Was the Ark found ?

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I don’t know what to think of this yet… an older friend of mine was telling me about it.





 
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I don’t know what to think of this yet… an older friend of mine was telling me about it.






Try this video
 
It was never lost, just well hidden. The men who guard it tend to live short lives because it's so radioactive.

The information is out there.
 
Something important needs to be pointed out here.

Within the Ark of the Covenant, designed by God, but built by man, God is not confined in the Ark.

As far as I’m concerned, the ark itself and the tablets it might contain, while archeologically speaking are wildly significant, have no bearing on God’s current plans for us.
 
, the ark itself and the tablets it might contain, while archeologically speaking are wildly significant, have no bearing on God’s current plans for us.
Yes and no.

Day to day, right now? No.

In the likely near future? Yes.

It's "discovery" will precipitate the rebuilding of Solomon's temple. This will be a key moment in "end times" prophecy.
 
Yes and no.

Day to day, right now? No.

In the likely near future? Yes.

It's "discovery" will precipitate the rebuilding of Solomon's temple. This will be a key moment in "end times" prophecy.
I view this in somewhat the same light as I view those who attempt to discern in advance the time and place of certain end time events.

We’ve been told that no man knows.

Along with that I don’t think the plans of the Almighty are at all dependent upon our finding the Ark of the Covenant.

Just my opinion.
 
It is a sad day for a culture when we know more about a silly movie than the actual events and item to which we refer.

The last time the original recipients of the ark thought of it as a talisman, or object CONTAINING great power, it did not go so well for them (something about wholesale national slaughter, the death of religious leaders, loss of their talisman, and hemorrhoids/cancerous tumors), but nothing face melting like Spielberg's fantasy.

I do have a relevant question. Since everything to which the original ark/temple referred and pointed to HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, why is there an obsession among some with "restoring" it? Last time I checked, you build a scaffolding only long enough to construct the building. When the building is completed, you don't pine and long to re erect the scaffold. It finished its purpose and is retired.
 
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It is a sad day for a culture when we know more about a silly movie than the actual events and item to which we refer.

The last time the original recipients of the ark thought of it as a talisman, or object CONTAINING great power, it did not go so well for them (something about wholesale national slaughter, the death of religious leaders, loss of their talisman, and hemorrhoids/cancerous tumors), but nothing face melting like Spielberg's fantasy.

I do have a relevant question. Since everything to which the original ark/temple referred and pointed to HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, why is there an obsession among some with "restoring" it? Last time I checked, you build a scaffolding only long enough to construct the building. When the building is completed, you don't pine and long to re erect the scaffold. It finished its purpose and is retired.
Certainly not a theologian but as I understand it the Jews don’t consider it “accomplished “. The third temple will absolutely have to be built to complete the end time events. There was a recent story about the acceptable red heifers being found I believe in Texas if I’m not mistaken that are required by the priest to sanctify the temple. Depending on who you believe the third temple and everything needed to re establish temple worship is already built and in storage just waiting for the move to the Temple Mount. No way the Arabs will allow that to happen unless someone very persuasive worked out a solution……
 
Certainly not a theologian but as I understand it the Jews don’t consider it “accomplished “.
Unbelieving Jews are no part of the kingdom of God. They are most certainly NOT "children of Abraham" but rather like unbelieving Gentiles "children of Satan" There is no longer any dividing between believing Jews and Gentiles at all, but all are one in Christ (see the whole 2nd chapter of Ephesians on this). Therefore, "end times" schemes which depend on such a distinction are, at best, questionable. There is literally NO mention of "rebuilding the temple" and a reinstitution of the priesthood and red heifers rediscovered and such stuff in the history of the church until John Darby, a frustrated Church of England missionary to Ireland, "discovered" this rubric in connection with the charismatic meetings of Edward Irving, a presbyterian pastor who had been expelled from the ministry for heresy, in the early 1820s. It was an illiterate milkmaid - Margaret McDonald- who had a "vision" that the entire understanding of the church had been wrong 1800 years and Christ would NOT return "all at once" to wrap up history and judge the nations, but that there would be a "two stage" coming, with one of them being a secret "rapture" of believers- a doctrine unheard of since the time of Christ.

The third temple will absolutely have to be built to complete the end time events. There was a recent story about the acceptable red heifers being found I believe in Texas if I’m not mistaken that are required by the priest to sanctify the temple. Depending on who you believe the third temple and everything needed to re establish temple worship is already built and in storage just waiting for the move to the Temple Mount. No way the Arabs will allow that to happen unless someone very persuasive worked out a solution……
There is no need for a "third temple" since the temple itself is simply a symbol of Jesus. There is no "two stage plan" of God which involves Him needing to get "the church" out of the way so He can go back and do "plan A" (national political Israel in the land of Palestine).
I know this may sound bizarre and maybe even heretical to you, since the doctrines of "dispensationalism" are so widely believed among American believers that many think there are simply no other orthodox views, but you might wish to read up a bit on this. There is, in fact a very good thread in the "chapel" section (not scribed by me) dealing with this very issue. It may surprise you.
 
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Doesn’t really sound foreign to me, I’ve heard apostate claims made against scripture before. According to the Bible I read the Jews ARE God’s chosen people, not were. I saw a very similar line of thought posted over on NCGO and I ignored that poster as well.
 
Doesn’t really sound foreign to me, I’ve heard apostate claims made against scripture before. According to the Bible I read the Jews ARE God’s chosen people, not were. I saw a very similar line of thought posted over on NCGO and I ignored that poster as well.
If you are stating that you think Tans is apostate, you got off the elevator one floor too soon.
 
People are obsessed with objects and symbols. It's like the search for the Holy Grail. It's a form of idolatry. People put more in the object than the faith it represents, where the real power lies.

Just sayin'
 
Doesn’t really sound foreign to me, I’ve heard apostate claims made against scripture before. According to the Bible I read the Jews ARE God’s chosen people, not were. I saw a very similar line of thought posted over on NCGO and I ignored that poster as well.
Who are "Jews" according to the New Testament?......

apostate, huh? ok
 
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There is no need for a "third temple" since the temple itself is simply a symbol of Jesus.
Yes and no.
And, Tans, I know you already know this...but for the benefit of any other reader...
Jesus' body is the spiritual Temple.
And since the Church is the body of Christ, we are part of that Temple.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


As far as a 3rd physical Temple, you are dead on. There is zero mention of a 3rd Temple being built by God's people in the NEW Testament. If another Temple is erected, it has nothing to do with the worship of the 1 and only true God. It would be blasphemy of Christ, and akin to saying Jesus's sacrifice (once and for all) was not enough.

Check your history. Julian the Apostate tried to rebuild the Jewish temple in 363 AD as a middle finger to the Christians, with Jewish help. When they were building the foundations, fire come up from under the ground, consumed the building material, and killed all the workers who were working on it. Building a 3rd Temple is contrary to God's will.
 
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If you are stating that you think Tans is apostate, you got off the elevator one floor too soon.
It is ok. There are big big sections of American Christianity who - if you state that the current geopolitical group of people in Palestine are NOT equivalent to the OT people of God - view that like you have denied the inspiration of scripture, or the Trinity, or the resurrection of Jesus. It is not from hostility to YOU, so much as it is the general vibe that "oh, no one who is truly regenerate believes that." The church as a whole is amazingly insular, and phenomenally ignorant of how people have viewed this stuff thru the centuries. If it ain't in the Scofield Bible and "Left Behind" doesn't teach it, it can't be true gospel based teaching. :)

I came to Jesus when I attended such a church (although I was converted outside the ministry of the church proper).

I need to, as Paul commanded "watch my doctrine closely" ... so stuff like this is good for me.
 
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If you are stating that you think Tans is apostate, you got off the elevator one floor too soon.
Don’t know if he is or isn’t just stating what God said in Genesis 11 in regards to the Jewish people. BTW I think the thread was about the ark. I personally believe it to still be somewhere on the Temple Mount and it will be put back in the Holy of Holies once the 3rd temple is built. Get ready to clutch your pearls now, I believe the physical temple will be rebuilt, the daily sacrifices will be reinstated. However as a pre tribulation Christian believer I won’t be around to see any of it.
 
Doesn’t really sound foreign to me, I’ve heard apostate claims made against scripture before. According to the Bible I read the Jews ARE God’s chosen people, not were. I saw a very similar line of thought posted over on NCGO and I ignored that poster as well.
Sounds like you adhere to the Dispensational system of interpretation. I grew up in that, but Don't agree with it after I studied all the schools of Eschatology. I respect that you adhere to that system. I would only suggest/ask/beg that you give a small look into the other systems of interpretation. Even if you maintain your current opinions, knowing more about all the methods of explaining End times prophecy will make you a better apologist.
But please don't fall into the trap of calling Christians who disagree with your view of Eschatology apostates. Dividing the body of Christ is never helpful. Eschatology is a tertiary issue. Not even the early church agreed in it, but they never called each other heretics for disagreement.
 
People are obsessed with objects and symbols. It's like the search for the Holy Grail. It's a form of idolatry. People put more in the object than the faith it represents, where the real power lies.

Just sayin'
 
Don’t know if he is or isn’t just stating what God said in Genesis 11 in regards to the Jewish people. BTW I think the thread was about the ark. I personally believe it to still be somewhere on the Temple Mount and it will be put back in the Holy of Holies once the 3rd temple is built. Get ready to clutch your pearls now, I believe the physical temple will be rebuilt, the daily sacrifices will be reinstated. However as a pre tribulation Christian believer I won’t be around to see any of it.
You need to let the New Testament define what the word "Jew" truly means. It does, you know. The wooden insistence that this means the physical progeny of Abraham thru Isaac is simply anti New Testament. "ISRAEL" are all believing Hebrews AND Gentiles. Take it up with Paul, Peter, and the author of Hebrews if that conflicts with your doctrinal structure.
The problem with Darby, Scofield, DTS, and the whole dispensational structure is one of what we call "hermeneutics" or how one interprets the bible itself. The "dispensational" school takes the position of what THEY call "plain language" and say "well, the OT says God will bless Israel and Israel is 'clearly' the sons of Abraham in covenant. Therefore Israel means the national political people of Israel." When you start from that position, it is understandable how you get that whole system, including the VERY bizarre view that God's Old Testament promises to "Israel" have not yet been "fulfilled" and the time scale demands a re-institution of that whole set, with national Israel, the temple, the priesthood and a two stage plan of God morphing from "Israel" to "the church" (two different entities in that system) and God needing to "get the church out of the way (a secret rapture).
Again, the problem is that this wooden insistence that "ISRAEL" means the physical progeny of Abraham is in fact, unbliblical. The New Testament demands the right to define "Israel" NOT as merely the children of Abraham physicallly, but those who are children of the FAITH of Israel. Dispensationalists (not all, but some of the more ugly types like Chafer, Walvoord, and Ryrie) sneer at this as "spiritualizing" the OT promises. If so, then so does Paul and Peter and whoever wrote Hebrews, so I guess I am guilty, too.
I think that the BIBLE should tell us how we interpret the bible, and the BIBLE clearly and unequivocally says that the children of FAITH are the sons of Abraham, and that we who trust in Jesus (whether Gentile or Jew) are "Israel" and the promises are fulfilled in "us" (in quotes, as they are actually fulfilled in Jesus, but in "us" b/c we are his body).
The best example of this (although the New Testament is full of examples) is the explanation by Paul in Romans 4 of God's original promise to Abraham that he would have dominion over "the land." Paul does an unusual thing here, though, and says that God's promise was that Abraham's promise was that he would inherit the entire WORLD. Interesting thing is that nowhere in the Abrahamic covenants does God explicitly state that the OT political/bloodline of Abraham will rule the entire earth. Paul picks the actual promise up, and shows that the PROPER HERMENEUTIC (or rule for interpreting) these promises is to view them fulfilled in Christ - and consequently in all the children of faith.
There are other issues that caused me to abandon dispensationalism (the first book I read as a believer was "Late Great Planet Earth" and I had the charts and timelines of rapture, trib, millenial reign, etc etc all memorized), but the root or core of it was when I realized I adopted an anti biblical rule of interpretation to hold on to that system. It was only later that I realized that the origins of this system were late and actually unheard of before the 1820s. Thus began my "apostasy" :).
 
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Oh, just to try to be fair here.... There is a whole school of what is called "progressive dispenstionalism" that has arisen since about 1986 and has been very influential at Dallas Seminary and some other dispensational schools. They are less rigid and less combative than the old line school of disp and have attempted to respond to some of the critiques by that which I am advocating, which is called "covenant" theology, or the view that God's plan is ONE covenant, all of faith, all about Jesus, with ONE people of God, believing in ONE promise all over epochs of time.
I do admit I have not researched that stuff (the newer segue of dispensationalism or "progressive" disp) very much, as I just am not obsessed with it. I should delve into it, I suppose, just so I can be updated on it.
Too many other things have taken priority in my search of the Scriptures for me to stay focused on what I consider to be a backwater issue.
 
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Always learning here, and appreciate the discourse fellas.
@Starkherz199 is a VERY good guy on this subject and is in process of composing a small treatise (and I should know about treatises, right? :) ) on this subject. He is a patient, thorough, fair, and kind person when interacting with those with whom he disagrees, so it should be worthwhile waiting for him to put this together. He has a pretty good "series" going on in here about differing views. I think the one on dispensationalism is coming soon. Again, it should be good.
 
@Starkherz199 is a VERY good guy on this subject and is in process of composing a small treatise (and I should know about treatises, right? :) ) on this subject. He is a patient, thorough, fair, and kind person when interacting with those with whom he disagrees, so it should be worthwhile waiting for him to put this together. He has a pretty good "series" going on in here about differing views. I think the one on dispensationalism is coming soon. Again, it should be good.
Yep. I’m a fan. Had some very interesting discussion standing in a gun store parking lot swapping pea shooters with Mike.
 
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