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Great, awesome. Now we need ALL corporations to stop funding all these elected elites campaign funds.

Should become a hanging offense for corporate dollars to be given to any politician for any reason. Private individual only, and a $50 limit to boot
 
Not that I was going to buy a Toyota anytime soon, but I sent them a short email:

Re: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-statement-on-pac-contributions/

In your attempt to not alienate some very minority (yet admittedly quite vocal) portion of the US that had an issue with your donations, youā€™ve now lost a much larger portion of the US that has the money to buy your products.

The link is their press release, which was mentioned in the article.
 
I really thought about sending the Ahhhctuuuaallly meme in response to the press release saying ā€œour democracyā€ā€¦but resisted.
 
ā€œIf they donā€™t reconsider where they send their money, Americans will reconsider where we send ours,ā€ says a narrator during the ad.

Yeah, that works both ways buddy.

I'll say it again, they should take all outside one from politics. Let them spend the three dollars that we can give them on our tax return and then see who they're beholden to.
 
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Mike Overlay said:
Great, awesome. Now we need ALL corporations to stop funding all these elected elites campaign funds.

Should become a hanging offense for corporate dollars to be given to any politician for any reason. Private individual only, and a $50 limit to boot
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Exactly! To run for office you now need to be a millionaire and/or get millionaire/billionaire backing. Clearly thatā€™s going to cause you to be indebted to those backers and how do you repay them? By pushing their agendas, not doing whatā€™s best for your constituents.
Get rid of PACs, put a stop to the endless political fundraising, remove corporations from politics, put modest limits on personal donations (~$2,500/yr total), and ensure all funds received by politicians can be traced back to an individual.

Itā€™s tough to have a government ā€œof the peopleā€ when most people donā€™t have access to millions of dollars to run a campaign.
 
As for Toyota, Iā€™m a Toyota fan and donā€™t plan on buying anything different for the foreseeable future.

Iā€™m sure Toyota was basically told by the Dems that if they want support on their latest expansion/project that they need to cut off the Rā€™s still backing Trump because orange man bad.
At that point, itā€™s a business decision. Which I imagine is the same reason they created the PAC to begin with. Why else does an auto mfg need a PAC?? Thinly veiled corruption.
 
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A brand I would have not bought NEW to begin with.
And yeah I know, I know. But I just can't seem to buy a new vehicle where all the profits go overseas. Sure I buy stuff not made in America, who doesn't. But thats a sizable chunk to send at 1 time. And I know they are made here. And give workers a job. But just my stance
 
Spartan01 said:
Anybody want to buy a 2014 Camry with 80k miles?
I think Iā€™m gonna buy a Honda
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LeeMajors said:
A brand I would have not bought NEW to begin with.
And yeah I know, I know. But I just can't seem to buy a new vehicle where all the profits go overseas. Sure I buy stuff not made in America, who doesn't. But thats a sizable chunk to send at 1 time. And I know they are made here. And give workers a job. But just my stance
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Murky waters, really. When you start digging into vehicle specifics, even the American companies have vehicles sold here that arent built here.
Then you have Asian manufacturers that ARE building cars here for American population (and global) etc.
So they ARE giving Americans manufacturing jobs etc.

Just a muddy, slippery slope. Not like it used to be.
(owner of an American car, a Japanese car, three American motorcycles and one Japanese motorcycle...currently. Just stating so that I show that Im not biased towards one or the other)
 
LeeMajors said:
A brand I would have not bought NEW to begin with.
And yeah I know, I know. But I just can't seem to buy a new vehicle where all the profits go overseas. Sure I buy stuff not made in America, who doesn't. But thats a sizable chunk to send at 1 time. And I know they are made here. And give workers a job. But just my stance
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but on the auto industry it's increasingly difficult to pick and choose. The global sourcing of parts that make up the cars is part of the problem. I think an adjacent issue is supporting companies like GM that repeatedly go broke and depend on the taxpayers to bail them out. That's offensive too.
 
I continue to be amazed by those running for office with a posted salary, they spend two to three times that amount during the campaign to get elected. If they are elected they become millionaires , go figure! Politics just might be corrupt as we have way too many career politicians!
 
Bulldog said:
I continue to be amazed by those running for office with a posted salary, they spend two to three times that amount during the campaign to get elected. If they are elected they become millionaires , go figure! Politics just might be corrupt as we have way too many career politicians!
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Dude, I agree!
While I think it's great that they now paying a livable wage so that us regular folks can run/have motivation to run (vs just the rich having a reason to run, they already had a fat bank account), it's out of control. Too much dirty money creating career politicians. It sucks.
And they get dirtier by the day/week/month/year/DECADE.
 
HMP said:
Dude, I agree!
While I think it's great that they now paying a livable wage so that us regular folks can run/have motivation to run (vs just the rich having a reason to run, they already had a fat bank account), it's out of control. Too much dirty money creating career politicians. It sucks.
And they get dirtier by the day/week/month/year/DECADE.
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Pay a living wage!!!. Ha, never was intended to be a full time job. It was ment to be a short time gathering during ā€œsessionā€ then back to ā€œyour home areaā€ to get back at work and involved with the governed.
 
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Spartan01 said:
Anybody want to buy a 2014 Camry with 80k miles?
I think Iā€™m gonna buy a Honda
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Itā€™s a shame to see what this latest news has done to Toyota resale values. To help you out though, Iā€™ll give you $500 šŸ˜‰

Edit: or... ā€œto save you from being insulted by Hondaā€™s trade in offer...ā€ šŸ¤£
 
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HMP said:
Murky waters, really. When you start digging into vehicle specifics, even the American companies have vehicles sold here that arent built here.
Then you have Asian manufacturers that ARE building cars here for American population (and global) etc.
So they ARE giving Americans manufacturing jobs etc.

Just a muddy, slippery slope. Not like it used to be.
(owner of an American car, a Japanese car, three American motorcycles and one Japanese motorcycle...currently. Just stating so that I show that Im not biased towards one or the other)
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Not murky at all. The total profit goes overseas.
And I said I understand that there are American jobs created by those companies, doesn't matter to me. I looked at ford trucks, I ended up buying 1 trim level lower because it was built in KY rather than Canada based on MY principal
Timfoilhat said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but on the auto industry it's increasingly difficult to pick and choose. The global sourcing of parts that make up the cars is part of the problem. I think an adjacent issue is supporting companies like GM that repeatedly go broke and depend on the taxpayers to bail them out. That's offensive too.
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I agree. Like I said above the last I bought new was bought on principal. I'll never buy new again. At least any profit from a used vehicle stays fairly local
 
HMP said:
Murky waters, really. When you start digging into vehicle specifics, even the American companies have vehicles sold here that arent built here.
Then you have Asian manufacturers that ARE building cars here for American population (and global) etc.
So they ARE giving Americans manufacturing jobs etc.

Just a muddy, slippery slope. Not like it used to be.
(owner of an American car, a Japanese car, three American motorcycles and one Japanese motorcycle...currently. Just stating so that I show that Im not biased towards one or the other)
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Indeed.

While I'm all about supporting American businesses, the reality is that "American businesses" are very much supported by foreign trade for the vast majority of businesses in some way.

It can be designed and manufactured totally in the good ole U.S. of A., but where do the raw materials come from? Where were the computers designed and built that were used to design/operate the machinery in the production processes? Where does all the communications infrastructure go through worldwide for it? Where do the workers come from (especially when you consider the vast majority of us are, in fact, either immigrants or come from immigrants somewhere along the line)?

Regardless, know what the vast majority of people want when they buy a vehicle? Something that's not going to cost them a fortune in time and money to maintain/repair. Right alongside that is "something they were raised to like for some reason".

Let's see...what do we currently own? Ford Expedition, Buick LeSabre, Ford Edge, Lexus RX300, Ford Focus. If my son can talk Grandpapa out of it, a Chevrolet Z72.

If people want to buy a Toyota, I say more power to them. If people want to buy American, I say more power to them. I just don't think any company, foreign or domestic, needs to be publicly supporting any given political faction or ideology.
 
The Toyo dealer here only has, maybe, 9 new vehicles on the lot. Appears to be not a great deal more than that for used vehicles on the lot.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
Exactly! To run for office you now need to be a millionaire and/or get millionaire/billionaire backing. Clearly thatā€™s going to cause you to be indebted to those backers and how do you repay them? By pushing their agendas, not doing whatā€™s best for your constituents.
Get rid of PACs, put a stop to the endless political fundraising, remove corporations from politics, put modest limits on personal donations (~$2,500/yr total), and ensure all funds received by politicians can be traced back to an individual.

Itā€™s tough to have a government ā€œof the peopleā€ when most people donā€™t have access to millions of dollars to run a campaign.
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And it will be overseen just as rigorously as voting is.
 
You do know where most of the Toyotas in the US are made? It isn't Japan. The spend a lot of money lobbying in the US.
 
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I reckon I got my New 4RUNNER just before the sky fell. Gotta love Chicken LittlešŸ„šŸ£
It be the Japanese made one. The one their reliability record was built on. I hopešŸ’
 
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HMP said:
Murky waters, really. When you start digging into vehicle specifics, even the American companies have vehicles sold here that arent built here.
Then you have Asian manufacturers that ARE building cars here for American population (and global) etc.
So they ARE giving Americans manufacturing jobs etc.

Just a muddy, slippery slope. Not like it used to be.
(owner of an American car, a Japanese car, three American motorcycles and one Japanese motorcycle...currently. Just stating so that I show that Im not biased towards one or the other)
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I hear this sentiment frequently. You're are correct that domestic brands can be imported (usually from Canada or Mexico,) and imported brands can be made domestically. But, a vast majority of domestic models are indeed assembled in the US with US made motors, transmissions, sheet metal, etc. You could likely count the number of Toyota or Honda's US assembly plants on one hand. Not so much with the domestic 3. Ford, for example, has two separate plants in Louisville alone. I think the history books will note our apathy towards domestic industry, but maybe I'm wrong.

Information on where specific models are made is fairly easy to find online and usually doesn't change very often.
 
Culper said:
You could likely count the number of Toyota or Honda's US assembly plants on one hand.
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Yeah, maybe if you grew up around Chernobyl

www.novatotoyota.com

What Toyota Vehicles Are Made in the USA?

Toyota US Manufacturing Plants & American-Made Models You may think of Toyota as a Japanese brand, but did you know that Toyota has been manufacturing vehicles on American soil for more than 34 years? As of 2020
www.novatotoyota.com www.novatotoyota.com
Toyota has plants in eight different states building cars
 
Culper said:
I hear this sentiment frequently. You're are correct that domestic brands can be imported (usually from Canada or Mexico,) and imported brands can be made domestically. But, a vast majority of domestic models are indeed assembled in the US with US made motors, transmissions, sheet metal, etc. You could likely count the number of Toyota or Honda's US assembly plants on one hand. Not so much with the domestic 3. Ford, for example, has two separate plants in Louisville alone. I think the history books will note our apathy towards domestic industry, but maybe I'm wrong.

Information on where specific models are made is fairly easy to find online and usually doesn't change very often.
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Also, I dont think there is apathy towards domestic brands, it's just being honest that not all Fords are made in America, and not all Toyotas are made in Japan.
Again, I own 6 vehicles - 4 are domestic. Im not apathetic towards American brands, nothign Ive said has bias in it, I dont think, Im only trying to be honest/use facts.
My "American" car was built in Mexico...I think. Or maybe in Europe. I dont know. I dont care, honestly. It was what I wanted, checked all the boxes, and still does.
My motorcycles were built in Wisconsin. Ive visited the factory multiple times before and after the closure(s). Again, checks the boxes.
As do the Asian vehicles I own.
 
HMP said:
Yeah, maybe if you grew up around Chernobyl

www.novatotoyota.com

What Toyota Vehicles Are Made in the USA?

Toyota US Manufacturing Plants & American-Made Models You may think of Toyota as a Japanese brand, but did you know that Toyota has been manufacturing vehicles on American soil for more than 34 years? As of 2020
www.novatotoyota.com www.novatotoyota.com
Toyota has plants in eight different states building cars
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HMP said:
Also, I dont think there is apathy towards domestic brands, it's just being honest that not all Fords are made in America, and not all Toyotas are made in Japan.
Again, I own 6 vehicles - 4 are domestic. Im not apathetic towards American brands, nothign Ive said has bias in it, I dont think, Im only trying to be honest/use facts.
My "American" car was built in Mexico...I think. Or maybe in Europe. I dont know. I dont care, honestly. It was what I wanted, checked all the boxes, and still does.
My motorcycles were built in Wisconsin. Ive visited the factory multiple times before and after the closure(s). Again, checks the boxes.
As do the Asian vehicles I own.
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So I read the article, and some of the numbers are a bit vague. They have 4 vehicle assembly plants in the US according to the article. They have additional plants as well that the article didn't elaborate on. I assume those are engine or transmission or stamping plants. Don't get me wrong, those jobs state side are a good thing. My point was domestic brands produce significantly more volume in the US in a significantly larger number of facilities, and I frequently hear folks say something to effect of "ABC brand is made here, XYZ brand is made there" without any facts involved.

Apathy may have been too strong of a word on my end. Then again, maybe not. You simply state you "don't care" where your car was made. Is that not the definition of "apathy?" Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying? I understand that you are within your right not to care. I just ponder the implications of a nation who doesn't seem to consider their own domestic manufacturing base. It goes for vehicles, tires, appliances, and a host of other products.

Sometimes you don't have a choice where a certain product is manufactured. I get that. But often times, we do, and don't put the effort into checking "Made in" labels. I'm not preaching to you or anyone, and I hope I have stimulated some thought.

Again, information of where specific models are made is readily available for vehicles.
 
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