Video: Active Mass Shootings in Lewiston, Maine at two or three locations in Androscoggin County

Exspiravit said:
I feel like when you're hearing voices that are telling you to shoot up an Army base, you might need to be held somewhere.
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DrScaryGuy said:
yeah, there are some not so fine lines that we could use.
grumpy and feeling sad - not a problem
making threats to shoot things up and hearing voices that aren't there - problem
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@BlueGecko - do you think all veterans are at risk of losing it and going on a killing rampage? Are we all babykillers at heart just trying to keep our demons under control on the daily?

Watch too many movies about "the Nam" and confuse hollywierd with reality? Maybe you need an annual mental health evaluation due to your delusions.....

See how that works? In my opinion, your opinion is evidence you are unstable and a risk to all veterans and first responders. Therefore you have to prove you aren't every year.

Goose/gander...
 
Car0linab0y said:
@BlueGecko - do you think all veterans are at risk of losing it and going on a killing rampage? Are we all babykillers at heart just trying to keep our demons under control on the daily?

Watch too many movies about "the Nam" and confuse hollywierd with reality? Maybe you need an annual mental health evaluation due to your delusions.....

See how that works? In my opinion, your opinion is evidence you are unstable and a risk to all veterans and first responders. Therefore you have to prove you aren't every year.

Goose/gander...
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He wants all of us to be “tested” annually to be able to keep our guns, so I would say yes he does think that.
 
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The biggest issues with PTSD are suicide and destroying your life and your families in the process. Homicide, particularly outside of immediate family, isn't really on top of that list.

So Army called the police and had him taken to a military hospital. That does not sound like a voluntary commitment. What I'm guessing is that it was kept "in house" and the military did not do, or did not speedily report the commitment. That fits in with the bureaucratic mess that tends to be Gov/Mil. Police not acting on it fits that narrative too.

To the PTSD treatment, not sure how Big Green handles things but it sounds like the SpecOps guys are getting onboard with trying to catch it and deal with it. I'm sure that is entirely dependent on chain of command and has lots of room for improvement. I'm guessing the stigma is a cross between old guard leadership and old guard operators trying to "deal with it". Which they probably could under "normal" circumstances. But you don't understand the physical changes your brain has undergone that slow down or stop you ability to deal. It takes years to instill the mentality they need to do the job, and when it's time to unwind that they think it will work itself out on its own. It won't in most cases.

To the screening, does Mil need to do a better job of it? Yes. Is it because of guns? No. It's because they created the damn problem in the first place and need to work hard to fix it. These folks deserve that. If they get onboard it would make a lot of things better. But we have to overcome the idea that when you are on duty Uncle Sam owns you, and when you leave they are no longer responsible. Well, when you cause problems that creep up after all that job stress and structure is removed you should take responsibility for that.

And it sounds like this guy had deeper mental issues. PTSD may have exposed or exacerbated those. But PTSD seems to be more self destructive when it plays out.
 
Starkherz199 said:
I hear voices every time my mom makes banana pudding. They tell me to eat another bowl.
So far they haven't told me to shoot anyone between me and the spoon.
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It must not be that good.
 
The car he abandoned in Lisbon is 5 mins from my cousin's house. Pretty close to home.

What does it make sense to me is that if you throw a rock you'll hit an NRA or don't tread on me sticker in that area. It's hunting season every Tom Dick and Harry has a 308 and his pickup truck. They have constitutional carry. I can't believe somebody didn't shoot that guy.
 
BlueGecko said:
I really hope people shift and start blaming the alphabet agencies and NOT doing their jobs when attackers have been known problems.


My unpopular Opinion is that people with (or had formerly) high stress jobs such as police, firefighters, the military should be tested annually for mental issues to buy/keep guns.
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Yeah it’s not popular.

Take a man or woman’s kids from them. Divorce, social services, doesn’t matter. You going to test them every year too? You want to talk about stress and violent thoughts, that’s going to be 45% of America by it’s self.

What about the massive drugs given to Americans by doctors, mostly women for their mental depression. It creates severe psychotic reactions.. Testing them as well? Much more danger in that than a guy who patrols the streets. People have guns well before getting mind altering drugs from a doctor. I doubt we will see an alphabet agency drop by to take peoples guns when any of the above occur.
 
Slacker said:
The car he abandoned in Lisbon is 5 mins from my cousin's house. Pretty close to home.

What does it make sense to me is that if you throw a rock you'll hit an NRA or don't tread on me sticker in that area. It's hunting season every Tom Dick and Harry has a 308 and his pickup truck. They have constitutional carry. I can't believe somebody didn't shoot that guy.
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Most folks facing the lanes as he walked inside the building, he had little resistance plus his military training.
 
gunn24 said:
www.wbtv.com

Fearful Maine residents stay home amid massive search for suspect in killing of 18 people

Heavily armed police surrounded a home Thursday as they searched for a U.S. Army reservist who authorities say killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine.
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- on reserve duty for training when he hears voices
- taken to a military hospital for mental evaluation
- in hospital longer than evaluation period in state law

I'll take a wild guess that he was ordered to stay in the hospital until the end of his training time and was then sent home. Voila - the base/unit commander avoided the possibility the guy would explode while on duty, but also avoided the messy process of getting the guy adjudicated mentally defective and kicking him out of the reserves.
 
gc70 said:
- on reserve duty for training when he hears voices
- taken to a military hospital for mental evaluation
- in hospital longer than evaluation period in state law

I'll take a wild guess that he was ordered to stay in the hospital until the end of his training time and was then sent home. Voila - the base/unit commander avoided the possibility the guy would explode while on duty, but also avoided the messy process of getting the guy adjudicated mentally defective and kicking him out of the reserves.
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Is it safe to say all of us here on CFF have lost confidence in this Commander?
 
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Family Reveals Suspected Gunman’s Link to Maine Massacre Sites

Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast / Lewiston PoliceThe family of Robert Card—who is suspected of killing 18 people in two mass shootings in Maine on Wednesday night—say the Army reservist had previously claimed he was hearing voices at the two locations he allegedly attacked.In the aftermath...
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What's wrong with the media?

When I looked at the news early this morning, the media was reporting 22 dead and 60 wounded. This afternoon, they are reporting 18 dead and 13 wounded.
 
gc70 said:
What's wrong with the media?

When I looked at the news early this morning, the media was reporting 22 dead and 60 wounded. This afternoon, they are reporting 18 dead and 13 wounded.
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Complete lack of integrity and facts in the interest of sensationalism, mostly.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
The question is which federal agency prepped and equipped him?
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From Yahoo. o_O :eek: 🤣
She (sister-in-law) said that Robert Card recently began wearing powerful hearing aids to combat hearing loss. Since then, Card said her brother-in-law has been insisting to his family that he can hear people bashing him—including at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grill, where he’s accused of gunning down 18 people on Wednesday night.
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Katie Card insisted that her brother-in-law is probably just “scared.”
“We know he is out there and he is a good person in his heart,” she said.
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And the rabid dog was a great pup.
The Mohammedan, a pious, family man.
And there's this guy..
The reaction should be similar for the lot..
Prayers for the families of all..
 
Saw a press conference wherein the ME Governor more or less admitted that they failed on the Yellow Flag.
 
gc70 said:
What's wrong with the media?

When I looked at the news early this morning, the media was reporting 22 dead and 60 wounded. This afternoon, they are reporting 18 dead and 13 wounded.
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And the army came out saying he is not a firearms instructor. But the media is still going with it.

At least one outlet let it slip that the assumed he was because of how he handle the rifle. Like years of experience won’t do that too.

Speaking of which I thought I heard he had been in the military a while? The article above says he’s been in the reserves about a year.
 
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I reckon this will get used specifically to push for a registry... "We knew he had mental issues, but we didn't know he had guns, because there's no registry. If only he had to register his guns this would never have happened."
 
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