What it's like for one teacher who already carries a gun

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Not saying it's the perfect answer but it beats the hell out of doing nothing. I personally feel that increased police presence would be a better answer but based on the dipsh*t that stood outside and did nothing I doubt even that answer.

Possibly increase the difficulty of entry to the buildings (key cards read by a scanner) controlled by a computer based system where a single student could be effectively locked out by disabling his/her card.

I'm not sure what the answer is, and before everyone says "parenting", I'm thinking more in the short term....
 
Locks only worth for honest people, he could walk in behind another person or bust a window.

Everyone at a school should be a SRO, just like the range, everyone is on board with safety.
Not all SRO will be armed, they may not want that responsibility, that is OK, the training will be the same.
Should SHTF, all SRO will know how to use a firearm if needed.
 
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I'm not sure what the answer is, and before everyone says "parenting", I'm thinking more in the short term....
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This is the ultimate answer. But in the short term we need local and state agencies and officials to step up. The feds are too slow and detached to be any help. We need local people to step up with solutions that can be implemented fast and are effective at actually keeping kids safe. Arming teachers that want the responsibility, physical barricades for doors, limited entry to buildings, etc. Sure, some of this stuff isn't 100% effective. But put together it confused and slows done the perp, which is part of what you want to do.
 
Trump said today or last night one that we need to harden our schools not soften them more and nothing will change until we do.

I agree that the last thing we need to do is soften them but hardening them isn't the answer either. The solution is so simple, repeal any and all gun free zone laws around schools. Teachers and principals who want to arm themselves can and will. There will be at least one in almost every school. Parents and volunteers could be armed as well.
 
This potential solution would expose a large number of children to guns that are not controlled by the police...this will be strongly opposed by the democrats. For reasons both good and bad it will receive lackluster support at best for teachers and school administrators. Jim’s assessment, it’s already dead.

Of course Trump knows this, so what is he angling for.

Also, which of you is the Russian creating dissent in out little community?
 
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Possibly increase the difficulty of entry to the buildings (key cards read by a scanner) controlled by a computer based system where a single student could be effectively locked out by disabling his/her card.
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A lot of kids are very forgetful - they'll forget/lose their pass. They cant remember a damn pencil for school, they WONT remember a special card to get them in the building. Now more headache for the front office staff and more money in lost/extra cards for those kids.
If they cant get in, their friend will open the door for them.

There are, simply, too many entrances on schools.

I dont know what the answer is, but Ive yet to hear anything Im really keen on quite yet.

It'd be great if they'd provide us a safe in the room (if we choose) to store a handgun, just in case.

I hear people talk about metal detectors etc etc etc...where is this money going to come from? Our schools are already broke.
Some schools cant afford PAPER, and now there will be money for all these new guards and metal detectors etc?
 
HMP said:
A lot of kids are very forgetful - they'll forget/lose their pass. They cant remember a damn pencil for school, they WONT remember a special card to get them in the building. Now more headache for the front office staff and more money in lost/extra cards for those kids.
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True. Do you know why? Because they don't have to. Excuses and/or work around will be provided.

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If they cant get in, their friend will open the door for them.
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This is a perfect example of a work around.
 
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True. Do you know why? Because they don't have to. Excuses and/or work around will be provided.



This is a perfect example of a work around.
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And the options/solutions to this?

"sorry, kid, you cant come to school today because you forgot your pass"
 
HMP said:
And the options/solutions to this?

"sorry, kid, you cant come to school today because you forgot your pass"
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Locally, the schools tend to be pretty open in the morning as kids roll in. Then they start locking down entrances where they can. That's certainly a possibility. And while kids will let other kids in, if we are talking about students that have been kicked out of school that might not be the case. And in the case of Lanza, he was not a student there. Of course, the locked door only slowed him down a bit. But like I said above, some of it is about slowing them down.

And metal detectors are useless in these instances. They may be OK to stop day to day problems but at the point you have decided to shoot up a school, they are useless.
 
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And the options/solutions to this?

"sorry, kid, you cant come to school today because you forgot your pass"
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Yes, and usher them to a special room where @Chdamn is the teacher! :eek:

The solution won't be easy as the (most) kids have been doing what they want with no repercussions. To think of a solution you need to identify the problem. Do I have a solution? Not yet, but I'm thinking about it.
 
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This is an interesting subject. I have four daughters. Two are in college, one is in high school, and my youngest is in middle school. I think the 'gun free zone' stuff should go away. You will most certainly have armed parents and teachers in the school throughout the day. If the shtf, these folks would not be required or encouraged to 'run towards the sound of gunfire', but instead just hunker down, defend yourself and others, and wait for the cavalry to arrive.
 
I like the idea of putting police sub stations at schools. It could work in some places and wouldn't cost anything since they have to have them anyway. I also like the idea of putting 5,10,15 or ever how many gun lockers into the office or classrooms of admins, teachers or employees who volunteer and get training for it.
 
Help me on this - what would a police sub-station do differently? Put more police there?
Do the cities/counties have the resources to hire an additional 30 officers per district? (Some less, some more)
 
I hear people talk about metal detectors etc etc etc...where is this money going to come from? Our schools are already broke. Some schools cant afford PAPER said:
Schools have no money because the politicians choose this.
They know parents and teachers will come up with what they need.
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Help me on this - what would a police sub-station do differently? Put more police there?
Do the cities/counties have the resources to hire an additional 30 officers per district? (Some less, some more)
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They don't have to hire any more officers. They already have sub stations in strip malls and such. Just relocate them to schools.
They wouldn't be able to put one at every school but putting them where they can is a cost effective option that can't hurt.
 
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Help me on this - what would a police sub-station do differently? Put more police there?
Do the cities/counties have the resources to hire an additional 30 officers per district? (Some less, some more)
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Our local police can take all the officers parked on Rt 64 and Rt 55 for traffic duty and put them in a school. It is not like they are 'serving the public' now anyway.
 
A lot of people seem to think that arming teachers means it is solely so that they can return fire. The far more likely outcome will simply be less violence in schools, as the possibility of facing an armed individual changes minds about attacking in the first place.
 
HMP said:
A lot of kids are very forgetful - they'll forget/lose their pass. They cant remember a damn pencil for school, they WONT remember a special card to get them in the building. Now more headache for the front office staff and more money in lost/extra cards for those kids.
If they cant get in, their friend will open the door for them.

There are, simply, too many entrances on schools.

I dont know what the answer is, but Ive yet to hear anything Im really keen on quite yet.

It'd be great if they'd provide us a safe in the room (if we choose) to store a handgun, just in case.

I hear people talk about metal detectors etc etc etc...where is this money going to come from? Our schools are already broke.
Some schools cant afford PAPER, and now there will be money for all these new guards and metal detectors etc?
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Where does the money come from? You FIND IT!!!

We prioritize needs each and every day. We spend BILLIONS each year as a nation on "education". A lot of that spending is pork barrel waste. We spend 10s of millions in constructing a single school complex, many with architecture to express the unique characteristics of a community. BS... Standardize designs statewide. These standard designs can be constructed with minimal site specific modifications. Use the savings to install safety features. We have millions of dollars in lotto money here in SC. Originally, lotto money was earmarked for education. Now legislatures use it for a myriad of crap...

We find money to secure our courts, banks, businesses... FIND THE MONEY TO SECURE SCHOOLS!! Yeah, it may be tough... You may kiss somebody off... But, Mr. Politician, you were elected to make hard decisions.

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Edit: Broward County is going to spend 30 MILLION DOLLARS to tear down the building where the shooting took place, and build another building. Nothing butt an emotional reaction. How far would that $30M go to install better security in the district?
 
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You could also stop paying all those "specialists" and lobbyists that get millions of dollars every year to come up with classes and curriculums that do everything from promote "white guilt" to hating America. ;)
 
Let some of the teachers be armed. Then it becomes like hooker roulette.

Never heard of hooker roulette?

You have your choice of six cocksuckers, but one of them is a cannibal.
 
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Chdamn said:
I agree that the last thing we need to do is soften them but hardening them isn't the answer either. The solution is so simple, repeal any and all gun free zone laws around schools. Teachers and principals who want to arm themselves can and will. There will be at least one in almost every school. Parents and volunteers could be armed as well.
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+100

Fully agreed

Put an effective deterrent in the schools and trained armed school staff is a no brainer.

As shown in the vid below, seems Anti-Gun folks have a much different opinion privately


 
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