Will firearms transport on planes be banned?

[P01135809]

I travel a fair amount. I'm worried that it will be banned or extremely difficult to transport a firearm on a plane.

watching the SHOCK and OUTRAGE from folks on the news (anchors and politician) is scary.

their sudden awareness of the LOOPHOLE is scaring the crap out of them.

they are more focused on this than the fact that it is a soft target that can be more easily attacked from outside in!!!

i still have to take my shoes off and not have liquids...I'm predicting ban or big hurdles.

federal law doesn't protect flight just transport

 

[12151791]

I hope not, that will be another politician knee jerk reaction.

 

[bigfutz]

Well it seems perfectly clear that unil you go through security, anyone can carry whatever - legally or not. Maybe they can move the security checkpoint to the front door, or the parking lot, but at some point you are outside of the "safe" area.

 

[P01135809]

Well it seems perfectly clear that unil you go through security, anyone can carry whatever - legally or not. Maybe they can move the security checkpoint to the front door, or the parking lot, but at some point you are outside of the "safe" area.

seems clear to someone w common sense...but GUN in a plane!!!! ban!!!!!!

dicounting the thousands of safely passaged firearms each year...

 

[Coltdefender1911]

Just hope that's all they try and go for. Knowing from past reactions they will try and ban water guns, bb guns, pellet guns etc. They even may try and ban impact guns.

 

[Charlie]

I see no difference between the baggage claim area outside the security gate and the street outside the airport as far as safety is concerned. He did not have to have had the firearm in a checked bag that came off an airplane to do what he did. The terrorist accomplished his goal of terror by making people think that they are unsafe because firearms can be carried on flights in checked baggage.

 

[Friday]

No.
If anything, it'll be like Wal Mart where they escort you to the door with your new rifle, as you open carry your 1911. Don't even see that though.
Remember, Obama is not President anymore, and regardless of their incessant yapping, the Dems and their lap dogs in the media have been spayed.
Plus, they have the attention span of a gnat. Next shiny lure that comes along, they'll spit this one out and bite on that.

 

[Bailey Boat]

Same thing would have happened if I drove up to the curb outside baggage claim, opened the trunk and pulled my rifle out and walked inside and opened fire. So what's to ban?? It's an unsecured area. What they really need is more gun buster signs and this stuff wouldn't happen.... Why can't they realize that??

 

[Don]

Well it seems perfectly clear that unil you go through security, anyone can carry whatever - legally or not. Maybe they can move the security checkpoint to the front door, or the parking lot, but at some point you are outside of the "safe" area.

The talking heads on Fox were saying something about this yesterday. I got so p*ssed off I wanted to shoot the TV. RDU is already a CF when you are trying to drop someone off or pick them up because of the way the roads run by the terminals. Let's bring the security check point to the door and make it even worse.

And how about the families trying to see a loved one off? Do we make everyone go through security now? And then let everyone go to the gate like it use to be?

 

[Crazy Carl]

False flag op? These shooters tend to go down in a hail of gunfire or off themselves, but this fool just laid down & waited to be cuffed.

Fails the "smell test", if you ask me.

 

[Don]

False flag op? These shooters tend to go down in a hail of gunfire or off themselves, but this fool just laid down & waited to be cuffed.

Fails the "smell test", if you ask me.

Someone asked in another thread this week where was the mass shooting that happens every time the POTUS needs a distraction...

 

[Jerzsubbie]

many years ago they wanted to stop firearms in checked luggage because they were saying someone could get into the cargo compartment and retrieve the gun...


ummmmm.. NO...

it would be almost impossible on a few aircraft, and definitely impossible on others

Airbus A300 and 340 has a door in the floor of the cockpit that goes into the avionics bay.. you must get into the cockpit to do that, and the cockpit has a bulletproof door
B767 and some 757's have a door that goes into the avionics compartment in the forward galley... once you are in the avionics compartment you would need to cut through a wall to get to the forward cargo.. some 757's have a door under the carpet just before the galley, but you could not get the carpet up without passengers seeing you as the person doing it would be in the front of the plane in the aisle pulling up 15 feet of carpet to get to the door... then they would have to cut through the wall in the avionics compartment..

most smaller planes don't have doors to the avionics compartment... this fact didn't stop the media from harping on it however...

Logic and common sense have no place in a Lib argument.

 

[Jerzsubbie]

If Trump weren't getting sworn in 2 weeks from now I might be concerned.

it could however be used a emotional fuel against national reciprocity and the HPA. Emotional reactions are the left's best tool.

 

[beamernc]

2 weeks ago I walked straight into the baggage claim area at Clt Douglas to pick up a vendor. No security, so anyone could pretty much carry whatever they wanted into the baggage claim area. I don't even remember there being any security guards or cops as I walked in.

 

[Don]

2 weeks ago I walked straight into the baggage claim area at Clt Douglas to pick up a vendor. No security, so anyone could pretty much carry whatever they wanted into the baggage claim area. I don't even remember there being any security guards or cops as I walked in.

RDU and GSO are the same way. For that matter so are Colorado Springs and Denver. You are outside the secure area at baggage claim.

 

[Tailhunter]

Just leave my guns alone.

 

[Silver_Bullet]

I try not to fly much. Last time was to Vegas back in 2011. For pleasure / vacation I'd rather drive and see stuff if I have the time. I completely understand flying for business or work.

Anyway I thought you could check a gun in, but you couldn't bring ammo? IDK, I've never checked a gun in at the airport. What's the rule on ammo?

 

[WeepingAngel]

I try not to fly much. Last time was to Vegas back in 2011. For pleasure / vacation I'd rather drive and see stuff if I have the time. I completely understand flying for business or work.

Anyway I thought you could check a gun in, but you couldn't bring ammo? IDK, I've never checked a gun in at the airport. What's the rule on ammo?

Needs to be contained (not loose in the luggage). Some airlines are cool with loaded mags some want it in factory (or factoryish) packaging. I just throw it in the factory box and put unloaded pistol unloaded mags and ammo box in a locking container (the same for all three) in accordance with TSA refs.

 

[Hammer12b]

Well it seems perfectly clear that unil you go through security, anyone can carry whatever - legally or not. Maybe they can move the security checkpoint to the front door, or the parking lot, but at some point you are outside of the "safe" area.

Yep, just where is "far enough!?"

 

[billyh]

Guns will not be banned in checked baggage. Look at an airport near a military base and you'll see why. The vast majority of them still fly comercial on orders and a bunch of them (mostly small groups/teams) fly with their guns.

And as far as taking off your shoes look into TSA Pre-check. Want more info just let me know.

Edit: if you guys have any TSA question I'll try to answer them as best as I can. PM would probably work best.

 

[Don]

Guns will not be banned in checked baggage. Look at an airport near a military base and you'll see why. The vast majority of them still fly comercial on orders and a bunch of them (mostly small groups/teams) fly with their guns.

And as far as taking off your shoes look into TSA Pre-check. Want more info just let me know.

Edit: if you guys have any TSA question I'll try to answer them as best as I can. PM would probably work best.

I agree about Pre-check.

 

[bigfutz]

I see no difference between the baggage claim area outside the security gate and the street outside the airport as far as safety is concerned. He did not have to have had the firearm in a checked bag that came off an airplane to do what he did. The terrorist accomplished his goal of terror by making people think that they are unsafe because firearms can be carried on flights in checked baggage.

Wow. You really summed it up like no one in the MSM could. In fact, I have not even seen this said in the almighty social media networks.

 

[WeepingAngel]

many years ago they wanted to stop firearms in checked luggage because they were saying someone could get into the cargo compartment and retrieve the gun...


ummmmm.. NO...

it would be almost impossible on a few aircraft, and definitely impossible on others

Airbus A300 and 340 has a door in the floor of the cockpit that goes into the avionics bay.. you must get into the cockpit to do that, and the cockpit has a bulletproof door
B767 and some 757's have a door that goes into the avionics compartment in the forward galley... once you are in the avionics compartment you would need to cut through a wall to get to the forward cargo.. some 757's have a door under the carpet just before the galley, but you could not get the carpet up without passengers seeing you as the person doing it would be in the front of the plane in the aisle pulling up 15 feet of carpet to get to the door... then they would have to cut through the wall in the avionics compartment..

most smaller planes don't have doors to the avionics compartment... this fact didn't stop the media from harping on it however...

Not to mention... IF you got into the baggage compartment, there's still the matter of locating and accessing the bag. I've never been in one, but I'd wager a six pack of Sam Adams it's NOT a 30-second process.

 

[bigfutz]

False flag op? These shooters tend to go down in a hail of gunfire or off themselves, but this fool just laid down & waited to be cuffed.

Fails the "smell test", if you ask me.

He tried to turn himself into the FBI saying he was being brainwashed. MK ULTRA?

 

[P01135809]

pre-check is usually much better.

why can't we have a bra bomber?!?!??!?

 

[RFMan]

Guns will not be banned in checked baggage. Look at an airport near a military base and you'll see why. The vast majority of them still fly comercial on orders and a bunch of them (mostly small groups/teams) fly with their guns.

And as far as taking off your shoes look into TSA Pre-check. Want more info just let me know.

Edit: if you guys have any TSA question I'll try to answer them as best as I can. PM would probably work best.

TSA Precheck really rankles. $85, only good for five years, fingerprint/background check, have to go for an onsite appointment...in order to reduce the amount of government overreach required to get on an airplane. For crying out loud, just pass me with my CCW, because I already went through all this for that mother-may-I permit...

 

[billyh]

pre-check is usually much better.

why can't we have a bra bomber?!?!??!?

Already been done. Also check out "black widow bomber" in a google search. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra_bomb

 

[Cowboy]

I wouldn't consider an airport a "soft target". Yes there are parts that may not be secured but compared to a mall or school it's hardly a soft target.

 

[Jayne]

Let's bring the security check point to the door and make it even worse.

I've flown in/out of TLV 4 times, and the screening can start before you even get onto the airport grounds. I've had to show tickets/passport just to get onto the road that leads to the terminal (they're not against having you step out of your cab for a quick once-over). Trust me, it can get more crazy if they try.

 

[fishgutzy]

Well it seems perfectly clear that unil you go through security, anyone can carry whatever - legally or not. Maybe they can move the security checkpoint to the front door, or the parking lot, but at some point you are outside of the "safe" area.

Doesn't matter how far back you put the security perimeter. Criminals will still break the law.

 

[Joeface]

They are already making it harder to travel with a firearm. It used to be you would go to the counter and declare your firearm and they would do the paperwork and place it in your bag then take the bag. Now They do the paperwork, call the TSA, you wait until the TSA comes to get you, they take you back to an inspection area and inspect the bag. They then take you back to the counter and turn in your bag. You can then go to the security checkpoint to get to your gate. You have to plan on an extra 30 minutes if your traveling with a firearm.

 

[WeepingAngel]

They are already making it harder to travel with a firearm. It used to be you would go to the counter and declare your firearm and they would do the paperwork and place it in your bag then take the bag. Now They do the paperwork, call the TSA, you wait until the TSA comes to get you, they take you back to an inspection area and inspect the bag. They then take you back to the counter and turn in your bag. You can then go to the security checkpoint to get to your gate. You have to plan on an extra 30 minutes if your traveling with a firearm.

When did that change? I'm no expert in the process, but flew last summer/fall w/ firearms and there was zero TSA interaction.

 

[Scari]

it could be a reaction to this event, all I can say is keep your eyes on any new laws being presented in congress,

 

[BudE]

Certainly, this is an excellent excuse to ban firearms of any kind on any airplane train or bus.

 

[SPST]

I wouldn't consider an airport a "soft target". Yes there are parts that may not be secured but compared to a mall or school it's hardly a soft target.

They're pretty soft. You could drive a U-Haul right in front of the baggage claim and right underneath departures at CLT and cause massive destruction.

 

[HK_fanboy]

I've never traveled with a checked firearm and; therefore, haven't researched the rules and regulations regarding flying with one. I just thought flammable itsms or anything that could go boom was band from planes (oxygen tanks, lithium batteries, certain mobile phones, hoverboards, etc.). Several years ago I had some friends go on a hunting trip in Montana. After going through some red tape, the airline allowed them to check their rifles but not their ammo. The airline told them, ammo was not allowed. They ended up shipping their ammo out using a ground courier. So, I just thought ammo was a banned from planes.

 

[steelciocc]

I travel with firearms frequently. Every airport/airline seems to handle the process differently but it is generally painless. As was said earlier, if The Donald wasn't moving in I'd be concerned that the dems would seize the opportunity to enact an emotional solution. For now, I think (hope) nothing will change.

 

[billyh]

Straight from the TSA website:


You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.

Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage. [h=2]Firearms[/h]

• When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
• Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
• Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock.
• Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
• Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, firearm definitions includes: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; and any destructive device. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. [h=2]Ammunition[/h]

• Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).
• Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm.

 

[billyh]

Straight from the TSA website:


You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.

Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage. [h=2]Firearms[/h]

• When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
• Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
• Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock.
• Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
• Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, firearm definitions includes: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; and any destructive device. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. [h=2]Ammunition[/h]

• Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).
• Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm.

That's pretty much it. You can have ammo in a factory box in your checked bag and it will pass the TSA check. They can't be loose. A gun has to be locked and the case can't be easily opened. If it has more than one place for a lock I'd use more than one. A pistol case can be in your checked bag.

Now, with all that said the air lines might have different rules. That's on them and they can have the final say of what can and can not go on and in their plane. Just because it passes for TSA does not mean it will pass for the air lines and vice versa.

 

[P01135809]

what are the procedures for tsa to change rule?

How much of a role will the president play in TSA regulations?

the firearms owners protection act protects interstate transport, but there's no mention of airplane.

seems like the rules can be changed by decree. or individual airlines could say Leo or military only... or no transport or no ammo...

obviously hope it doesn't happen but I worry it will be the emotional reaction.