And 2nd place goes to...

[GymB]

I wasn't.

Child molesters, thieves, and trespassers that feel they can damage other's property are all scum. They all take from others what is not theirs. Piss on em all.

I don’t disagree, but one guy pissing on a trespasser seems reasonable, maybe catch him and give him a bit of a beating and extract your $800 from him. But that’s not the right punishment for a child molester. Going the other way, as a society we’ve already agreed that we don’t incarcerate trespassers for long periods much less kill them. If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, then is the American experiment now a failure?

I think a lot of the animosity you're reading stems from the fact that otherwise decent people are absolutely fed up with an ever-decreasing respect for basic law & order, which respect is founded on widespread acceptance of shared values: independence, personal responsibility, the right to personal security, and property rights.

For decades, we've been told that all thieves are at heart, just poor Jean Valjean, stealing a loaf of bread for his starving child! But it is obviously not so.

Societal values have degenerated to the point where it's not just urban ghettos that are home to reprehensible behaviors. These differ from the one-off act of opportunistic greed or desperation. Even in suburban and rural communities, there seems to be an increasing percentage of the population with a nonchalant attitude that whatever they can grab is theirs. That may be deer, fuel, a workman's tools...or it may be a child.

The notion of "this crime worse than that crime" is fading in direct proportion to the abnegation of the so-called "Justice System" to protect public order and mete out fair and just punishments equally under a set of community-backed laws.

Some friends of mine worked on an infrastructure project in Pakistan. They said that it was hard to adjust to dealing with folks whose entire culture believes that it’s okay to screw someone in a deal, that it’s always the other guys fault for getting screwed. I see things going that way in America.

 

[bondjamesbond]

I said that to Dad.

The cutting is probably a half mile or better from the highway, but as the trees are cleared, the equipment becomes visible. To @Mack270's point, besides the Anson county concrete being left on the road, it's probably not hard seeing that trailer full of timber leaving every day.

But, for them to temporarily stop cutting on Wednesday, and this guy easing in there in the wee hours on Thursday, especially now that I know the losers haven't been back since?

Yep. Someone is supplementing their wages.

I think you should share the photo of the pickup truck with the loggers.
They might take care of that problem for you.

 

[Lafayette Gregory]

I don't hunt anymore

As someone that used to coon hunt, I have thoughts on both sides of this issue. For starters, cutting a lock is wrong and destruction of property. I have used and have heard the saying “dogs can’t read posted signs”. This is in fact true, if my dogs could read, they wouldn’t be hunting dogs. A good dog will go where the game they are chasing goes. I have tracked my dogs for miles before. I have hunted on private and game lands. I have always had permission(most of the time it was written permission) from the landowner that I started hunting on. When we turn the dogs out, we never really know where they are going but we TRY to stay on the land we have permission to hunt on. If they do cross over onto someone else’s land we call or knock on the landowners door to get permission. Most of the time they tell us it’s ok. I’ve had lots of landowners want to come with to watch and see how it works. If the landowner doesn’t allow us to go, then we get the law involved and the law lets us go get our dogs. The law is on the hunters/dogs side when it comes to that. As long as property isn’t damaged and you take the correct steps. The landowner can’t not let you get your dogs if law enforcement is present. On the other hand, sometimes if the dogs go on someone else’s land and we feel it’s easier/ better to just get our dogs and get out, we will. No one likes to knock on someone’s door at 2am. And no one likes to be woke up by someone in the middle of the night. This situation usually is ugly and we try to avoid. BUT we do not drive on someone else’s land without their permission and we certainly don’t damage property. I have been shot at before while hunting on property that we had permission. It’s not fun. My dogs have been threatened.

Not all dogs but some are worth a lot of money. My brother still coon hunts and he has been offered 10s of thousands for him. It’s a pricey mistake to shot one.

The guys on your trail cam are not hunters! They are poachers. Hunters don’t cut locks or damage property or kill game on property they don’t have permission.

I’m a landowner and I get the other side also. There are better ways to go about it. Most people that don’t want hunting/fishing on their property put up no trespassing signs with a phone number. I have call many a people to get permission to get my dog before.

I hope this sheds some light on the other side of the fence. Not all hunters are like those people.

. When I was younger my Dad and I were big time fox hunters. We did not need to go on other people's property to retrieve the dogs. Our dogs were trained. We used a cow horn to call the dogs. We stayed on the right of way and called the dogs. They always brock off the hunt and came to us. I would think that now with gps tracking you could follow then closely and call them to you?

 

[Crankbait]

I don't hunt anymore

. When I was younger my Dad and I were big time fox hunters. We did not need to go on other people's property to retrieve the dogs. Our dogs were trained. We used a cow horn to call the dogs. We stayed on the right of way and called the dogs. They always brock off the hunt and came to us. I would think that now with gps tracking you could follow then closely and call them to you?

Hunting has come a long way in the way of gps. My brother has one. I haven’t hunted with dogs in 12 years or so. Back then it was hard ish to pinpoint dogs unless you heard them. We had tracking collars then but they were nothing like the Garmin ones today. Some dogs wood zig zag until they found a coon track, some would go in a straight line. Sometimes we were able to call them off, sometimes not. Our dogs were trained also, but they were trained more to stay on the scent/track/tree. We’re rarely had problems with not being able to get our dogs.

 

[concepthomes2]

Anyone besides me a fan of tripwire alarms that use grenade tops with 209 primers in 'em?

I follow a guy on IG who makes them.. need to find his profile

 

[MacEntyre]

They are easy to make... jus' hafta find them! They don't come with all the parts, so ya gotta find them separately.

 

[Charlie]

maybe catch him and give him a bit of a beating and extract your $800 from him.

That trespasser will have you arrested and then sue you. You will not win. The odds are stacked against the landowner. Even if you do nothing to them, they will use their cell phone to call the law and claim that you threatened them with a gun. You will spend the day in government housing while they hunt your property. That happened to a friend of mine.

 

[Windini]

If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, then is the American experiment now a failure?

You may well have answered your own question. Compare the treatment by law enforcement and the courts of rural poaching trespassers by and large for decades to the treatment of urban smash & grab arsonists last year.

Perhaps a better wording would be that the A E has not failed (it works admirably, as the "comeback" years of 2017 - 209 illustrate), but rather it has thus far failed to defend itself.

The time of "well, it's not that serious a crime in the grand scheme of things" has passed, precisely because property crime has gotten worse, not better. Everyday folks who suffer repeated trespassers, poaching, and theft are right to desire stiffer punishments for perpetrators, especially if law enforcement and the courts lack the local political permission, resources, or will to fairly mitigate crime.

Sorry for the thread hijack!! My comments come from a perspective of once having agreed with @JimB , but evolving into sympathy with those who have suffered criminals' unjust takings for too long.

 

[Charlie]

If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, then is the American experiment now a failure?

It seems as if the people who decide the punishment, if any, for a crime are not the ones who have been wronged by that crime and do not understand the gravity of the harm done to the victim. It is obvious that some on here have not had to bear the financial and emotional costs of being violated by trespassers. I imagine that most who discount trespassing as something minor would change their minds and understand the hostility many landowners have towards trespassers if they would only walk a few hundred yards, not even a mile, in the boots of the landowners.

 

[GymB]

Compare the treatment by law enforcement and the courts of rural poaching trespassers by and large for decades to the treatment of urban smash & grab arsonists last year.

I think that neither is enforced sufficiently, which is a shame. To really see how politicized it has become, compare this to the rabid enforcement of the trespassing in the capitol bldg early last year. But we aren’t just decriminalizing trespassing and related property crimes, we’re slowly decriminalizing nearly everything.

It seems as if the people who decide the punishment, if any, for a crime are not the ones who have been wronged by that crime and do not understand the gravity of the harm done to the victim. It is obvious that some on here have not had to bear the financial and emotional costs of being violated by trespassers. I imagine that most who discount trespassing as something minor would change their minds and understand the hostility many landowners have towards trespassers if they would only walk a few hundred yards, not even a mile, in the boots of the landowners.

Crap, quotes got out of order, oh well.
Judges do seem generally clueless. But I think that applies to urban and rural property crimes equally.
I’ve owned land my entire life. I grew up dealing with trespassers with either a handshake or at the barrel of a gun. Crops driven through, livestock injured or killed or stolen, hunting without permission, poaching, dumping trash, etc and all the related property damage. Even so, if you told me that there was a guy out there that was either going to burn 500 acres of my corn or rape his 10 year old niece, I’d say to take the corn. Neither is a victimless crime, but one is stuff, the crimes really can’t be compared IMHO.

My comments come from a perspective of once having agreed with @JimB , but evolving into sympathy with those who have suffered criminals' unjust takings for too long.

I don’t think we’re very far apart on this, don’t take my comments to mean that I think we should continue to decriminalize property crimes. In general, if it’s worth having a law, then it’s worth enforcing the law. A lot of this crap would end if we still had chain gangs.

 

[kcult]

Diesel theft confirmed. Battery theft attempted.

I realize it's a poor picture upstream, but does anyone have an idea what type truck it is?

 

[fieldgrade]

Diesel theft confirmed. Battery theft attempted.

I realize it's a poor picture upstream, but does anyone have an idea what type truck it is?

Assuming for a moment the truck is probably 25 years old, the tail lights look much more like a Dodge Ram or a Ford to me than a Chevy of that vintage.

 

[BBD280]

Assuming for a moment the truck is probably 25 years old, the tail lights look much more like a Dodge Ram or a Ford to me than a Chevy of that vintage.

Looks like an older Ford Ranger or Mazda b series truck to me, but it's hard to tell.

 

[Lucky63]

I was thinking Dodge too. Fender flares can help narrow down a suspect. I see more trucks without flares than with them

 

[fieldgrade]

Looks like an older Ford Ranger or Mazda b series truck to me, but it's hard to tell.

I had a later model Ranger, and I am seeing that it sure could be. @kcult ’s picture also shows flared fenders too, like the Ranger Sport.

 

[papa_smurf]

Front end/Fender area looks like a late 90s to early 200s Ford Ranger to me. Possibly the "edge" variant.

 

[fieldgrade]

Just to get the pic of the perp on the same page with our comparisons.

 

[Lucky63]

I was thinking similar to this but older

 

[fieldgrade]

I think @BBD280 pegged it.

Ranger, with Fender Flares. Allthough the window posts are black on the perps truck... And the Ram above is blacked out like the perps

 

[MacEntyre]

Not Ranger, or the white B post would show in the blurry pic

 

[fieldgrade]

Not Ranger, or the white B post would show in the blurry pic

Plus I was just wondering if a 250 gallon tote would even fit in the back of a Ranger.

@thrillhill

 

[Trevillian]

Diesel theft confirmed. Battery theft attempted.

I realize it's a poor picture upstream, but does anyone have an idea what type truck it is?

As said above. Mid 2000's Ford Ranger Edge I'd bet.

The totes like that being a pretty standard size. Shows not a full size. My tote fits exactly like that in my 2011 ranger.

The wider, body color, fender flares are exclusive to the Edge or aftermarket (FX4's and some other optioned Rangers had flares as well, but I swear they were a good bit slimmer). The Mazda B series copies had flares sometimes but I think they were slim as well. Also the pic seems to show the more squares Ranger form.

The "black B pillar" treatment that led some to think of a ram. I think is just an anomaly of the movement during the pic. Pulled the door handles and the glint in the mirror too.

If they did put vinyl on the b pillar. It makes the truck that much easier to identify.

Actually looking again. It may be a bag on the rear quarter window. It's "matte" compared to the ps window...

 

[Carolinatlc]

I was also thinking a mid 90's Ranger extended cab based on the original picture. You can see the badge on the front fender @fieldgrade posted.

 

[BBD280]

Plus I was just wondering if a 250 gallon tote would even fit in the back of a Ranger.

@thrillhill

The ones we have are 40×48 on the bottom.

 

[BBD280]

As said above. Mid 2000's Ford Ranger Edge I'd bet.

The totes like that being a pretty standard size. Shows not a full size. My tote fits exactly like that in my 2011 ranger.

The wider, body color, fender flares are exclusive to the Edge or aftermarket (FX4's and some other optioned Rangers had flares as well, but I swear they were a good bit slimmer). The Mazda B series copies had flares sometimes but I think they were slim as well. Also the pic seems to show the more squares Ranger form.

The "black B pillar" treatment that led some to think of a ram. I think is just an anomaly of the movement during the pic. Pulled the door handles and the glint in the mirror too.

If they did put vinyl on the b pillar. It makes the truck that much easier to identify.

Actually looking again. It may be a bag on the rear quarter window. It's "matte" compared to the ps window...

The bed also appears to possibly be too shallow for it to be a full size truck.

 

[fieldgrade]

The right rear side window on the perps truck doesn’t look the same as the right front side window. I downloaded and edited the picture as much as I could to accentuate this subtle difference by increasing the exposure and changing the color to “amplify” what I am talking about. I only edited the entire picture. No photoshopping.

Now look at the right rear side window. Maybe cardboard taped over a broken out window? Which would account for the blacked out window post. Also the badging on the right fender is consistent with the location of the badging on a Ranger.

 

[Frack N Cylons]

The right rear side window on the perps truck doesn’t look the same as the right front side window. I downloaded and edited the picture as much as I could to accentuate this subtle difference by increasing the exposure and changing the color to “amplify” what I am talking about. I only edited the entire picture. No photoshopping.

Now look at the right rear side window. Maybe cardboard taped over a broken out window? Which would account for the blacked out window post. Also the badging on the right fender is consistent with the location of the badging on a Ranger.

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[JohnFreeman]

Well I’m not just going to leave my dog. .

Then don't let it run free.

 

[Charlie]

if you told me that there was a guy out there that was either going to burn 500 acres of my corn or rape his 10 year old niece, I’d say to take the corn. Neither is a victimless crime, but one is stuff, the crimes really can’t be compared IMHO.

I would hope that you would not have to allow him to do either. If you allow him to do one, he will eventually be back to do the other.

Trespassing is not just about stuff.

 

[Mack270]

The right rear side window on the perps truck doesn’t look the same as the right front side window. I downloaded and edited the picture as much as I could to accentuate this subtle difference by increasing the exposure and changing the color to “amplify” what I am talking about. I only edited the entire picture. No photoshopping.

Now look at the right rear side window. Maybe cardboard taped over a broken out window? Which would account for the blacked out window post. Also the badging on the right fender is consistent with the location of the badging on a Ranger.

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I think Ranger as well. That tote fills the bed too. A full size would have a bit more room I think.

 

[Les White]

It looks like the image is a picture taken of a screen. Maybe the original is a bit clearer?

 

[kcult]

It looks like the image is a picture taken of a screen. Maybe the original is a bit clearer?

It is. I think Dad is using a SD card, instead of a microSD. If it was a micro, getting it onto my tablet wouldn't be difficult.

Plus, he's on an old Dell. I don't think he has the option of using bluetooth, but I'm not 100%.

I'll see how possible it is to get the image onto my tablet or phone, without losing too much.

 

[Les White]

It is. I think Dad is using a SD card, instead of a microSD. If it was a micro, getting it onto my tablet wouldn't be difficult.

Plus, he's on an old Dell. I don't think he has the option of using bluetooth, but I'm not 100%.

I'll see how possible it is to get the image onto my tablet or phone, without losing too much.

Attach it to an email and full send.

 

[kcult]

Attach it to an email and full send.

Holy crap. I do not want to make that phone call.

 

[yard mongrel]

I said that to Dad.

The cutting is probably a half mile or better from the highway, but as the trees are cleared, the equipment becomes visible. To @Mack270's point, besides the Anson county concrete being left on the road, it's probably not hard seeing that trailer full of timber leaving every day.

But, for them to temporarily stop cutting on Wednesday, and this guy easing in there in the wee hours on Thursday, especially now that I know the losers haven't been back since?

Yep. Someone is supplementing their wages.

Tell the logging guy to take another 2 or 3 day break, or leave something out in plain sight, stake it out that night, and make this asshole drink 2 gallons of whatever is in that container.

 

[kcult]

We already have a name.

I don't have a Facebook, but the logger's wife does.

This is getting kinda fun. I may need to buy a few more cameras.

 

[GymB]

I would hope that you would not have to allow him to do either. If you allow him to do one, he will eventually be back to do the other.

Trespassing is not just about stuff.

Never mind, tinman.

 

[papa_smurf]

Tell the logging guy to take another 2 or 3 day break, or leave something out in plain sight, stake it out that night, and make this asshole drink 2 gallons of whatever is in that container.

I was thinking something similar.

Get the logging crew to leave a few cans of "fuel" around, with a mixture of gas + diesel in them. The thieves will ruin the fuel system on whatever they try to use the fuel in.

 

[beamernc]

I was thinking something similar.

Get the logging crew to leave a few cans of "fuel" around, with a mixture of gas + diesel in them. The thieves will ruin the fuel system on whatever they try to use the fuel in.

Or a mixture of diesel and DEF.

 

[GymB]

I’d just have the loggers drop a log across the road out of sight from the gate each night when they leave. Position a camera so that when the truck stops you get a clear shot.