These are Perilous Times

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It's a very scary time right now. Not only do we have "protestors" that think we are at a time of war, we have racial tensions and general insanity all around us. I believe the lawless protest movements have brought out the psycho/socio-paths and then there are the attacks that are un-explainable like the man that shot a father and daughter after a fender bender or the man that stabbed an AutoZone employee 7 times because he wanted to kill a white man.
Also, consider the Kenosha Kid incident. Multiple people attack a kid who was carrying and actively using an AR. Does that seem logical? These are crazy times.

What to do? I don't think it's here, geographically yet, but... Carefully consider your daily load out or EDC. If you're driving, remember you vehicle is your primary tool and not your guns. Use it to exit the kill zone. Only abandon it if you have no other choice. And those that load heavy in their vehicles, what happens if you do have to abandon your vehicle? Can you carry all your gear? If you work an office job in office clothes, have a change handy, including hikeable shoes/boots. Have a First-Aid kit and maybe water and high energy snacks. We're basically talking a GHB or Get Home Bag here.

While I prefer long guns a fighting weapons, urban scenarios call for low profile. After all, you're surrounded. I'd rather be able to tuck a gun under my shirt or stow a gun in bag and get lost in the crowd rather than parade around with an AR waiting for someone to snipe me from behind a tree or an open window at who knows what range. Train, train, train.

Be hyper-vigilant.

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Just some thoughts I was having.
 
Carry EVERYWHERE you go...

And be able to put your hands on a rifle relatively quick; not a “15-20 minute drive back home to retrieve it out of the safe“ quick, but a “<5 minute, get my ass to my vehicle and grab my rifle” quick.


Within 4 years, there will be more folks on this forum that have been active participants in a gunfight than there are now.

I hope that prediction turns out to be wrong. I hope it is not the case at all. But...

I really don’t see any way around it.
 
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I’d also like to add.
I have been a hunter since a very young age. Very young.
All my gun choices have been affected by that venue. Most all my guns are heavy. When I was young, they felt like toothpicks. The other day I grabbed a “house shotgun” and thought, man this thing is heavy.
Heavy guns are good for stationery situations where precision is paramount.
But for moving and agility (even old man limited stuff) light is where its at.

Reassess your equipment.
 
If studying history points helps, there was a way out of WWI. But no one was willing to take it and the entire world got swept into a war that no one admitted to wanting. Same with the fire bombing and nuclear bomb use in WWII. Momentum and a true desire to avoid a conflict are two variable that are hard to pin down. But they are both very real factors.
 
Tailhunter said:
I’d also like to add.
I have been a hunter since a very young age. Very young.
All my gun choices have been affected by that venue. Most all my guns are heavy. When I was young, they felt like toothpicks. The other day I grabbed a “house shotgun” and thought, man this thing is heavy.
Heavy guns are good for stationery situations where precision is paramount.
But for moving and agility (even old man limited stuff) light is where its at.

Reassess your equipment.
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Maybe you need to reassess the size of your collection. LOL
 
In the OP it’s said “your vehicle is your primary tool” which is so true traveling to a from points you feel you need to go. When thinking of your vehicle remember “defensive driving” techniques are very important there.

A major thing is make sure you have a way to keep moving ... try not to put your vehicle in a position where you do not have an “alternative” way out. A big rule anytime is allow enough distance between you and a vehicle in front of you at a stop signs/lights to go around if needed ... don’t get wedged in.

Don’t wait for something to happen or someone to get close enough to your vehicle ... if your gut says “WTH” start thinking! Go into your OODA loop! If a vehicle(s) or person(s) are making you think ... do not over react be start thinking.

Keep you eyes and ears open along with your head on a swivel ... keep distractions at a minimum. Don’t have the radio blaring. Keep your mirrors aligned and be doubly aware when stopped for a light/traffic/etc ... scan them carefully.

Remember you do have a 3,000 plus pound weapon but it needs room to work. Sitting still it offers concealment but very little cover for you behind the wheel ... even handgun rounds go thru thin metal and glass.

Always be aware when entering or exiting your vehicle ... that is a time when you are more vulnerable. Unlock only needed doors ... if it’s only you set you key fob to only unlock the driver’s side on the first push. Park only where you can scan a reasonable area for dangers ... it won’t hurt you to walk an extra little distance. When approaching your vehicle scan the area for possible dangers ... like say a pool noodle under a wheel (they now put nails in them to pop a tire).

Crap has gotten to the point where it’s now not just robbery that you need to worry about and that sucks but CYA!
 
All here need to read Cooper's Principles of Personal Defense.
A book you can read in 45 minutes that will change your life.
The first things people learn that come here are How to shoot from a vehicle and How to shoot from a table. Those 2 things alone will serve you well. You won't be a Delta Force Recon Scout Ranger Seal when you leave But you won't be learning on the job when it happens either. Get out from behind this key board and Train like it means something....because it Does.
 
georgel said:
And those that load heavy in their vehicles, what happens if you do have to abandon your vehicle? Can you carry all your gear?
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Oh dear......I need to think about this. I would have to leave a lot behind, and then some ahole could get hold of it.:mad:
 
charliesgrave said:
Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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Freeze dried items would work well and are light weight. In the heat, I'd think regular canned (metal, commercial) goods would work as they undoubtedly got hotter in the canning process than they would in the car, but they're heavy. If push came to shove, a spoon and a can of spaghetti O's would go a long way.
 
charliesgrave said:
So, during the winter, I keep MRE's in the car. Mostly because I have long drives to my various work sites, with one being up towards the mountains. I have even been stranded at work during the winter before...

During the summer, what are y'all carrying? I worry about the heat, so I remove whatever food stuffs I have every time I exit the vehicle, but that gets tedious. Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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I carry freeze dried rations all year along with bottled water. In a pinch your eat them without water or heating. I lucked up on a couple cases of LRRP rations a while ago. Wish I could get more.
 
charliesgrave said:
So, during the winter, I keep MRE's in the car. Mostly because I have long drives to my various work sites, with one being up towards the mountains. I have even been stranded at work during the winter before...

During the summer, what are y'all carrying? I worry about the heat, so I remove whatever food stuffs I have every time I exit the vehicle, but that gets tedious. Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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I’m no expert, but I always have a spare water bottle and one of those tall plastic nut containers in my backpack. If you don’t open it up they last quite a while. I just eat and rotate every so often. I’ve also carried the little tubes of energy gels I used to use when cycling. If they are good for energy on 100 mile bike rides then they should be good if you have to do a long hike or jog. A bag of beef jerky would last a while too.
 
Millie said:
See you for some more training soon!
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I'd be willing to bet you have more experience shooting from a car than the Majority of folks on here. You did better every time here.
What You need to work on is A Plan.....for everything you can think of that can go wrong. Work it out in your head, practice it at home and then verify or modify on the range.
I know you are Not doing it but just think how far ahead you would be Right Now if you had dedicated yourself to just TWO minutes a day.
 
CZfool68 said:
I’m no expert, but I always have a spare water bottle and one of those tall plastic nut containers in my backpack. If you don’t open it up they last quite a while. I just eat and rotate every so often. I’ve also carried the little tubes of energy gels I used to use when cycling. If they are good for energy on 100 mile bike rides then they should be good if you have to do a long hike or jog. A bag of beef jerky would last a while too.
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By some odd chance do you know the name or have a link to the energy gels? Thanks
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I'd be willing to bet you have more experience shooting from a car than the Majority of folks on here. You did better every time here.
What You need to work on is A Plan.....for everything you can think of that can go wrong. Work it out in your head, practice it at home and then verify or modify on the range.
I know you are Not doing it but just think how far ahead you would be Right Now if you had dedicated yourself to just TWO minutes a day.
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Two minutes a day of thinking about a plan? I don't think of plans every single day, but I do, a few times a week while doing my daily dry firing, though. Is that not good? I talk with non-gun friends about plans a lot. (To try to get them to see that things are going tits up, and maybe they need a gun and training.:rolleyes:)
I do roam around the house drawing and pointing and all that, too.
I'm not sure I can think of everything that can go wrong. Only what I have already had go wrong.
I have thought about what to do if someone breaks into the house.....since the house has been broken into a couple of times.

I like the shooting from the car drills and the table ones and the shoot fast ones....can we do some next time?
 
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Water, mt house Meals, poncho, butt pack, w/lighter, space blanket, multi tool, ammo, Broke in shoes/boots, socks.
 
charliesgrave said:
So, during the winter, I keep MRE's in the car. Mostly because I have long drives to my various work sites, with one being up towards the mountains. I have even been stranded at work during the winter before...

During the summer, what are y'all carrying? I worry about the heat, so I remove whatever food stuffs I have every time I exit the vehicle, but that gets tedious. Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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I used to carry those blocks of calorie-dense survival stuff that tastes like sugar cookies. Also granola bars, Nature Valley. Not a lot of oil in them to get nasty.
 
charliedeltajuliet said:
By some odd chance do you know the name or have a link to the energy gels? Thanks
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I bought the Science in Sports Energy Gel and the Gatorade Endurance Energy Chews when I was running Spartan Races (especially the Supers and Beasts). Gatorade was easier but I liked the SiS better
 
charliesgrave said:
During the summer, what are y'all carrying? I worry about the heat, so I remove whatever food stuffs I have every time I exit the vehicle, but that gets tedious. Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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Life boat rations. You won't think "hey, I'm hungry, let me just break out those tasty rations" but if you get hungry enough, they'll work:

https://www.amazon.com/SOS-Food-Labs-Inc-185000825/dp/B075TXP1P5/

I have tried them, opened a pack that had been in the car for a few years. Thread on it somewhere on here.
 
As a well-fed old dude, Water or a plan to get more. More important for survival than the " I get the munchies after a day or two" or "I need a fifth backup firearm and a stash of ammo for it" scenarios. So a quantity of ready to drink and filters or treatments to back-fill the initial supply is a solid plan. It's heavy stuff and a pain in the ass, but we're all dust without H2O. Credible sources estimate that 4 days to a week or a bit after without water is end of game.

Sadly the experts do not recommend substituting Bourbon for water- a regrettable pity.
 
Alfred said:
As a well-fed old dude, Water or a plan to get more. More important for survival than the " I get the munchies after a day or two" or "I need a fifth backup firearm and a stash of ammo for it" scenarios. So a quantity of ready to drink and filters or treatments to back-fill the initial supply is a solid plan. It's heavy stuff and a pain in the ass, but we're all dust without H2O. Credible sources estimate that 4 days to a week or a bit after without water is end of game.

Sadly the experts do not recommend substituting Bourbon for water- a regrettable pity.
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I keep water in the car, and multiple ways to clean more.
 
charliesgrave said:
So, during the winter, I keep MRE's in the car. Mostly because I have long drives to my various work sites, with one being up towards the mountains. I have even been stranded at work during the winter before...

During the summer, what are y'all carrying? I worry about the heat, so I remove whatever food stuffs I have every time I exit the vehicle, but that gets tedious. Anything I could stash the heat wouldn't ruin?
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I work out of a truck, and I keep things like nuts, dibs, Vienna Sausages, loose granola and the like in my bag that I take in nightly. You wouldn't want to leave them in the truck indefinitely, but I've yet to have any issues having cycled through those items monthly.
 
Weird thing happened the other day. My wife said we should start thinking about a box full of important stuff we can grab if we have to evacuate. She did clarify that she was NOT talking about full on end of the world crate of gear... but it's a start.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
Weird thing happened the other day. My wife said we should start thinking about a box full of important stuff we can grab if we have to evacuate. She did clarify that she was NOT talking about full on end of the world crate of gear... but it's a start.
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Small victories, man. Take 'em when you can.
 
The cracka' hatin' AutoZone stabber, Jayvon Hatchett, strikes again.

https://www.wltz.com/2020/09/07/mom-demands-answers-after-son-beaten-to-death-in-jail/
Eddie Nelson was allegedly beaten to death by his cellmate Jayvon Hatchett. Nelson was picked up for a probation violation on September 1st and then housed with the hate crime suspect.

“I have a question for the Sheriff. Why? Why did you put my son and that other man in there together? Why? Can you answer me that? I lost a son because of ya’lls negligence,” Nelson’s grieving mother told First News exclusively.

Nelson’s family is demanding answers about why her son was placed inside the same jail cell as Jayvon Hatchett, the suspect accused of stabbing a white Auto Zone worker after watching police shootings on Facebook. According to court testimony, Hatchett wanted to kill white people after watching those videos of police brutality and was ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation. “If this mentally imbalanced individual had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan, they would not have put him in a cell with a black person. If he was a rapist, they wouldn’t have put him in a cell with a woman. If he had bombed a synagogue they wouldn’t have put him in a cell with a Jewish person. If he had been that white kid up in Wisconsin that shot those demonstrators they would not have put him in a cell with demonstrators. I mean this is either sheer stupidity or meanness that’s the only way I can explain it,” Attorney Craig Jones said after reviewing details about the incident.

The gory scene inside the cell was described as a bloody mess where Nelson was beaten in the head, face, neck and forearms allegedly by Hatchett. The nurse on duty refused to go inside the cell and the guard performed CPR according to a source with first hand knowledge of the incident. The guard was alerted to the beating by another inmate inside the mental health ward. “How long does it take to beat somebody up to beat somebody to death with your bare hands and not have anybody notice,” Jones asked. Nelson’s mother pleading for justice told First News “something’s got to stop. This has to stop.”

Eddie Nelson’s probation violation was for failure to register as a sex offender. His family told us the classification was from a 20 year old case involving a “Romeo- Juliet” type relationship. “He was a good boy, a good young man. He would give you the shirt off his back. All kids love him. He loved kids. He was a fine young man, a fine young man, a good son and he shouldn’t have died this way,” his mom told us.

The family retained attorney Craig Jones who has already successfully represented the family of Lori Carroll. She was also displaying symptoms of mental illness and beat herself to death inside the Muscogee County Jail. Jones most recently won a settlement on behalf of Nicholas Dyksma, a Columbus teen who died in the custody of Harris County Sheriff’s Deputies.
 
I remember reading something from Clint Smith a number of years ago that said, when in you’re behind the wheel and you face a threat, you have 2 choices, drive or draw, don’t do both because you will not be able to do either one very well if you choose to do both.
 
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