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kcult said:
Without looking it up, I'm going to say that you're 100% wrong about dog retrieval, with the help of LEO. A landowner may have felt either intimidated or nonchalant about it, but I'm pretty certain there is no law or statute that says guys can go on someone else's land and get their dogs, regardless of how much value someone places on the mutt.
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So far as S.C. is concerned..You are EXACTLY RIGHT.......No Poleeeece of ANY KIND can Make you let somebody on YOUR property to retrieve anything.
Most folks that don't understand why we dislike Trespassers so much don't have land to worry about. Now...you wanna see a Sumbich get mad....walk across a Yankee's yard that is about the size of a postage stamp. Then when they get here and get 1/10 of an acre they think they live on Tara Plantation....Now those folks will go ALL Yankee Mouth on each other for walking in their yard.
 
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So far as S.C. is concerned..You are EXACTLY RIGHT.......No Poleeeece of ANY KIND can Make you let somebody on YOUR property to retrieve anything.
Most folks that don't understand why we dislike Trespassers so much don't have land to worry about. Now...you wanna see a Sumbich get mad....walk across a Yankee's yard that is about the size of a postage stamp. Then when they get here and get 1/10 of an acre they think they live on Tara Plantation....Now those folks will go ALL Yankee Mouth on each other for walking in their yard.
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Hell, if you're working in a yankee's neighbor's yard, they'll still come out and hassle you. Deal with it weekly. Nosy bastards that can't get along with somebody even though they bought a house 15ft away from the house next door.
 
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The pics were from 9/19. The lock was found cut back around the middle of August. The camera wasn't working in August because of a bad card, so there's no evidence of anyone trespassing then, only the one time in September.

I did inquire about the likelihood that a club member leasing the land from Edwards may have given these guys permission to enter the property. I was told they would not have, but even if someone did, that doesn't give these guys permission to be on our property.
 
The purple paint law has helped a little. It is hard to tear down purple paint on a tree or fence. I have had maggots tear down my posted signs and then claim the land was not posted. A game Warden busted a trespasser on my land without me even knowing about it. The fellow was trying to catch dogs on my land in sight of the road and right behind some purple bands on trees. The warden checked him and found out he did not have permission. It cost the fellow several hundred dollars. I found out about it later from a friend who does have permission to come onto my property to hunt, fish, and catch dogs.
 
S4f said:
According to NC hunting regulations NC has no right to retrieve statute.so how does law enforcement make the land owner let you retrieve the dogs just curious.

Here's a pdf of NC dog hunting regulations In case any one interested

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That’s true to an extent. Once a law enforcement officer is involved, I have NEVER had one that told me I couldn’t go get my dog(s). I have on a couple occasions tried to call my dog off their land but if I dog is treed, meaning the animal is up a tree and the dog is barking on said tree, it is very hard to call the dog off that tree. If I’m close to the dog, I have done it before but if the dog is pretty far, it’s about impossible. We have gotten both deputies and wildlife officers involved at the same time before and in the end, we are always allowed to go get them. We try not to intentionally go on someone’s land without permission first. Most of the time if you’re nice and ask then they don’t mind. We also try and get surrounding landowners permission ahead of time in the change the dogs do cross over. It always pays to be nice but I’m not going to leave my dog.

Also, FYI, it’s illegal to tamper with/remove/turn off tracking devices of said dogs.
 
Crankbait said:
That’s true to an extent. Once a law enforcement officer is involved, I have NEVER had one that told me I couldn’t go get my dog(s). I have on a couple occasions tried to call my dog off their land but if I dog is treed, meaning the animal is up a tree and the dog is barking on said tree, it is very hard to call the dog off that tree. If I’m close to the dog, I have done it before but if the dog is pretty far, it’s about impossible. We have gotten both deputies and wildlife officers involved at the same time before and in the end, we are always allowed to go get them. We try not to intentionally go on someone’s land without permission first. Most of the time if you’re nice and ask then they don’t mind. We also try and get surrounding landowners permission ahead of time in the change the dogs do cross over. It always pays to be nice but I’m not going to leave my dog.

Also, FYI, it’s illegal to tamper with/remove/turn off tracking devices of said dogs.
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15 years ago In Wilkes county we'd had trouble with the same group of bear hunters locks getting cut gates knocked down .
We caught them at the gate trying to get in to retrieve a dog as we were coming out And denied them access so they
called l.E.
Deputy shows up has a long conversation with both parties then informs them they have no right to access the land without our permission dog or not.
Told them they could walk around the property line and Hollar their heads off if they wanted but if the crossed over they'd be charged with trespassing.
So I guess it's the law enforcement you're dealing with. Or if you know theres no right to retrieve statute like we did .
Just my 2cents your experience may differ
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
So far as S.C. is concerned..You are EXACTLY RIGHT.......No Poleeeece of ANY KIND can Make you let somebody on YOUR property to retrieve anything.
Most folks that don't understand why we dislike Trespassers so much don't have land to worry about.
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I’m not aware much of SC law. I have competition coon hunted with dogs in lots of different states. We usually truck the guide to now where we are hunting and have permission. As far as the LE I have dealt with, I’ve never been denied to retrieve my dog. The LE May go with us or tell us to go retrieve and come back but never been denied. Most people don’t mind if you take the appropriate steps(asking permission, etc).


What we need to realize anyway, @kcult was talking about someone cutting a lock, driving a vehicle on his property, hunting with dogs and killing the animal. An ethical hunter isn’t going to do that. They are poachers. Poachers aren’t going to ask permission. They’re intent is ilegal to start with. We try to control our dogs the best we can but there’s only so much we can do.

I don’t hunt with dogs anymore since I got married. I figured hunting 6 nights a week wasn’t healthy for a marriage. But back when I was hunting, there weren’t so many houses and neighborhoods and developments like there is now.

I dislike trespassers just as much as the next guy. We have over 80 acres. I have dealt with trespassers. 97 acres just sold next to mine last year. The new owners son shot a deer on their property but didn’t fully kill it. I saw him riding a four wheeler down my pipeline to get to the other side of his property. I rode out and confronted him and explained to just come see me next time. I went and helped him find the deer. It ran off a little ways and after he tried to shoot it again and missed, I had to kill it for him. I asked if it was technically mine or his. We laughed and I helped him drag it out. In the end, there’s no reason to be a butt. Trespassing with property damage, blatant or otherwise is a different story.
 
kcult said:
I did inquire about the likelihood that a club member leasing the land from Edwards may have given these guys permission to enter the property. I was told they would not have, but even if someone did, that doesn't give these guys permission to be on our property.
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This is one thing I don’t understand, if someone leases your land, the current leaser can give someone else permission to go on your land. I’m sure you can draw up a contract to saw otherwise but still don’t understand it.
 
Crankbait said:
That’s true to an extent. Once a law enforcement officer is involved, I have NEVER had one that told me I couldn’t go get my dog(s). I have on a couple occasions tried to call my dog off their land but if I dog is treed, meaning the animal is up a tree and the dog is barking on said tree, it is very hard to call the dog off that tree. If I’m close to the dog, I have done it before but if the dog is pretty far, it’s about impossible. We have gotten both deputies and wildlife officers involved at the same time before and in the end, we are always allowed to go get them. We try not to intentionally go on someone’s land without permission first. Most of the time if you’re nice and ask then they don’t mind. We also try and get surrounding landowners permission ahead of time in the change the dogs do cross over. It always pays to be nice but I’m not going to leave my dog.

Also, FYI, it’s illegal to tamper with/remove/turn off tracking devices of said dogs.
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A LEO can not give you permission to trespass on posted land in the situation described. They can inform you that you can go on land that is not posted unless the owner has previously told you not to do so. If that land was not posted and if you have not been told never to return, you legally can go get the dogs without the LEO telling you to go on the land.
 
S4f said:
15 years ago In Wilkes county we'd had trouble with the same group of bear hunters locks getting cut gates knocked down .
We caught them at the gate trying to get in to retrieve a dog as we were coming out And denied them access so they
called l.E.
Deputy shows up has a long conversation with both parties then informs them they have no right to access the land without our permission dog or not.
Told them they could walk around the property line and Hollar their heads off if they wanted but if the crossed over they'd be charged with trespassing.
So I guess it's the law enforcement you're dealing with. Or if you know theres no right to retrieve statute like we did .
Just my 2cents your experience may differ
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This is very true. But sorta why I was trying to make a point, most people will allow the retrieval of dogs if you simply ask permission first.

Cutting locks and destroying property is not the right way. Being nice and asking permission goes a long way.

In the summertime we always hunted corn fields. Sometimes the coon is stubborn and don’t want to run up a tree quick, they’d travel to the next property or even several properties over. I’ve knocked on doors and asked to get my dog and have been given the response, “Those *@!%# coons keep eating and tearing up my garden. You can get your dogs if you kill the coon!” Haha. We usually end up get permission to come back to hunt, as long as we take care of the pests(coons in this case) lol. So again it pays to be nice and upfront.
 
I always laugh when I hear “ oh they start running & we can’t stop them”, or “ I can’t recall my dogs, sorry man they can’t read the property lines”.

No, but your dumb@as can train your dogs properly, & invest in a gps collar so YOU can see where the dogs are headed & recall if needed. I pissed off a couple young punks telling them that back in the day…


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Charlie said:
A LEO can not give you permission to trespass on posted land in the situation described. They can inform you that you can go on land that is not posted unless the owner has previously told you not to do so. If that land was not posted and if you have not been told never to return, you legally can go get the dogs without the LEO telling you to go on the land.
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I reckon it depends on the LEO. I’ve never had one that told us we couldn’t. 🤷🏻 But these are usually bad cases anyway. Most people don’t care if you’re nice
 
Coon hunting with dogs competition, learn something new every day.
 
JimB said:
Coon hunting with dogs competition, learn something new every day.
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It’s very big. Big money also. My brother went to college on scholarship money he won coon hunting. He is currently at the world competition. Usually $30k for first prize.
 
Not sure why anybody thinks it's ok to have an animal off leash with no recall training.

If your dog is out running around and you can't CALL IT BACK than it is your fault it's on someone else property. It doesn't matter if it understands trespassing. It's your fault that it is on the land and it is your fault it isn't coming back.
 
Crankbait said:
This is one thing I don’t understand, if someone leases your land, the current leaser can give someone else permission to go on your land. I’m sure you can draw up a contract to saw otherwise but still don’t understand it.
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The gate is on Edwards property, but the road runs across ours. The camera is on ours.

IF they had permission from the people leasing the Edwards property, they never got ours. We know the people leasing that land they've not mentioned allowing anyone in. The cut lock is a pretty good indicator they didn't have permission.
 
Recall training? It’s pretty obvious no one has hunted with dogs in this thread. A dog has their own mind just like humans. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t. If a dog is on a trail/tree, sometimes it’s hard to call them off. Sometimes you can/ sometimes not.

By some of these comments about dogs, I assume your dogs listen 100% of the time and y’all keep them on a leash 100% of the time. I hate to see your dog get loose and go on someone else’s property and they put it in their fence and tell you that you aren’t allowed to retrieve your dog. Then what? What would you do? Would you respect the landowner and let them have your dog? What if they shot it just for walking on their property. They weren’t hurting anything or anyone, just walking on the property. Some of y’all need to step back and realize the comments y’all are making. I know how some people feel about their dogs as being part of the family and like a kid.

So some of y’all are saying that if your dog goes onto someone else’s property, y’all aren’t being responsible enough with your dog and the other property owner can do whatever they want to do with it? And you’ll let them?

The MAIN concern here is property damage and poaching. Not moral/ethical hunters.
 
kcult said:
The gate is on Edwards property, but the road runs across ours. The camera is on ours.

IF they had permission from the people leasing the Edwards property, they never got ours. We know the people leasing that land they've not mentioned allowing anyone in. The cut lock is a pretty good indicator they didn't have permission.
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After reading the comments after your post, my comment was mainly meant to give perspective from the other side. I don’t condone trespassing or damaging property in anyway. I also don’t condone shooting someone’s dog just for coming on your land or not allowing someone to get their dog especially if they go through the right channel. But it’s clear the guys that trespassed on yours were wrong on all fronts and should be caught and charged. Their are lots of people that hunt with dogs and the majority of them are responsible.
 
phideux said:
If you are going to hunt with dogs, why can't you just get a piece of land big enough so you don't have to worry about crossing lines?
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I don't think a parcel that big exists.

There is something mystical about property lines. We've found stands on line trees with shooting lanes cut 100yds onto our property.
 
elitematch said:
I always laugh when I hear “ oh they start running & we can’t stop them”, or “ I can’t recall my dogs, sorry man they can’t read the property lines”.

No, but your dumb@as can train your dogs properly, & invest in a gps collar so YOU can see where the dogs are headed & recall if needed. I pissed off a couple young punks telling them that back in the day…


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Perhaps the dogs I have hunted with were on the dumb end of the scale, but trying to pull a dog off a hot track was never easy. Some would just not be caught by a stranger or even by the owner. It sure would be nice to have dogs that you could call in whenever you wanted. Perhaps some hunters have them, the dog owners with who I hunted for many years did not. I have spent many an hour in the dark trying to help a fellow get back his dogs. We hunted on about 15,000 acres of timber company land and rarely had to worry about dogs getting off our lease. When they occasionally did, the neighboring club would catch them for us. We would often swap dogs with them at the end of the day.

We had a real jerk who lived down the road who liked nothing better than running dogs across the land of other people. His grandmother had about 35 acres nearby, and he would turn out his dogs on her land. The dogs would be off her land in minutes. He was arrogant when we caught his dogs for him on our land and did the old " dogs do not know where the property lines are" routine. He was also the maggot who tore down posted signs, cut a large shooting lane through my trees so he could hunt in my field from his land 200 yards away, and then baited my field. His bait pile became my gut pile when I discovered what he was doing.

I enjoy a good dog hunt in an area that is suitable for dog hunting. Many areas are not. People frequently try to dog hunt in areas not suitable and often come into conflict with landowners who want neither the hunters nor the dogs on their property.
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Recall training? It’s pretty obvious no one has hunted with dogs in this thread.

I hate to see your dog get loose and go on someone else’s property and they put it in their fence and tell you that you aren’t allowed to retrieve your dog. Then what?
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Recall training??? It does seem a bit obvious that not many people have hunted very much with hounds in areas that are suitable for such activity. A Lab can know quite a few commands and can follow instructions quite well. Been there, done that several times. A quail dog can be hunted very effectively with only two commands, come and whoa. Been there, done that. A hound follows his nose and listens for the pack.

You can not harbor a dog belonging to someone else in NC. Putting a dog inside a fence is not quite the same as having a dog running free on your property.
 
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My dogs have excellent recall and never spend time on a leash. They will stop dead in their tracks even if they are chasing a critter. They WANT to listen to us.

If your dog doesn't have a good recall and you let it loose in a place where it could cause problems it is 100% your responsibility and your problem. If you can't call it off a trail it is still your responsibility. If it goes and kills someone's livestock or bites a child, you are responsible for it's actions.

If your recall sucks it's because you haven't spent enough time with the dog or you haven't properly prioritized the time you spend with it. Or you beat it and it doesn't trust you.

There is absolutely zero justifiable excuse. There are lots of excuses but none of them excuse you from your choices and actions.
 
C-doodle said:
My dogs have excellent recall and never spend time on a leash. They will stop dead in their tracks even if they are chasing a critter. They WANT to listen to us.

If your dog doesn't have a good recall and you let it loose in a place where it could cause problems it is 100% your responsibility and your problem. If you can't call it off a trail it is still your responsibility. If it goes and kills someone's livestock or bites a child, you are responsible for it's actions.

If your recall sucks it's because you haven't spent enough time with the dog or you haven't properly prioritized the time you spend with it. Or you beat it and it doesn't trust you.

There is absolutely zero justifiable excuse. There are lots of excuses but none of them excuse you from your choices and actions.
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My guess is your dog is not a hunting dog, but a pet. I've had hundreds of hog and bear dogs over the years and I used to spend hours and hours working with them. I can count a dozen or less who would take their eyes off of a bayed hog no matter how much calling you did and only two I could call completely off cold turkey. It's a rare thing that goes against their nature. True game dogs are not the same as retrieving or even upland bird dogs. I'm not condoning the rest of the shenanigans of this thread, but what your saying doesn't ring true for most hunting dogs.
 
My dogs are definitely not hunting dogs. They are a part of the family. They are trained to protect the chicken coup and they do run off game. That is as close to "hunting" as they do. I do believe that any kind of dog can have a very strong recall.

The point I really meant to get across though is that if you believe that your dog isn't going to listen to you then you have a responsibility to only let it loose in responsible places.
 
C-doodle said:
I do believe that any kind of dog can have a very strong recall.

The point I really meant to get across though is that if you believe that your dog isn't going to listen to you then you have a responsibility to only let it loose in responsible places.
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Strong recall? That has not been my experience with most deer hounds.

I agree basically with the second part. All places are not suitable for hunting with hounds.

I have no problem with hounds crossing my land. Many times I have seen a pack of hounds run near my stand without disturbing deer I could see. I certainly do not quit hunting just because some dogs ran by. I will generally try to catch the dogs and contact the hunters because a major highway is fairly close, and people frequently do not watch out for dogs very well. I hate to see a pack of dogs splattered all over the highway. I lock my cables behind me when I go to a stand so trespassers looking for dogs will have a harder time getting down to where I hunt unless they walk. Some have been known to do that.

It is the poachers and vandals that cause the most problems. They are human herpes since they never go away and can show up at anytime without warning to make life miserable for landowners.
 
C-doodle said:
My dogs are definitely not hunting dogs. They are a part of the family. They are trained to protect the chicken coup and they do run off game. That is as close to "hunting" as they do. I do believe that any kind of dog can have a very strong recall.

The point I really meant to get across though is that if you believe that your dog isn't going to listen to you then you have a responsibility to only let it loose in responsible places.
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I agree it’s the hunters responsibility. Like I said in one of my earlier post, it’s getting harder and harder to find places suitable to hunt with dogs. With more houses being built, neighborhoods and developments popping up everywhere it’s getting hard to find big tracks of land. My neighbor across the road actually just fenced in about 40 acres to train rabbit dogs. I love to go outside and listen to those dogs run.

There is a big difference between house dogs and hunting dogs. They are trained differently. But don’t think for minute that someone’s hunting dog is not part of their family because they are. I know people that have their hunting dog in their house, take them on vacations, etc. We put more effort in training our hunting dogs than most people put in training their house dog. Different breeds train differently.
 
Crankbait said:
Recall training? It’s pretty obvious no one has hunted with dogs in this thread. A dog has their own mind just like humans. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t. If a dog is on a trail/tree, sometimes it’s hard to call them off. Sometimes you can/ sometimes not.

By some of these comments about dogs, I assume your dogs listen 100% of the time and y’all keep them on a leash 100% of the time. I hate to see your dog get loose and go on someone else’s property and they put it in their fence and tell you that you aren’t allowed to retrieve your dog. Then what? What would you do? Would you respect the landowner and let them have your dog? What if they shot it just for walking on their property. They weren’t hurting anything or anyone, just walking on the property. Some of y’all need to step back and realize the comments y’all are making. I know how some people feel about their dogs as being part of the family and like a kid.

So some of y’all are saying that if your dog goes onto someone else’s property, y’all aren’t being responsible enough with your dog and the other property owner can do whatever they want to do with it? And you’ll let them?

The MAIN concern here is property damage and poaching. Not moral/ethical hunters.
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I was consumed with dogs and coon hunting when I was younger. Leaving just before dark and rolling in after day break.
Black and tan, walkers, redbone. Had a walker with a nose that could tree a lay up coon like no other. Redbone that I could talk to like a human and she did what I told her. When it was time to go, no matter if we just got done treeing or whatever, load up was the signal. She’d walk out with me and get in the truck.
Dogs are amazing animals, some are so smart it is amazing and of course just like people, there are a lot of dumb ones. You train the smart ones.
I am not a pack hunter. One or two at a time.

Man I miss it. 🦝🦝🦝
 
Crankbait said:
I agree it’s the hunters responsibility. Like I said in one of my earlier post, it’s getting harder and harder to find places suitable to hunt with dogs. With more houses being built, neighborhoods and developments popping up everywhere it’s getting hard to find big tracks of land. My neighbor across the road actually just fenced in about 40 acres to train rabbit dogs. I love to go outside and listen to those dogs run.

There is a big difference between house dogs and hunting dogs. They are trained differently. But don’t think for minute that someone’s hunting dog is not part of their family because they are. I know people that have their hunting dog in their house, take them on vacations, etc. We put more effort in training our hunting dogs than most people put in training their house dog. Different breeds train differently.
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It's weird, I sometimes hunt my brother's 25 acres in Lexington and his neighbor breeds and trains rabbit dogs on his land. He's all fenced it so they don't get out. The deer have definitely become used to the sound and I kinda like the sound when I'm coming in. It helps hide my clumsy trek to my stand.
 
concepthomes2 said:
It's weird, I sometimes hunt my brother's 25 acres in Lexington and his neighbor breeds and trains rabbit dogs on his land. He's all fenced it so they don't get out. The deer have definitely become used to the sound and I kinda like the sound when I'm coming in. It helps hide my clumsy trek to my stand.
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I’m in Lexington also where are you hunting at? May be the same lot

But yeah the deer don’t mind at all. I have been coon hunting and walk into a tree, the dogs are barking like crazy and they’ll be a deer laying 25 yards just watching and listening.
 
Crankbait said:
I’m in Lexington also where are you hunting at? May be the same lot

But yeah the deer don’t mind at all. I have been coon hunting and walk into a tree, the dogs are barking like crazy and they’ll be a deer laying 25 yards just watching and listening.
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I'm over off Regan Rd.
 
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