when is somebody going to put a 1911 trigger...

[CZfool68]

Maybe a CZ P07 or P09 with the a flat SA only trigger? Not sure they have that for those 2 models, but if they do it may be the closest you can get for a reasonable price. Otherwise an SP-01 or CZ75 with a SA on trigger. Not a 1911 trigger but you could get the performance fairly close.

 

[fieldgrade]

My post wasn’t about finding another trigger that is close in performance to a 1911 trigger. As mentioned upthread, the Apex FSS trigger is a shining example of a great trigger, as well as some other fine firearms mentioned herein.

The 1911 trigger to me is singularly the easiest trigger to manipulate while minimizing trigger jerk.

I just wondered why no one has attempted to build a gun around this style of trigger, as well as also build a gun that is standardized so that parts are easily interchangeable, rather than requiring fitting, because it doesn’t seem to be that hard for anyone EXCEPT 1911 builders.

 

[John Travis]

I just wondered why no one has attempted to build a gun around this style of trigger

If anyone felt like there was a market for such a pistol, they already would have.

It's about the money, not doing something just because it can be done or because a few people would like to have one.

 

[wvsig]

My post wasn’t about finding another trigger that is close in performance to a 1911 trigger. As mentioned upthread, the Apex FSS trigger is a shining example of a great trigger, as well as some other fine firearms mentioned herein.

The 1911 trigger to me is singularly the easiest trigger to manipulate while minimizing trigger jerk.

I just wondered why no one has attempted to build a gun around this style of trigger, as well as also build a gun that is standardized so that parts are easily interchangeable, rather than requiring fitting, because it doesn’t seem to be that hard for anyone EXCEPT 1911 builders.

One of the problems is that everyone in the 1911 business is using a different spec. Les Baer frame's mainspring housing holes are not the same spec as others. He uses fullsized frames for commanders. SA's 1911 frames are different then Colts. Then you move into parts where if you are a parts manufacturer like Wilson or EGW you have to build them oversized so they will "fit" a wide variety of frames, slides etc.... That is why we end up having to fit everything

When you are building a replacement trigger for a Glock 19 Gen 4 you know that every single Glock 19 Gen 4 is going to be built to the same spec. The part can be made to drop in because there is no variance in the spec. The same is true for the S&W M&P, Sig P320 etc..... They all are the same so building a drop in part is much easier. You could do it with a 1911 style polymer gun but there is no guarantee anyone else's parts would fit. Unless it was a big seller no one would make parts specific for your gun so you will still be picking from oversized parts.

@John Travis is right that if there was a market for it they would make it. I just don't see the market beyond the niche that the Wilson EDC guns and the Dan Wesson Vaporware are playing in. There is no large economy of scale production to be had for this type of design without LEO or Military sales only commercial sales.

Plus on top of that unless you made the frame just like a 1911 the actual feel of the trigger pull in your hands might not be the same. The Wilson is not yet it is exact what you are asking for.

 

[John Travis]

One of the problems is that everyone in the 1911 business is using a different spec. That is why we end up having to fit everything.

And that's the irony of the modern 1911 pistol.

When the WW2 contracts were in the offing, Springfield Armory was tasked with revamping the specs and developing a set of GO and NO GO gauges for virtually every part and sub-assembly on the gun to insure that every gun and every part...no matter who made it...would freely interchange with any gun made by any contractor without the need for an armorer or even specialty tools.

And, it worked. Thus, the concept of a true drop-in part became reality. Although gun makers had worked for years to reach that goal, it was never achieved on that level. When similar steps were taken with the other weapons contractors supplying the same weapons....like the Garand...it all fell into place.

And so, it seems that we've progressed backward.

 

[Wilmingtonppb]

Not exactly what you’re talking about but take a look at the CZ TSO. I stupidly sold one but the trigger was better than any 1911/2011 I’ve shot and was almost impossible to manipulate into a misplaced shot. Granted, that may be because the pull weight was 1.4 lbs and the pull length was about 1.2 millimeters. It was damn near straight back given these characteristics even though technically on a hinge.

 

[CZfool68]

One of the problems is that everyone in the 1911 business is using a different spec. Les Baer frame's mainspring housing holes are not the same spec as others. He uses fullsized frames for commanders. SA's 1911 frames are different then Colts. Then you move into parts where if you are a parts manufacturer like Wilson or EGW you have to build them oversized so they will "fit" a wide variety of frames, slides etc.... That is why we end up having to fit everything

When you are building a replacement trigger for a Glock 19 Gen 4 you know that every single Glock 19 Gen 4 is going to be built to the same spec. The part can be made to drop in because there is no variance in the spec. The same is true for the S&W M&P, Sig P320 etc..... They all are the same so building a drop in part is much easier. You could do it with a 1911 style polymer gun but there is no guarantee anyone else's parts would fit. Unless it was a big seller no one would make parts specific for your gun so you will still be picking from oversized parts.

@John Travis is right that if there was a market for it they would make it. I just don't see the market beyond the niche that the Wilson EDC guns and the Dan Wesson Vaporware are playing in. There is no large economy of scale production to be had for this type of design without LEO or Military sales only commercial sales.

Plus on top of that unless you made the frame just like a 1911 the actual feel of the trigger pull in your hands might not be the same. The Wilson is not yet it is exact what you are asking for.

After your fine lengthy post my immediate take away is “so a Glock is a McDonald’s burger and a 1911 is a gourmet burger from a local joint.”

Guess I better go grab an early lunch. Food is on the brain.

 

[wvsig]

@fieldgrade I'll bet one of these wouldn't need any tinkering. I came very close to ordering one of these last year. I'd still like to have one and I'm not getting any younger.

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