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The Wall Street Journal published a piece heaping the blame for the military recruitment crisis on those who have served - yes, you read that right, military veterans are the problem.

Not the drag queens, not the anti-white rhetoric and policies of Lloyd Austin, not coerced participation in experimental drug trials, but those who enlisted and served
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It is appalling that our media blames low recruitment numbers on people who sacrificed and risked their lives for their country. The headline and teaser read as follows:

The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Families to Join
Pentagon scrambles to retain the main pipeline for new service members as disillusioned families steer young people away[.]


 
Sacrifice and risking your life for your country is one thing. Doing so at the behest of and benefit for waste of life that constitutes the bureaucracy, letter agencies, the presidential administration, etc, is something completely different. It should be no wonder families are telling their children to steer clear.
 
Frcking Zero Hedge, just another load of BS to wind folks up.
Here are the WSJ article headlines:
“Pentagon scrambles to retain the main pipeline for new service members as disillusioned families steer young people away.”
and
“America's cultural cancer manifests itself in many ways, but no symptom is more telling than our low military recruitment.”

Seems that WSJ is reporting it pretty well.

Zerohedge proves again that it is just a crappy rag creating fake drama for clicks.
 
Frcking Zero Hedge, just another load of BS to wind folks up.
Here are the WSJ article headlines:
“Pentagon scrambles to retain the main pipeline for new service members as disillusioned families steer young people away.”
and
“America's cultural cancer manifests itself in many ways, but no symptom is more telling than our low military recruitment.”

Seems that WSJ is reporting it pretty well.

Zerohedge proves again that it is just a crappy rag creating fake drama for clicks.




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Veterans don't want their loved ones on the ground in Ukraine. We'll be fighting for them soon enough and probably fighting against them before it's over. I'm afraid we are sending money and arms to a country that will turn on us.
 
It's not a new thing. My dad served in the sixties and advised me against it in the 80's when I turned 18. He didn't have any principled geopolitical reason tho... just 'you can do better'
 
Sacrifice and risking your life for your country is one thing. Doing so at the behest of and benefit for waste of life that constitutes the bureaucracy, letter agencies, the presidential administration, etc, is something completely different. It should be no wonder families are telling their children to steer clear.

The government is the constant, not the variable. With me passively dissuading my sons from joining isn't with the specific administration per say, but the social policies its attempting to push.
 
Yes, people telling the truth about how bad it is to serve are the reason people don't want to serve.

I can see the logic.

It has always sucked to serve. Why sucks more now isn't because the work is any harder for sure, the work is exactly the same. I don't even think it's Ukraine. I think it's the DEI and the social agenda that's driving this. Anywho, that's how I am seeing it. But I also realized that I am one of how many million veterans? So that's just my perspective.
 
Folks who want to jump out of planes, shoot things, both things up, they are still joining. There is no civilian equivalency. The ones they are really struggling to get are people wanting to go into the technical fields. If you look at where a bonus money is being thrown now, it's cyber, cyber, cyber.
 
Yeah…my dad who served in the 60s basically told me he would be fine with me joining. But not the infantry. Ever.

(Note: this is not a “I would have joined but” message. I didnt join because I was a fat, unmotivated, lump of useless flesh that would have been a terrible soldier. I have no illusions of grandeur.)
 
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It has always sucked to serve. Why sucks more now isn't because the work is any harder for sure, the work is exactly the same. I don't even think it's Ukraine. I think it's the DEI and the social agenda that's driving this. Anywho, that's how I am seeing it. But I also realized that I am one of how many million veterans? So that's just my perspective.


I think we've arrived at a generation that isn't willing to put up with the suck that has pervaded the military for decades. Leadership refuses to consider that treating people better might lead to them wanting to stay and instead just demands more and more new recruits to replace the ones they have chased off through abuse. But they're approaching the limit of what recruiting can do.
 
The problem is right before their eyes yet they do no see.
What makes you think that they don’t see the problem? I think they are well aware, they just haven’t addressed it, and they probably do not know how. If we assume that the problem is “woke policy” the solution isn’t to reject wokeness, that’d look like a step backwards and the government doesn’t do that. Politicians may advance to the rear, but they don‘t retreat. They need a solution that retains “woke.”

But woke may not be the problem at all. The mix of jobs in the military is changing, and as they need more high tech folks, more folks that think of new solutions than that apply old solutions, more folks in demand and making more money in the private sector, they have trouble competing.

On the social side, @Chdamn will attest that a marine full dress uniform was a panty dropper, but I don’t think it is today.
 
It has always sucked to serve. Why sucks more now isn't because the work is any harder for sure, the work is exactly the same. I don't even think it's Ukraine. I think it's the DEI and the social agenda that's driving this. Anywho, that's how I am seeing it. But I also realized that I am one of how many million veterans? So that's just my perspective.
Nope, you’re not wrong.
 
This is a multifaceted issue.

Covid responses limited ftf contact between a recruiter and the biggest pool of potential recruits available: high school students.
Some areas have let the recruiters back into the schools, while others have not, but recruiting is still feeling a ripple effect from that.

Not only is recruiting suffering, but retention is suffering, too. Woke pro LGBT policy being force fed to the Mil isnt sitting well with most. A great many are leaving after one or two contracts because of that.

That severely retarded Covid immunization policy also helped to drive folks away, both on the recruiting and retentuon sides. People didnt want to willingly submit to that policy and a lot just simply got out. A bunch, like me, were eligible for retirement and went that route. But, end result is the retention dropped drastically.
The 'leaders' actually recognized this and changed the policy a bit, but it was too late. The damage had been done.

Couple the LGBT and Immuno policy together with the fact that approx 2 out of 3 people who serve are from conservative/republican states and familial backgrounds, it's no wonder recruit/retain is suffering. People from those background dont want to willingly enter into thatbtyoe of environment.

And to be completely fair, us Vets advising a different path isnt helping the recruit/retain effort. Iirc, about 4 out of 5 people serving have a relative who served. Presumably, those folks, along with prospective recruits, have gotten input from a relative before joining. Most likely a conservative minded relative who disagrees with the policy and direction.

While liberal/democrat leaning folks do join, most of those do so against the wishes of their family and friends. Most left leaning folks I've ever talked to about the military disliked me, in part, due to my military service. Those parents/relatives are also actively discouraging their children from joining.

Lastly, it seems like the left leaning folks who do join up and the ones who were taught liberal policy since birth, went to liberal universities, subsequently comissioned, and rose to major leadership positions.
Its been long argued that the Officer Corps was out of touch with what the Enlisted side needed or thought. Thwt they were out of touch with how their secisions affected the boots on ground folks. Its never been more true than in todays socio-political climate.
Now, there are some level headed officers in leadership positions who understand most of these things. However, when your promotions into the senior ranks are tied to the whims of those above you, being anything other than a yes man can end your career.
Fear is no way to demand compliance to anything.
Now, that last section should be taken with a grain of salt. Its simply drawn from some of my observations and is a very broad generalization.
Different services, and different branches within those services, may have a different view on this.



All these things tie into a force that overall has a declining morale, problems recruiting, and poor retention.
 
Went to a high school graduation recently. They announced the people joining the military.

Out of (iirc) 1500 graduates, 6 were joining.

1 coast guard
1 navy
3 army
1 Air Force.

My class of 800 had 25 people joining.
 
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