That one sentence right there pretty much explains why lots of landowners do not like dog hunters and hate trespassers.
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Well I’m not just going to leave my dog. What else does someone expect. First, ask permission to retrieve dog. If that don’t work, involve law enforcement. If that don’t work, then what? Leave the dog? Not going to happen especially if I know where the dog is.
Retrieving a dog is one thing, but from what I have witnessed before, most of these guys drive where ever they want to, cut locks that might be in their way, open and leave gates open, carry their firearms with them and will shoot at anything they want to while they are on private property. More times than not, from what I have seen, they use the "I'm looking for my dog" to hunt wherever they want to. I have had them drive right past a stand that I was still hunting and had left my truck several hundred yards away. Like most people now days, they don't care about other people, just about themselves.
I have been threatened by trespassers on my own property when I asked them what they were doing and if they had permission to be there.
I have been threatened by trespassers on my own property when I asked them what they were doing and if they had permission to be there.
Then if you get arrested for trespassing, you should not be pissed off at anyone but yourself, if you were told not to go on the property.
That is a good question without an easy answer.
First of all, I see no need to involve law enforcement unless they might be able to convince the landowner to let you get your dog. They can not make the landowner let you on his land. As long as the dog is still free roaming, the landowner is not harboring the dog, and the dog can leave the property unhindered.
Secondly, Asking for permission is, indeed, the best initial step. My experience has been that most landowners grant permission to get the dog, and most will help you find the dog because they know their land better than you do. They do not want you tearing up their roads and fields trying to get to where you hear the dog baying at a treed coon. Every time I see a hunting truck all covered with mud I wonder who is going to have to fix that road or field that was torn up getting that truck muddy. I do know that a landowner is not going to like it if someone TELLS them they are going to go get their dog instead of ASKING if they can. Big difference. That is what leads to more posted signs, more locked gates, and greater animosity towards dog hunters.
If the landowner refuses you permission, it gets tough. I am not sure there is a good answer that works every time. You just may have to wait until the dog gets off the property. That might be minutes and might be hours. I have waited many a dark cold hour helping people get their deer dogs out of the woods on our lease. That was just part of the hunt. It was not a fun part but was not unexpected. We generally were fairly careful to put down only certain dogs into certain blocks late in the afternoon.
First of all, I see no need to involve law enforcement unless they might be able to convince the landowner to let you get your dog. They can not make the landowner let you on his land. As long as the dog is still free roaming, the landowner is not harboring the dog, and the dog can leave the property unhindered.
Secondly, Asking for permission is, indeed, the best initial step. My experience has been that most landowners grant permission to get the dog, and most will help you find the dog because they know their land better than you do. They do not want you tearing up their roads and fields trying to get to where you hear the dog baying at a treed coon. Every time I see a hunting truck all covered with mud I wonder who is going to have to fix that road or field that was torn up getting that truck muddy. I do know that a landowner is not going to like it if someone TELLS them they are going to go get their dog instead of ASKING if they can. Big difference. That is what leads to more posted signs, more locked gates, and greater animosity towards dog hunters.
If the landowner refuses you permission, it gets tough. I am not sure there is a good answer that works every time. You just may have to wait until the dog gets off the property. That might be minutes and might be hours. I have waited many a dark cold hour helping people get their deer dogs out of the woods on our lease. That was just part of the hunt. It was not a fun part but was not unexpected. We generally were fairly careful to put down only certain dogs into certain blocks late in the afternoon.
Old trick,
The sister to my redbone I talked about above was nothing like her. She was definitely a hot headed redhead. She would listen when she wanted to.
One night we killed coon and it was time to go, I hollered with a loud whoop like I did when that time arrived. Dog one comes right by my side ready to go to the truck. Dog two, no where to be found. I gave it an hour and said forget it.
Laid my heavy canvas coon hunting jacket on the ground where we parked.
Next morning there she laid, asleep right in the middle of it.
The sister to my redbone I talked about above was nothing like her. She was definitely a hot headed redhead. She would listen when she wanted to.
One night we killed coon and it was time to go, I hollered with a loud whoop like I did when that time arrived. Dog one comes right by my side ready to go to the truck. Dog two, no where to be found. I gave it an hour and said forget it.
Laid my heavy canvas coon hunting jacket on the ground where we parked.
Next morning there she laid, asleep right in the middle of it.
We would occasionally leave a dog box or some dog bedding at an intersection of two logging roads near where they were released. The dogs would usually be found there in the morning.
My experience is only with coon hunting and rabbit hunting. I’ve never had a problem rabbit hunting. I’ve only ever had a handful of problems coon hunting. The one disadvantage of that is it takes place at night and most of the time the guy is not happy because the dogs woke up his wife and his wife got upset and told him to do something. From my experience I’ve never known a coon hunter to cut a lock or tear up property intentionally. I’m not saying there’s not bad apples out there because I know they are. I know quite a few people that deer and bear hunt with dogs and those guys are a different breed. They could care less about others property. Deer when chased by dogs usually run a straight line for miles. I’ve had young dogs get on deer tracks and it’s not fun. So I can understand property owners getting upset having a dozen deer dogs running through their property. When I coon hunt it’s only with one dog up to four on a competition hunt but only one dog per person.
We have laid our coats down on the ground before like this. But usually only if we don’t know where the dog is. Most of the time we come back the next morning and they’re laying on the coat
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No telling how many times I've headed into the jocassee gorges after church on Sunday to get a dog who is sleeping peacefully in a coat left by the road the day before. It's amazing how well it works
That is what my grand dad always did with his rabbit dogs. If they ran off the land he had permission to hunt on, he would ride the road and tried to call them, but he never went on others land without permission. But this was back when there where less houses and he knew about all the folks around where he was hunting.
But if a beagle got on a deer scent and not come back, he left his coat where he put the dogs in at. 9 out of 10 times it was there the next day
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I found out Saturday evening who owns the truck and the kid. I looked at a lot of his FB pictures. He seems to love the outdoors. I didn't message him because it was my wife's FB account and Dad wanted me to cool my jets.
But we did set up a 2nd camera yesterday. Dad wants to see if they come back and if they do, we hope get a plate number. If we do, a few phone calls will be made.
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I brought my camera home last weekend because all I was getting was the logging crew and the guys that lease the land to hunt.
Dad goes up there today to get the cards from all his cameras and guess what? Yep. He found the lock cut again.
He's checking the card from the camera we did leave, but I haven't heard anything, yet.
Dad goes up there today to get the cards from all his cameras and guess what? Yep. He found the lock cut again.
He's checking the card from the camera we did leave, but I haven't heard anything, yet.
I have had someone spotlighting on one of my private roads around 10:45pm and again at about 5:30 am on several occasions this fall. The cameras have a hard time getting clear images with the bright lights and moving truck. I hope to find out who it is sometime soon since I moved the cameras to better locations. Deer season is over, but that does not stop maggots who trespass.
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There is logging equipment on the property. The loggers stopped Wednesday, and haven't been back. This guy drove in early, early Thursday morning, with a 275gal container on his truck.
The guy over the logging operation will check tomorrow to see if any fuel or batteries are missing from the equipment.
We’ve always given permission to dog hunters to get their dogs. On foot and unarmed. It’s a dying sport around here and gets a bad rap because of a few pieces of trash. I used to go when I was younger but we either hunted big tracts or on foot with beagles in small places.
I see too many people get so upset about the dogs. I’d never shoot one and can’t imagine having that done to me. Frankly they helped more than hurt many still hunting days for me and the friends I hunted with.
With that said I can’t and won’t excuse the type of trespassing many of you have spoken about on here. Part of me wishes for a minimum land requirement for people who buy their kids four wheelers and dirt bikes. I run them off yearly and am always afraid they’ll run into a tree hole or piece of equipment parked in the field.
I see too many people get so upset about the dogs. I’d never shoot one and can’t imagine having that done to me. Frankly they helped more than hurt many still hunting days for me and the friends I hunted with.
With that said I can’t and won’t excuse the type of trespassing many of you have spoken about on here. Part of me wishes for a minimum land requirement for people who buy their kids four wheelers and dirt bikes. I run them off yearly and am always afraid they’ll run into a tree hole or piece of equipment parked in the field.
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Dislike sure. But they are not in the same category.
I think you are right. I hunted dogs for many years. Never heard of a LEO forcing a landowner to let someone get there dogs. I’ve never once had a landowner deny me going on their property to look for dogs. We didn’t have tracking collars back then. I could see today that helping pinpoint a dog’s location when seeking permission. I do know this for sure in SC unless laws have changed. A landowner can hold the dog’s owner liable for any damage a dog causes to property, crops or livestock. Legally a landowner can not kill or harm a dog just because the dog is on posted land unless the dog poses a threat to humans or livestock. I was personally involved in a case where a bastard shot several dogs just because he was against hunting and delivered the dead dogs to the owner Who was a member of our club. It cost him a bunch of money. With that said it opens a huge door of what constitutes a threat, so according to the magistrate you need proof of a threat. It’s like everything else in this world 95% of the people are respectful of other’s property. It’s the other 5% that make it bad and gives everyone a bad reputation.
You can have the best trained dogs in the world, but when they are chasing game you can not just call the Dogs and make them stop. NO coon, deer or fox hound is going to just stop when on a trail. If you think it’s possible to stop a pack of dogs from chasing game by calling, I’d love to see that.
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I agree with you and if it’s handled right, there is hardly ever a problem. Most landowners I encountered in my dog hunting days were more than happy to assist.
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Work on your skills or get another dog... I know quite a few dog hunters-deer & small game- that have their dogs trained on recall, & they WILL break off.
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Maybe a squirrel or bird dog and obviously you’ve never been on a deer drive or a fox hunt. Might be 20-30 dogs in a pack sometimes more. Dogs could even hear a command much pay it any attention with all that noise. Might be possible with one dog, but once A dog opens up on a trail, all of the dogs close by join in on the chase. Sometimes on a field trail you might have 50 fox hounds on one chase. Couldn’t stop that with a stick of dynamite
I’ve been on hunts where the dogs were miles away. Getting to them to call them off was difficult. Not to mention calling them off was unlikely. I’ve hunted with several different groups and know more people involved in dog hunting and I’ve never heard of them being able to call them back on a hot track. Cut them off maybe but not call them back.
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Its possible to call the dogs back maybe not in all cases but it is possble because I watched it myself when dad had let a guy rabbit hunt his property that joins mine and he was running 12 dogs at the time and the dogs crossed a fenceline onto my property about 100 yds and treed beside my house. I knew they were there and I didnt care and heard the dogs and was going to tell the guys they could come get the rabbit and dogs but I guess the hunters didnt know who I was and started calling them off and they all turned and went back under the fence and back the other direction with minimal effort before i could walk down to the fence. I have been around several others and they dont even bother trying to call them off or keep track of the dogs before they get to far and use the dogs as a excuse to keep looking or exploring and I have no time for that and reason many get a bad name.
Convenient how they knew where that equipment was behind a locked gate. Someone on the crew is involved.
That was going to be my next post. How easy would it be to see where the equipment was? Then again most operations around here you can tell where the trucks have come onto the road.
20 or 30 dogs chasing a fox or deer … hmmm.
No wonder people have disdain for this type of stuff.
No wonder people have disdain for this type of stuff.
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I've had locks cut and $800 gates ripped down by by people that didn't want to have to drag out the deer they poached on our property...... I can't say that I see much difference.
Politician and trespassing poacher that damages property, I can see those in the same category. Trespassing poacher that damages property vs a child molester, you’ve lost your way if you can’t see the difference. Most would risk their lives to protect a child and you’re talking about $800, that’s just messed up. I hope that you were just thinking about politicians.
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I said that to Dad.
The cutting is probably a half mile or better from the highway, but as the trees are cleared, the equipment becomes visible. To @Mack270's point, besides the Anson county concrete being left on the road, it's probably not hard seeing that trailer full of timber leaving every day.
But, for them to temporarily stop cutting on Wednesday, and this guy easing in there in the wee hours on Thursday, especially now that I know the losers haven't been back since?
Yep. Someone is supplementing their wages.
I wasn't.
Child molesters, thieves, and trespassers that feel they can damage other's property are all scum. They all take from others what is not theirs. Piss on em all.
I think a lot of the animosity you're reading stems from the fact that otherwise decent people are absolutely fed up with an ever-decreasing respect for basic law & order, which respect is founded on widespread acceptance of shared values: independence, personal responsibility, the right to personal security, and property rights.
For decades, we've been told that all thieves are at heart, just poor Jean Valjean, stealing a loaf of bread for his starving child! But it is obviously not so.
Societal values have degenerated to the point where it's not just urban ghettos that are home to reprehensible behaviors. These differ from the one-off act of opportunistic greed or desperation. Even in suburban and rural communities, there seems to be an increasing percentage of the population with a nonchalant attitude that whatever they can grab is theirs. That may be deer, fuel, a workman's tools...or it may be a child.
The notion of "this crime worse than that crime" is fading in direct proportion to the abnegation of the so-called "Justice System" to protect public order and mete out fair and just punishments equally under a set of community-backed laws.