The Gun Run, Team Match - AFTER ACTION REPORT

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Anybody on board going to the Gun Run team match in Laurens, SC this weekend?


@VOD Tactical and I are running (ha!) Friday and RO'ing Saturday.
 
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It's sunday, and you're alive, so let's hear some details!
Sore…tired…

@VOD Tactical and I ran the corse Friday afternoon with the rest of the ROs and a handful of paid competitors. ~27 2-man teams Friday. Then we RO’d a stage full day Saturday, 50 more teams.

We shot GREAT for us, 17th out of 77 teams on the shoot score. Took 3rd and 6th on a couple stages.

We walked the course, so run time was near bottom. Shoot and run times are both weighted 50/50. Overall rank was 44th.

Run started with carrying a litter with 6’ length of telephone pole a couple hundred yards to a short obstacle course. There was a cargo net over a ~10 foot wall, another ~8ft wall with no net and then a log thing that looks like 2 saw horses about 4’ and 7’ high to get over. While carrying all your gear. Then carry the litter back to the start/finish line.

Stage 1 was maybe 1/4 mile down the road to a convex box structure 3 levels high. Shooter One (Frank) had to run around the structure clearing pistol targets while Shooter 2 (me) climbed the structure (ship’s ladders) to the 3rd deck. There the RSO designated 1 IPSC steel target in a wood line about 250 yards out. I had to get 3 hits from 3 different firing positions. While I was doing that, Frank cleared the pistol targets and then carried a dummy (40#?) up the structure to my position. When he got there I had to hand him my rifle and describe the target WITHOUT pointing. Our communication was good (orange flag in tree line, 3 points left, base of tree). Unfortunately we were one of the last teams out, so the paint was gone and the mottled steel made for good camouflage. Frank was looking right where I was describing but couldn’t see the target. We ended up timing out in the stage.

That stage had about a 50% failure rate, so we weren’t alone.

LESSON: Get your partner in position to fire, then describe the target. Trust your optic to find the target once you have the area ID’d. We spent too much time standing in the window with Frank trying to spot the target with naked eye.

Stage 2 was about a mile down the trail, into the woods along the river bottom. The idea in this stage was covering fire and moving positions.

Shooter 1 (me) was staged about 15 yards left of shooter 2 shooter 1 engaged 4 steel of various sizes between 1-200 yards out. I think it was 3 hits each, from standing. Frank was prone behind a log and couldn’t shoot until I cleared my targets. I was supposed to call out that I was done and ready to move so he could start shooting. I failed to do that, costing us a couple seconds. As Frank shot, I moved to his position. At that point, the RO tapped me and yelled “you just got shot in the left leg”. I had to drop and couldn’t use that leg for the rest of the stage.

Edit: Frank had to apply a CAT tourniquet to my leg at this point.

Frank had to get me on a skid and haul my - bulk - about 15 yards to final position. At some point while getting on the skid, I figured out I wasn’t “dead”, just wounded, so I was able to use my arms and “good” leg to help Frank with the drag.

After the drag, Frank pulled his pistol and cleared a small array (Mozambique?).

180 second par time. We finished in 143, good for 47th place.

LESSON: Communicate! We wasted time while Frank waited for me to tell him to go.

Stage 3 , the climb out of the river bottom up to Stage 3 was a bitch. Steep, maybe 1/2 or 3/4 mile, but steep. Heart rate was definitely up.

Stage 3 was deceptively hard. Rifle only. Easy on paper, but high DNF/failure rate. Shooter 1 engaged Target 1 from standing with 3 hits, followed by shooter 2. Shooter then engaged target 2 from sit/kneel followed by shooter 2. Then target 3 from prone with 3 hits, shooter then shooter 2. 18 total impacts, 90 second par time.

Frank and I placed 6th on this stage.

~75% failure rate overall.

We RO’d this stage, so saw how everyone did it wrong…
LESSON 1: The 3 targets were at unknown distance that EVERYONE guessed wrong. Too much time spent at known distance ranges I suppose. The terrain is hilly, which I think caused issues with visual ranging. Everyone assumed “3 Targets… must be 100, 200, 300”. In fact they were 175, 215 and 343.

LESSON 2: BE READY! RO/Spotter was calling hits, I can’t even count how often the third hit on a target was called out and THEN the next shooter started getting in position or on target. The good scores were all teams that got in position (stand, sit, prone) and were on target before their partners hits were called. Some teams even broke their 1st shot before the RO even got the call shouted out.

LESSON 3: Pick your spot! The shooting area was about 15 yards wide. Shooters approached the stage from the right and mostly stood there sucking air while the stage brief was read. Then they just turned and shot from where they stood - on a slope (sitting/kneeling made awkward!) with a small berm 20’ in front of them that obscured 1/2 the far target. If they’d only moved to the left a couple yards to a nice flat spot at the top of the slope…we could tell the couple teams with significant .mil service (active rangers, Marines) because the first thing they did was move to the good terrain.
 
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Stage 4 was a relatively short walk, uphill again in the woods and along dirt road.

This was a pistol only stage (I had not yet drawn my pistol at this point). Frank had to pick up a punching bag and hold it off the ground while I made 2 pistol impacts strong hand and 2 weak hand at about 20 34 yards. With heart rate up, my RDS was all over the place! When I was done, Frank handed me the bag and did the same, 2 strong/2 weak hand. I’m pretty sure he went 4/4.

Then Frank boogied downhill about 20 yards to station 2 while I carried the punching bag down. Same deal at this station, 2 strong side, 2 weak side….but the target was 50yds down hill. I held the bag while Frank shot, then he held while I shot.

By some miracle we both went 4/4 on the 50yd target. Good enough for 3rd overall on that stage. 180second par time, we did it in 92.

LESSON: none. We made that stage our bitch. =)

Stage 5 was a long walk back down hill just about to river bottom level, then a long slow climb back towards the main compound. This stage confused the heck out of us. At the time, we were convinced the stage brief (read by the RO) was convoluted and needed to be explained a couple times. We thought the RO messed it up. In retrospect, it was likely our being tired and a bit foggy.

Both shooters started with 4 rifle hits on an IPSC paper at about 10 yards, then advanced to the next position, an old car. From there, I shot 4 circle steel spread around maybe 100 yards left to right and maybe 75-100 yards out. Frank was shooting squares (?) at about the same distance. Then we advanced and shot steel with pistols. Honestly, this stage is still fuzzy in my memory.

180 par time, we did it in 67, good for 29th.

LESSON: Recognize when you’re foggy. Catch your breath, drink some water…Take the time to be sure you understand the assignment. Figuring it out on the clock is not ideal.

Stage 6, short but steep walk up to another 2 deck conex structure.

At the beep, run 30yds to the structure. 1 goes high (Frank), the other goes low. Kick open a door and start clearing a bunch of steel through open windows. Fairly straight forward stage.

I think this was 90 second par time, we did it in 69 for 38th place.

LESSON: No real comment on this stage re: lessons learned other than top off your magazines while walking! I went into that stage with a partial mag inserted. I should have made sure I had a fresh mag and should have topped off mags while walking.

Finish line was a short couple hundred yard ms back to the compound. This was the only stretch we ran! =)
 
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Overall lessons.

Reading this back, it sounds like “wow, you need to be in shape to do this!” You really don’t. Everyone manages their own pace. And everyone is incredibly supportive. If it sounds like fun, just come do it. I promise you’ll have a ton of fun!

This is a great way to test your assumptions AND your equipment.

You can’t buy results. Saw plenty of $3000 optics on $2000 rifles not make it past the standing/offhand portion of my stage.
 
Thank you for the very thorough and awesome write up! I very much want to do this!

I'll say my takeaways from your thesis, The Craftsman is more important than the tools. Crappy shooters and $3,000 rifles with $2,000 optics aren't going to get it done. Not news, but validating to hear.

The importance of using terrain. Hard to learn this as a civilian unless you're a hunter, most classes and ranges do not have the variety of terrain.

I would argue that yes, you do need to be in shape. Maybe not marine shape or ranger shape, but you do need to be able to move from here to there. I think not enough classes do a good enough job with moving people to make it a realistic training environment.

Again, I really enjoyed reading this. That was excellent. And great job both of you!
 
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Yes, it just reminds me what bad shape I am in!

Time has not been good to me by my own admission.
 
Pics are nice! And provide an idea of what to expect at the tactical games there in April…. Time to start running stairs with the sandbag, I guess.
 
If you can travel but not compete, maybe go volunteer as a scorekeeper? In addition to getting a feel for how the games are run and meeting all the owners, you get free entry into a later event
 
Pics are nice! And provide an idea of what to expect at the tactical games there in April…. Time to start running stairs with the sandbag, I guess.

I also want to do the tactical games, but need to punt that too. It's amazing how much one has to 'give up' when one gets sick....

Tactical Games are a completely separate deal. My understanding is they are much more demanding physically. I’ve never done one.
 
I’ve done two TTG and they’re super demanding, but tons of fun. I leave every time cut, burned (damn suppressor), bruised, broken, and smiling. One stage at last year’s NC event was a nice shooting under time challenge out to 350, then a short O course, then a 5.5 mile run in full kit through brush and sand roads. Oh and then you have five more (shorter) events… it’s a blast in a painful way
 
Tim, what was the oldest age of any participant and did all the women do Everything the men were required to do and were any of the women successful in doing everything???

Oldest was in 60s.

Yes, the women were required to do everything the men did. Including dragging their partner on the litter! Of the 6-7 women I recall coming through, 4 were absolute bad assets that would hold their own with anybody else there. 2 were older and….ummm….fluffy.

It was an absolute blast.
 
Nice video from Jimmy Nutt, run n gun guru and videographer. You can catch me and @VOD Tactical doing what we do best...hanging by the fire around 3:40

He takes about 8:00 to really get into the actual course.

 
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