Thoughts on why .mil would permanently DQ for having COVID-19?

How does anyone know what the long term effects will be? It's only been around since December or so.

Some reports have claimed is causes lung scarring which can lead to reduced lung function and fatigue as well as asthma.
 
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...s-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

Wonder if it's a long term effect on the body being able to preform.

If so, wonder if sport teams will be next.

Edit: update- https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ized-covid-19-survivors-to-join-the-military/

I think based on the SARS outbreak from 2003 and this version having similar lung effects in those who develop complications requiring hospitalization they sort of have an idea that you stand a good chance of never being 100% again in terms of lung function.
 
GGO= Ground Glass Opacities. Essentially permanently damaged lung tissue that will never return to normal. Especially bad for any hyper-baric specialties, pilots, divers, etc. or those subject to extreme exertion or things like War where the ability to run like hell when needed is a big deal.

I imagine its dependent on the amount and degree of damage, but still its a significant DQ

Interestingly enough, I saw an article that mentioned that even the asymptomatic people that were COVID19 positive had GGO.
 
Follow the money. They are protecting against a known unknown. The cost of care for these folks long term.
 
I was in Family Dollar last weekend and they have a hell of a sale on tin foil...... in case you don't feel you have enough already.....
 
Asthma is a DQ, as it a dozen or so other pulmonary conditions. Even seasonal bronchitis needs a waiver.

With this there is not enough post-infection evidence to know if there is long-term sequelae, and right now the thinking is that people who have had it and recovered are at higher risk for clotting disorders.

I don't think it being an automatic DQ is a big deal.
 
I think it's sound policy. We do not know what the long term affects of it are going to be. Why take the risk? Study outcomes for a couple years, then revisit it. I have no problem with it.
 
In my opinion, I think its kinda silly. Smoking damages lungs, reduces lung capacity, leads to long term health issues, and is a leading cause of death in the world. The military may discourage smoking, it certainly hasnt banned it. So if claiming health issues that havent been fully vetted as a true long term limiting factor as a reason to bar someone from service, I would think smoking would be more of a no-no than a virus we have had contact with for a few months.
 
Hell, that probably describes half of the classified networks running in this country (not to mention the power grid).
Funny you should say that. I doubt they are there, but I don't doubt that they are in the Doe's stuff. Not for power grid, but cause they run all our research supercomputers.
 
In my opinion, I think its kinda silly. Smoking damages lungs, reduces lung capacity, leads to long term health issues, and is a leading cause of death in the world. The military may discourage smoking, it certainly hasnt banned it. So if claiming health issues that havent been fully vetted as a true long term limiting factor as a reason to bar someone from service, I would think smoking would be more of a no-no than a virus we have had contact with for a few months.

It may be, in the long run. But we also know that although smoking does damage everyone's lungs who smoke, not all smokers get cancer or COPD. You could also extend that logic to drinking, right?

Other DQ: asthma, asthmatic bronchitis, color blindness*, having dentures or tooth implants, being on statin drugs*, undescended testicle, > 22% body fat... so as you see, some of these are just BS.

With respect to covid specifically, there are actually a couple different categories which could make it a DQ:


Lungs, Chest Wall, Pleura, and Mediastinum
The following conditions will disqualify you for military service:

a. Abnormal elevation of the diaphragm, either side.

b. Abscess of the lung.

c. Acute infectious processes of the lung, until cured.

d. Asthma, including reactive airway disease, exercise induced bronchospasm or asthmatic bronchitis, reliably diagnosed at any age. Reliable diagnostic criteria should consist of any of the following elements:

(1) Substantiated history of cough, wheeze, and/or dyspnea that persists or recurs over a prolonged period of time, generally more than 6 months.

(2) If the diagnosis of asthma is in doubt, a test for reversible airflow obstruction (greater than a 15 percent increase in forced expiratory volume in 1 second (FEVI) following administration of an inhaled bronchodilator) or airway hyperactivity (exaggerated decrease in airflow induced by standard bronchoprovocation challenge such as methacholine inhalation or a demonstration of exercise-induced bronchospasm) must be performed.

e. Bronchitis, chronic, symptoms over 3 months occurring at least twice a year.

f. Bronchiectasis.

g. Bronchopleural fistula.

h. Bullous or generalized pulmonary emphysema.

i. Chronic mycotic diseases of the lung including coccidioidomycosis.

j. Chest wall malformation or fracture that interferes with vigorous physical exertion.

k. Empyema, including residual pleural effusion or unhealed sinuses of chest wall.

l. Extensive pulmonary fibrosis.

m. Foreign body in lung, trachea, or bronchus.

n. Lobectomy, with residual pulmonary disease or removal of more than one lobe.

o. Pleurisy with effusion, within the previous 2 years if known or unknown origin.

p. Pneumothorax during the year preceding examination if due to a simple trauma or surgery; during the 3 years preceding examination from spontaneous origin. Recurrent spontaneous pneumothorax after surgical correction or pleural sclerosis.

q. Sarcoidosis.

r. Silicone breast implants, encapsulated if less than 9 months since surgery or with symptomatic complications.

s. Tuberculous lesions.


*waiverable
 
Personally, I feel it may be a systems issue on archaic database structure. I have no knowledge personally so this is WILD ASS GUESS in typical government bureacracy.

There isn't scalability with the current database, and they don't have anyway of updating the system quickly for Current Infected -COVID-19 - DELAY REPORT DATE.

So a policy wonk, decided to instruct "99999" 4F - that shows as permanent DQ - Other Reason. The 99999 is just my number for "other" that I use in my modeling for outliers. Some of you will get what I am talking about.

Someone told a reporter, who took the "Facts" of what is happening and didn't elaborate on the issue of databasing.. so they get more clicks and visibility on their reporting.
 
Also take into account, we're not really recruiting hard right now. If we need 500,000 people fast, a lot of DQ conditions go away at best, are waiverable at least. Same as ASVAB scores.
 
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