Traveling with weapons acquired

This isn't gong to matter and will provide exactly no legal protection.

Ownership has to take place through an FFL in such circumstances, since crossing state lines is involved.

And any handguns may only be taken possession of via an FFL in your home state.

It's not as simple as "they were gifted to me by (will or whatever)".

Because eff the federal government, that's why.
I am under the impression, perhaps flawed, that you do not have to jump through all the silly hoops if a will is involved. I was coexecutor of my uncle's will several years ago. He willed one of his handguns to a relative who lives in Virginia. The lady in the courthouse did not bat an eye and made no mention of any necessity to involve a FFL in either state. Perhaps she just looked the other way, but that was not my impression. I welcome accurate clarification.


edit: Is something you receive from a will considered to be a gift?
 
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edit: Is something you receive from a will considered to be a gift?
I don’t believe so, I believe it’s classified as inheritance. When my grandfather died, though he left a substantial estate, neither I nor my parents got socked with gift tax.
 
The giver pays the gift tax.
The federal inheritance tax kicks in at something like $5 million. Not a concern to us. Most states, including NC and OH (of interest to me) don't have an inheritance tax. The only thing my grandfather’s estate (executor) had to do was sell enough securities, which were recalculated at a cost basis upon the date of his death, to cover the capital gains tax to provide me with $x per his will.
 
The point about which I am asking is whether an inheritance is considered a gift. I do not think it is. If it is not a gift or a sale, then it should not be treated as one and should not have to go through FFL procedures when taking it from one state to another. I have been wrong before.
 
Purchasing a roll or two of small cell bubble wrap and wrapping each individual heirloom is an excellent way to protect them whether transported inside or outside of the safe. I did this when I had to move a collection of items. It does take time wrapping and unwrapping each one, but it is one of the best ways to minimize potential damage during transport.

 
To follow up on the handgun -> FFL thing, could you run into trouble in the future for not doing so? Say for example, one of the handguns gets sold, lost, stolen, etc. or for whatever reason not in your possession. For the sake of this argument lets say sold and an ownership trace is run. Even without a paper trail let say the guy remembers who sold it to him (you) and you get contacted, but the last FFL record shows sold to your relative in TX. How do you explain having possession of the gun?

Well, we could generate all sorts of "what if" scenarios in which problems could arise. But yes, any investigation in which firearms are involved COULD result in legal problems. How much and what kind of legal problems depends on the situation.

Let's take a scenario like what you described and spin it a couple different ways.

Way 1:

Texas relative owned the handgun for 5 years and gave you the handgun last year. You took the handgun home to NC, where you have been a resident for the last decade. Let's say that you were pulled over for a traffic violation and you were carrying that handgun as your CCW. Through the course of the interaction the officer relieves you of your weapon and as he's processing the traffic violation, he runs a check on the handgun and it comes back as stolen. An investigation is commenced over the next several days and the firearm is traced back from you, to the point where you received the firearm from your family member a year earlier, and your family member accounts for it back to the point where he bought it five years previously at a pawn shop.

Nothing in the investigation leads the detectives conducting the investigation to believe there were any criminal ties to the original theft. However, during the course of the investigation, they discover the transaction between yourself and your Texas relative did NOT involve a transfer of the handgun through an FFL as required by federal law. Criminal charges could very well be forthcoming for this violation of federal law, with all the consequences that may entail.


Way 2:

Texas relative owned the handgun for 15 years and gave you the handgun last year. You took the handgun home to NC, where you have been a resident for the last 5 years. Prior to that, you lived in Texas, the same state as the relative you obtained the handgun from. Let's say that you were pulled over for a traffic violation and you were carrying that handgun as your CCW. Through the course of the interaction the officer relieves you of your weapon and as he's processing the traffic violation, he runs a check on the handgun and it comes back as stolen. An investigation is commenced over the next several days and the firearm is traced back from you, to the point where you received the firearm from your family member, and your family member accounts for it back to the point where he bought it five years previously at a pawn shop. However, the date at which you took possession of the firearm was determined to be while you were still a resident of Texas. (There are ways this could be legitimately established...federal law is based on possession, not ownership. If, for example, you possessed the firearm by virtue of the fact that your relative let you have/use the firearm while you lived in Texas and the handgun had remained locked in a safe to which you were the sole possessor of the combination to BEFORE you left Texas. Any number of scenarios can result in your having legal possession of the firearm in question including, obviously, you actually being gifted the firearm before you left Texas.)

Nothing in the investigation leads the detectives conducting the investigation to believe there were any criminal ties to the original theft. In this case, you are not in violation of federal laws as discovered in the first way listed above.


One has to be very particular about these issues to make sure they're not on the wrong side of the law...and even so, law enforcement may STILL make charges because they're NOT attorneys and will let the DA decide if they need to battle this out in court.


I am originally born and raised in Indiana. I was an Indiana resident for most of the time I was in the Navy, only changing residency to SC much later in my 20 year career. I received a shotgun from Dad during the period in which I was still very much an Indiana resident, so that transaction did not have to go through an FFL. Now if Dad were still alive today, and I've been retired out of the Navy for nearly 2 decades and very much a SC resident for longer than that, then that transaction would have to go through an FFL dealer.


All of this revolves around "possession", "state residency", and what the federal laws say. If you are residents of the same state at the time of the transaction which establishes possession, then no problem. If you are NOT, then at least one FFL is required...two if there's a mix of long guns and handguns and you want to divide it up. (Long guns can go through an FFL in the state of the transaction, where you can then take possession of them. Handguns must go through an FFL in your home state in order to take possession of them.)

If a legal scenario crops up like you postulated, DO NOT talk to the police without consulting with an attorney on the matter. Even if totally legitimate within the eyes of the law, these matters can get convoluted very quickly and law enforcement isn't there to be on your side, looking for a way not to charge you with something. Get an attorney and let the attorney handle it.
 
I am under the impression, perhaps flawed, that you do not have to jump through all the silly hoops if a will is involved. I was coexecutor of my uncle's will several years ago. He willed one of his handguns to a relative who lives in Virginia. The lady in the courthouse did not bat an eye and made no mention of any necessity to involve a FFL in either state. Perhaps she just looked the other way, but that was not my impression. I welcome accurate clarification.


edit: Is something you receive from a will considered to be a gift?

This is a very poor impression, legally, because it doesn't take into account the full scope of the issue. Namely, that there are more than just the federal laws to consider.

Now, I ain't not no bambalance chaser, but I have discussed this issue with others who ARE actual attorneys. There appears to be just such a legal caveat in federal law on this (18USC922(a)(5)9A). The verbiage is as follows:

18USC922(a): It shall be unlawful -

(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, license dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearms made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

ALL transactions must be IAW federal law. Federal law said that in this instance an FFL is not required IF:

- the delivery is made as a bequest of a firearm
- the delivery is to a person permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of his state of residence

And there's the rub: some additional state laws may involved, so check those as well.


State laws must also be followed. If you are prohibited from acquiring or possessing a firearm under your state laws, then tough. If your state requires all firearms transactions to go through an FFL dealer, then you must also go through an FFL dealer.
 
Purchasing a roll or two of small cell bubble wrap and wrapping each individual heirloom is an excellent way to protect them whether transported inside or outside of the safe. I did this when I had to move a collection of items. It does take time wrapping and unwrapping each one, but it is one of the best ways to minimize potential damage during transport.


The value of bubblewrap cannot be overstated.

Many a bottle (read: "hundreds of bottles") of rum made it to the States from Puerto Rico aboard my submarines while I was active duty, safely wrapped in bubblewrap and stowed either in a torpedo tube or the sonar sphere. Not a one was EVER broken/damaged.
 
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