

Considering the difficulty we have in getting rid of the controversial PPP process, and especially with lefty Roy cooper as Gov, I doubt we'll see it in NC anytime soon.

We couldn't get Constitutional Carry passed in NC with a Republican Governor and Republican legislature. Actually the NC legislature is veto proof GOP. They could pass it if they wanted, even with a Democrat like Cooper in office, but they are worried about being bullied by the NC Sheriffs Association who holds a lot of influence due to their representation of Law Enforcement status. Basically they want to hold power for the sheriffs, and the politicians are worried about how it would look going against law enforcement leaders opinion.

It's been up for debate, and we the people nor our local gun rights organizations haven't pushed constitutional carry when the bills have been introduced the last few years in NC. This is something that still upsets me, as it felt like it was ignored last time. It seems we in NC are accustomed to the permit, and expanding privilege instead of protecting our right.

 

[Radar]

6 is not a drove, not even sure 11 is. It's a good start though.

Agreed but like you said one is better than none. Hopefully NC can join that, sooner rather than later.

 

[MostWanted]

Problem in NC's Legislature is the leadership. Tim Morgan as Speaker and a bunch of "moderates" as his lieutenants. There's probably enough votes in both houses to pass it, but it won't come to the floor with current leadership.

 

[Scsmith42]

We couldn't get Constitutional Carry passed in NC with a Republican Governor and Republican legislature. Actually the NC legislature is veto proof GOP. They could pass it if they wanted, even with a Democrat like Cooper in office, but they are worried about being bullied by the NC Sheriffs Association who holds a lot of influence due to their representation of Law Enforcement status. Basically they want to hold power for the sheriffs, and the politicians are worried about how it would look going against law enforcement leaders opinion.

It's been up for debate, and we the people nor our local gun rights organizations haven't pushed constitutional carry when the bills have been introduced the last few years in NC. This is something that still upsets me, as it felt like it was ignored last time. It seems we in NC are accustomed to the permit, and expanding privilege instead of protecting our right.

I think that your assessment is spot on. The Dems are against it in principle and the R's won't push back too hard against the Sherrifs Association.

 

[Radar]

Sheriff's in the state are known to be very politically active and connected but, the legislature needs to start worrying about the will of their constituents and not about their re election, they would likely find that if they did the first the later would be much easier to happen.

 

[trcubed]

It'll never happen in North Carolina. Outside of a few CFF members and some others, not many in NC are Liberty-minded enough to even know what to push for.

 

[12151791]

I would like to hear what members here from SC think about the likelihood of constitutional carry is in SC. I seem to remember that either in 2015 or 2016 it came up but it got discombobulated with other stuff and never left committee.

 

[Culper]

We couldn't get Constitutional Carry passed in NC with a Republican Governor and Republican legislature. Actually the NC legislature is veto proof GOP. They could pass it if they wanted, even with a Democrat like Cooper in office, but they are worried about being bullied by the NC Sheriffs Association who holds a lot of influence due to their representation of Law Enforcement status. Basically they want to hold power for the sheriffs, and the politicians are worried about how it would look going against law enforcement leaders opinion.

It's been up for debate, and we the people nor our local gun rights organizations haven't pushed constitutional carry when the bills have been introduced the last few years in NC. This is something that still upsets me, as it felt like it was ignored last time. It seems we in NC are accustomed to the permit, and expanding privilege instead of protecting our right.

I stopped donating to the Sheriff's Association because of this.

 

[Radar]

I stopped donating to the Sheriff's Association because of this.

You are not the only one, and I told the sheriff of the county I was in at the time that I was going to do so. He basically said he didn't get much help from them and so he understood my view points and agreed with my assessment on it. He basically stated criminals will have weapons if we have permits, or constitutional carry, that will not change based on a law, their criminals they don't follow the law, other wise they would not be criminals.

 

[noway2]

We couldn't get Constitutional Carry passed in NC with a Republican Governor and Republican legislature. Actually the NC legislature is veto proof GOP. They could pass it if they wanted, even with a Democrat like Cooper in office, but they are worried about being bullied by the NC Sheriffs Association who holds a lot of influence due to their representation of Law Enforcement status. Basically they want to hold power for the sheriffs, and the politicians are worried about how it would look going against law enforcement leaders opinion.

This says more about the freaking GOPpers than anything else. It still befuddles me how so many, even here, get downright giddy at the prospects of having GOP fap-offs in office. They're still, tax and spend, big government, liberals, just flying a different color. They're no friend of the people or Liberty.

It's been up for debate, and we the people nor our local gun rights organizations haven't pushed constitutional carry when the bills have been introduced the last few years in NC. This is something that still upsets me, as it felt like it was ignored last time. It seems we in NC are accustomed to the permit, and expanding privilege instead of protecting our right.

I will repeat my position from when this came up before. I'm much more impacted by nonsense like GFZs in schools than I am constitutional carry. While I support both, if I had to choose my priority it would be to eliminate GFZs.

 

[Qball]

I stopped donating to the Sheriff's Association because of this.

Me too, and my donations were at the corporate level where things can hurt.

 

[Radar]

This says more about the freaking GOPpers than anything else. It still befuddles me how so many, even here, get downright giddy at the prospects of having GOP fap-offs in office. They're still, tax and spend, big government, liberals, just flying a different color. They're no friend of the people or Liberty.


I will repeat my position from when this came up before. I'm much more impacted by nonsense like GFZs in schools than I am constitutional carry. While I support both, if I had to choose my priority it would be to eliminate GFZs.

No offense intended to the OP but that very statement just shores up the statement that
trcubed makes that not enough people are liberty minded enough to care about constitutional carry so the legislature will never try and push for it regardless of whom is in control of the legislature or in the governors mansion. We as mostly liberty minded 2A supoorters can't even decide if we want GFZ or constitutional carry as our priority. Of course TRUE constitutional carry would eliminate all gun free zones but that is for another topic on another day.

 

[noway2]

Cpippen I don't see a whole lot of anti-Liberty difference between the govt trying to say you need a permission slip to carry and saying you can't carry in XYZ public place. They're both a rights infringement and an affront.

At least with shall issue, the standards are set for everyone and are pretty basic: not a drug addict, not a violent offender, not a drunk driver, etc. I still think it's wrong, but I think GFZs are a bigger infringement.

 

[Radar]

Cpippen I don't see a whole lot of anti-Liberty difference between the govt trying to say you need a permission slip to carry and saying you can't carry in XYZ public place. They're both a rights infringement and an affront.

At least with shall issue, the standards are set for everyone and are pretty basic: not a drug addict, not a violent offender, not a drunk driver, etc. I still think it's wrong, but I think GFZs are a bigger infringement.

I agree I was merely stating the fact that as trcubed pointed out that we all can't even decide on which strategy to tackle the problem with and we are gun owners and constitutional supporters. The politicians don't want to go after either topic because there is no organized significant voice pushing for itwhixg translates to votes at election time.

In my own personal opinion, TRUE constitutional carry would allow us to carry anywhere, airports, courtrrooms, schools, churches etc etc with out asking permission from anyone or any agency or politician regardless of location, but then again I am a realist and know that is far from a possibility.