Trump Signs Bill For FBI to Collect Everyone’s DNA

Didn't click the link but didn't he sign this in 2017?
 
I don't know, I am not at the "outrage" level--yet. Let's see how it actually implemented. At the end of the day, DNA is just another version of fingerprints.

I reserve the right to change my mind and implement "outrage."
 
Bailey Boat said:
Personally I refuse to sign in to a website to view the article so I guess that tells you where I am on the DNA thing..... When I'm DEAD you can have it.. along with my guns.....
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That's weird. I went to it this a.m. and no log in required. Now it does. There on to us.
 
Jeppo said:
Guns?

You own guns?

What the hell is wrong with you???????? :eek:
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I used to own quite a few then I lost my job and had to sell them along with my yacht and airplanes. Then I was homeless for a while until I found salvation and got my TV show preaching. Once I had made my fortune back I joined an Ashram in Colorado and pledged it all to Messiah and left there penniless again. So I then began a training academy about guns but since I didn't own any people didn't want to believe me and all I was teaching was the same crap most common sense people already knew. I just wrapped the same crap in different paper and they bought it lock, stock and multiple barrels. I had money coming in hand over fist from minion students until I met this woman... I'll finish later...
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
Implants are just another version of a drivers license.
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You don't have to get a DL. You choose to. If they said that when you get your DL you will also get a fill-in-the-blank, you still have the choice to not get it. If they get DNA when you are arrested--or, better yet, convicted--how could that be, what would be a good word? Worse? More ethically dubious? Than if they get fingerprints?

Again, I might change my mind.
 
Here's The Source and doesn't require a login:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/510/all-info

Rapid DNA Act of 2017

(Sec. 2) This bill amends the DNA Identification Act of 1994 to require the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to issue standards and procedures for using Rapid DNA instruments to analyze DNA samples of criminal offenders.

Rapid DNA instruments carry out a fully automated process to create a DNA analysis from a DNA sample.

DNA samples prepared by criminal justice agencies using Rapid DNA instruments in compliance the FBI-issued standards and procedures may be included in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS).

(Sec. 3) The bill amends the DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 to allow the FBI to waive certain existing requirements if a DNA sample is analyzed using Rapid DNA instruments and the results are included in CODIS.
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Somebody dive in there and find the part where the thread title is confirmed. Currently I'm withholding judgement but leaning toward calling it Fake News.
 
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They've been requiring DNA swabs for a couple of years now.

First you have to be arrested.
Then the test is only for specific crimes, sexual assaults, burglary, etc.
Then the samples are supposed to be destroyed if the case isn't proven.

It's been in effect for a couple of years now and the sky hasn't fallen...Yet.
 
J R Green said:
They've been requiring DNA swabs for a couple of years now.

First you have to be arrested.
Then the test is only for specific crimes, sexual assaults, burglary, etc.
Then the samples are supposed to be destroyed if the case isn't proven.

It's been in effect for a couple of years now and the sky hasn't fallen...Yet.
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I thought it was any felony arrest? And when did they say anything about destroyed?
 
I believe they are already collecting DNA at TSA checkpoints by using hand swabs.;)
 
Here is the criteria from the FBI site. IMO, it's booking is a step or two too early in the process. And looks like the state sets the boundary on who or which crimes get swabbed. I'm fine with doing it to convicts, arrestees not so much.


Below is a list of prerequisites for federal, state, and local booking agencies to participate in Rapid DNA:

  • The state must have implemented an arrestee DNA collection law that authorizes DNA analysis at the time of arrest. Federal booking agencies already meet this prerequisite.
  • Electronic Fingerprint (Live Scan) integration during the booking process for obtaining State Identification Numbers (SID) (UCN for federal booking agencies) from the State Identification Bureau (FBI for federal) in near real time.
  • The booking agency must have network connectivity with the State Identification Bureau (SIB)/CJIS Systems Agency (CSA)
 
A couple of years ago, when I got that clot in my knee, they ran several genetic tests to look for possible causes. Turned out I have one. Still, I'm sure it's now in some dirt of database.

I can see it now. A govt. that wants to make criminals out of anyone can stage the perfect crime leaving your DNA at the scene as the ultimate proof. This goes beyond the Gattaga nightmare.
 
noway2 said:
A couple of years ago, when I got that clot in my knee, they ran several genetic tests to look for possible causes. Turned out I have one. Still, I'm sure it's now in some dirt of database.

I can see it now. A govt. that wants to make criminals out of anyone can stage the perfect crime leaving your DNA at the scene as the ultimate proof. This goes beyond the Gattaga nightmare.
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This is the thing with DNA evidence. There's almost an attitude that it's beyond reproach. Which it might be, but unfortunately humans are not. They plant evidence and frame people sometimes.
 
noway2 said:
I can see it now. A govt. that wants to make criminals out of anyone can stage the perfect crime leaving your DNA at the scene as the ultimate proof. This goes beyond the Gattaga nightmare.
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They can plant evidence now, a whole lot easier and cheaper than using DNA.

DNA is stored digitally, like a digital fingerprint. I am not sure where a master repository is, but I am certain there likely is one that stores it to some point, then gets destroyed. It's not on a card or test tube at the local precinct.
BTW, not sure if people knew this, but you can also petition to get DNA expunged from CODIS now.

Here is some interesting reading:

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/pageDocuments/I6W7Q3D7RM.pdf
 
I don't have a link to the article, but I read one a few weeks ago about some hackers that managed to code a computer virus into DNA, so that any machines trying to examine the DNA get hacked or corrupted.

The mice are already working on outsmarting the new mousetrap. :D
 
noway2 said:
A govt. that wants to make criminals out of anyone can stage the perfect crime leaving your DNA at the scene as the ultimate proof.
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Apologies if this has already been pointed out. We have the ability to read dna, but don’t have the ability to, for example, create a biological sample that matches a stored DNA sequence. Even the folks working on cloning start with a sample and not a digitized sequence.

More important, as we’ve seen throughout history, if the government wants you they won’t bother with a terribly complicated ruse, you will simply disappear or have an accident.
 
Was just wondering about this concept the other day from somethings I have been reading.
I wonder what the public response and perception was back in the 1880s when fingerprints were first collected.
 
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Like you I don’t trust our government. But bad actors in the media can be worse.
I read through this bill and I could not find anything in there about “Collecting Everyone’s DNA”

I’m calling this article FAKE NEWS.
 
CZfool68 said:
It seems that FBI leadership in DC doesn’t mind breaking laws. What are the odds that kind of attitude might spread to the ranks?
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A former coworker, we were paramedics together, went to the FBI. He loved being a field agent and killed his career by not taking promotions and choosing to stay in NC. He said there are three types of FBI employees: 1) people who just want to be field agents, and who loathe the administration and leadership; 2) the people who hate being field agents and promote as soon as possible and who are political; 3) people who never leave DC. He says that 98% of the people who encounter the FBI deal with the first group.

All that is not to say some agents don't follow in lock-step with everything sent down from DC, but it is to say there is a very real disconnect between the people who actually do the work and the people to run the department.
 
Chuckman said:
A former coworker, we were paramedics together, went to the FBI. He loved being a field agent and killed his career by not taking promotions and choosing to stay in NC. He said there are three types of FBI employees: 1) people who just want to be field agents, and who loathe the administration and leadership; 2) the people who hate being field agents and promote as soon as possible and who are political; 3) people who never leave DC. He says that 98% of the people who encounter the FBI deal with the first group.

All that is not to say some agents don't follow in lock-step with everything sent down from DC, but it is to say there is a very real disconnect between the people who actually do the work and the people to run the department.
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And how many of the ‘good’ 98% will just follow orders?
 
CZfool68 said:
And how many of the ‘good’ 98% will just follow orders?
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Good question, who knows. I know my friend has such a heavy workload he chooses how to do his job within certain constraints. He gets cases and it's pretty much up to him how to handle them. The field offices, they really don't have any trust or faith in DC. It's not secret news, either.
 
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