Does anyone have a link to the video that isn't CENSORED. I simply cannot muster any compassion when azzholes censor sht.
Look up a post, new bonus vid included.Video has been taken down
Does anyone have a link to the video that isn't CENSORED. I simply cannot muster any compassion when azzholes censor sht.
Look up a post, new bonus vid included.Video has been taken down
I normally don't like to feed trolls, but thanks for the chuckle I needed that this morning.Do you think they could've just shot out a knee cap, or something?
Look up a couple posts.I missed the video--what was it??? It's unavailable now.
I normally don't like to feed trolls, but thanks for the chuckle I needed that this morning.
So you want to shoot me??? I've shot a many a guns in my days, I've seen it done, so I know it is possible. Don't retreat! Then you don't have to shoot from a retreating position. The man had a knife, they have firearms and extensive weapons training, your trying to make me believe that 2 highly trained men...with guns, can't hit a leg?
Aside from the practicality issues which make doing this difficult, another big problem is the backstop or lack there of. There is an old saying that goes around a lot of firearm forums: you are responsible for every bullet that comes out of your gun and this philosophy should apply to cops equally.The man had a knife, they have firearms and extensive weapons training, your trying to make me believe that 2 highly trained men...with guns, can't hit a leg?
Take him up on it - You'll be amazed by what you learn. Your brain cannot assimilate this info by talking about it. you have to experience it first hand.Sorry i was not clear. I have the training tools IE Airsoft pistols to test your idea out.
Look up a post, new bonus vid included.
So you want to shoot me??? I've shot a many a guns in my days, I've seen it done, so I know it is possible. Don't retreat! Then you don't have to shoot from a retreating position. The man had a knife, they have firearms and extensive weapons training, your trying to make me believe that 2 highly trained men...with guns, can't hit a leg?
You guys are brutal. I can take it though.Please, Please don't feed him because we will AGAIN have another thread on why he can't own a gun.
I'd like to...try. I'm not trolling, it was just a thought, I'm not saying you guys are wrong.Take him up on it - You'll be amazed by what you learn. Your brain cannot assimilate this info by talking about it. you have to experience it first hand.
I'd like to...try. I'm not trolling, it was just a thought, I'm not saying you guys are wrong.
His face is blurred, other than the pulled YT vid, the other vids cut the shooting section out.Nope that one is censored too. I think the cops released it censored.
Post vid to educate the rest of usHit me up by pm.
No cost total time..... 3 mins or less
I give them outstanding commendation until the part where the guy gets back up and was able ot so easily overtake a cop. That was almost laughable--not sure what the hell happened there for him to break down so easily. almost looked like the cop surrendered to the perp.Monday morning quarterbacking I don’t like but AAR’s are a part of any action, or they should be, and a huge benefit to training.
As such, if I were sitting in the AAR my questions would have been:
In the beginning of the encounter, say 10 seconds after the initial engagement, when you had a decent triangulation of fire established with at least 3 officers, you established good fields of fire and the perpetrator was advancing slowly, wouldn’t that have been a good time to consider less than deadly force by one officer with the other two prepared to fire if it failed?
It seems to me that while you continually communicated commands to the perp and used your radios you seemed to tunnel vision without communicating effectively with each other on the ground. How do we avoid that in the future.
Once you made the decision to go to deadly force why oh why did you then think it was a good idea to switch to less than deadly force. And why did your partner put away his sidearm? The threat wasn’t over yet.
Why do you want to shoot me? What did I ever do to you? Please explain.Yes
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Why do you want to shoot me? What did I ever do to you? Please explain.
I give them outstanding commendation until the part where the guy gets back up and was able ot so easily overtake a cop. That was almost laughable--not sure what the hell happened there for him to break down so easily. almost looked like the cop surrendered to the perp.
But before that, those cops did more than I could ask of them in trying to not take a life that didn't absolutely need to be--until he charged.
Just a misunderstanding is all, not trying to twist nothing.I was talking about it being to hard to hit a leg. Twist it however you want
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I thought all police were equipped with the bean bag shot guns, that would bring him to his knees. Maybe the knee shot was a bad idea in this situation, but I have seen videos of a officer shooting someone in the knee. The perp had a knife, but dropped it immediately after feeling the bullet hit the knee. I might not be a cop, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night. Lol. The officers in the video were clearly justified in their actions, I kind of agree with others in this thread...their patience far exceeded what mine would have been in this situation.Going back to your earlier funny comment: This one was weird enough that kneecapping the guy might have been possible - technically - he stood still long enough. But it's still a terrible idea. Assume you made the shot, now you have a man with a knife on the ground bleeding. Are you gonna give him aid and let him stab you? You haven't solved the problem with a half-measure. If your intent is to go less-than-lethal your pistol is not the tool for that.
ITL? asked a reasonable question, and I support the question being asked. As shooters, we should welcome the opportunity to educate others. As a long-time shooter and armed professional, I've answered this question a lot of times if asked in an innocent manner truly seeking a reasoned answer. A lot of the previous answers are correct. To give my answer: A precision shot to a leg to stop a stationary person takes absolute aim and all factors have to add up to even try it. And, it needs to be done with a scoped rifle to ensure perfect placement. All this stuff you see about marksmen making precision shots on moving targets is Hollywood stuff. People never move in a straight line at a constant speed; wind/heat/moisture/clothing/state of mind/intoxication/caliber/bullet choice, etc... all play into the equation. And, it honestly is a literal equation, done beforehand with ample time to plan the shot. Professional full-time shooters could not have guaranteed that shot made with a G17 after several minutes of exertion and adrenaline, with a pistol caliber bullet, on a subject with a lot of variables, and had a 100 percent certainty of stopping the bad guy. LEO have to have that 100 percent promise ever time they fire, because we have to endure the "afteraction" scrutiny of educated and uneducated "experts" and they legal system. I appreciate your question and have seen it asked many, many, many times. I, for one, grew up watching Roy Rogers and the Lone Ranger; they shot a LOT of guns out of hands !!! I've done a lot of CQB, SRT, HRT, DAP, etc...( the pros here will recognize those terms) as well as several years of competition. I am an above average shooter, plainly said. I would not have tried a leg shot in that situation. The officer went straight to a COM ( center of mass) target and did well. Not to mention the fact that the officers were purely in a "reactive" mode, which is common for patrol calls. The offender controlled the situation.
Both officers had already left their vehicle, which is where the less than lethal (LTL) shotgun would have been. A supporting officer could have used one, but I'm still not sure that would have changed this one bit. Not all agencies or units have them.
The breakdown of the "contact/cover officer " technique is what led to the second officer ending up in a chokehold, but that's armchair quarterbacking and is a "future training from lessons learned " situation. As is, don't be in a hurry to rush in after a shoot. Keep your distance until you're sure they're finished fighting.
Additionally, the "tactical J" retreat from a Knife while firing was doctrinally sound and tactically smart, but it was a "tactical I" without the hook at the end, which left him on the railroad tracks. The curve to open up lateral distance is essential to surviving and has been proven repeatedly. Anything under 21 feet ( or longer in my personal experience) without a distance extension, the blade wins every time. It's not even close. But, again, that's a training thing, not an armchair quarterback comment. I'm glad they have the opportunity to discuss this rationally and constructively, versus attending another blue funeral.
They did well, nobody hurt that didn't need hurting. This could have gone a lot worse, a lot of ways. I think the officers did extremely well.
Thanks for the question/'comment, Is This Legal !!
This was my first thought, too (from my vantage point of zero experience andOnce you made the decision to go to deadly force why oh why did you then think it was a good idea to switch to less than deadly force. And why did your partner put away his sidearm? The threat wasn’t over yet.
...and playing legal devil's advocate...Going back to your earlier funny comment: This one was weird enough that kneecapping the guy might have been possible - technically - he stood still long enough. But it's still a terrible idea. Assume you made the shot, now you have a man with a knife on the ground bleeding. Are you gonna give him aid and let him stab you? You haven't solved the problem with a half-measure. If your intent is to go less-than-lethal your pistol is not the tool for that.
Dollars to donuts it wasn't intended to hit them in the knee.I have seen videos of a officer shooting someone in the knee.
I thought the same thing. How quickly could the perp have changed the shooting lines by running around like a wild man??? Then the cops would have been muzzle-sweeping the FD and whomever else was out on that main street.They backed up about 100yds too far and let it escalate, IMO. Once it got to the public street and out of the corridor of trees they endangered the public.